From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Tue Jan  3 07:17:07 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 07:17:07 +1100
Subject: [Chat] DKIM signatures
In-Reply-To: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
References: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
Message-ID: <f4ca6a9e7c36898e6e6b446e1b076f91@scriptforge.org>

Hi Russell,

The Admin team just restarted mailman and added the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS 
= Yes line to the config.

As such I've turned off the "Munge From" and "from_as_list" options that 
someone was complaining about. So keep an eye on your list traffic and 
I'll keep an eye on the bounces.

Cheers
ScottB

On 2016-12-26 21:52, Russell Coker wrote:
> This list is breaking DKIM signatures.  This means that people using 
> services
> such as Gmail and Yahoo that DKIM sign messages will find that their 
> mail
> isn't seen by people who's mail servers check DKIM.
> 
> Also the current configuration will result in some people getting their
> membership disabled due to bounces.  As an immediate measure could the 
> list
> admins admins please increase the number of bounces required to 
> unsubscribe
> people so that we don't have people needlessly removed from the list.
> 
> https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM
> https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
> 
> The above wiki pages give a summary of the Mailman/DKIM issues.  The 
> latter of
> the 2 URLs specifically mentions Yahoo (which some members of this list 
> use).
> It also describes how to configure Mailman to solve these problems.
> 
> Could we get the list configured to allow people who use Yahoo etc to 
> get
> their mail before the conference starts?  It's a single configuration 
> option
> that needs to be set.
> 
> 
> Thanks.

-- 
--
Scott Bragg


From abartlet at samba.org  Tue Jan  3 10:57:06 2017
From: abartlet at samba.org (Andrew Bartlett)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 12:57:06 +1300
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
In-Reply-To: <CALGYmuqEtJ4bL+y8R_MFiqqiihQQoP=7oT+5_=GZm=9BMrFAjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKhhfD6QwwA_a-skP=4SJV8v_40r1kwVBdxeRZ5-cR-H6BJg0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1bc15b75fc1759d7792b2f7ff63ff2348388ad88@webmail.tygger.net>
 <CANTA-+CET17c7ujbP4RasArkZ3M2LhUuViWd2ezZGhgPTUi0rA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1483401426.15071.9.camel@samba.org>

On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 13:05 +0000, Clinton Roy via Chat wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 at 22:00 Marc MERLIN via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017
> .linux.org.au> wrote:
> > I will go to Mona while in Hobart, I meant the rest of Tasmania :)
> > 
> 
> Port Arthur, if you're into history at all. It's a wonderful drive
> (OK, motorcycle ride) and you can easily chew up a day getting there,
> wallowing in history, and getting back to Hobart.
> 
> I think you've already got all my other stops from my previous tour
> :)?

I've booked a car Saturday and plan to do that, as I fly out noon
Monday, spending Saturday and Sunday on the Tasman Peninsula / Port
Arthur. ?Geek passengers welcome :-)

Andrew Bartlett


-- 
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Authentication Developer, Samba Team  http://samba.org
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From duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan  3 11:19:17 2017
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au (Duncan Roe)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:19:17 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Transport to Hobart airport
In-Reply-To: <30229d7f-42e9-0463-9866-88f04c8b97cd@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>
References: <30229d7f-42e9-0463-9866-88f04c8b97cd@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <20170103001916.GA28068@dimstar.local.net>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 11:46:35AM +1300, Ewen McNeill wrote:
> Does anyone know if LCA2017 will be providing any transport to/from Hobart
> airport?  Particularly on Saturday 21st January 2017 (ie, after the
> conference)?  (I'm driving, in a rental car, from Launceston, before the
> conference, but will also return that rental car before the conference.)
>
> If not, does anyone have a recommendation for an airport shuttle that would
> pick up from the Wrest Point on Saturday morning?
>
> AFAICT both of:
>
> http://www.airporterhobart.com.au/
> http://www.tasredline.com.au/index.php/airport-shuttles/
>
> are the same thing (eg, link to the same timetable, bus photos look
> remarkably similar), and seem to pick up from the Wrest Point somewhere in
> the middle of their route (although the booking form seems to call it the
> "Hobart Wrest Point Casino" presumably to make it hard to find in the list
> :-( ).
>
> Google also found:
>
> http://hobartairportshuttle.com/
>
> which claims to start at the Sandy Bay Wrest Point Casino (only a slightly
> better name to find) and then tour the city picking people up on the way to
> the airport.  But their website is *terrible*, so I don't consider it a
> credible option.
>
> Are there others, or is it Tas Redline or Tas Redline?
>
> FWIW, I went looking for a conference wiki that might list this information,
> but can't seem to find one this year.  Will there be a conference wiki this
> year?  Alternatively is there a page with transport options on the main
> conference site I missed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ewen

OK I have booked Redline to arrive UniTas 1930 (approx) Sun 15/1 and leave from
there 0755 Sat 21/1.

Am I looking at hoofing it to/from the University Apartments at those times?

Cheers ... Duncan.

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 11:27:03 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:27:03 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Uber in Hobart/Tasmania
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvWnqFwQknyAP-4rsrp34AdJdAyexTzLnvhw3o==F=k5eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG73kvV2bW_RbGMmq9AdB85MNBCt8jHX_kob6cBmUQUde=RPjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWvNFh=G_LqnmcqR5Ls+Yv12Mw=MNa1t0qmKGhfmRPBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG73kvUvKfYW7wFg27H_VtAn4brNEK9yGEv6vGOH_JhmE7uGHw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, we have Uber.
No, there aren't many drivers (someone told me less than two dozen total
but that was a month or so ago).
Yes, it's a very busy time of year.
No, I have no idea either.

Pete.
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Tue Jan  3 11:53:51 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:53:51 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] Sysadmin Miniconf - Monday
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701031348010.18868@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>


A wee reminder that the Sysadmin Miniconf is on on Monday. Schedule is 
here alongside the other Monday Miniconfs:

https://linux.conf.au/schedule/#monday

or you can have a look at the Miniconf's site:

http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/


-- 
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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Tue Jan  3 12:19:06 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 12:19:06 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Transport to Hobart airport
In-Reply-To: <1060086292.540598.1481443420270@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <30229d7f-42e9-0463-9866-88f04c8b97cd@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>
 <CABRwemmpPGDhTV64RiP2W2QOQVECOdnvSSUA79GLJuyHrvJUMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1060086292.540598.1481443420270@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwemkGhkgVyeOSgYfWCX=_gRTG=MMN+4zOq4fZywu5OHmmLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all!

Reviving this thread.

1) Hobart Airport has relatively few flights -- no more than 20
flights arrive per day. Likewise for departures. We've got a page on
the conference wiki where you can list your name and e-mail/twitter
details -- https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/airport_arrivals_and_departures/
-- you can use this to find people who are on your flight.

2) The airporter bus stops at the University on Churchill Avenue.
There is a 600m walk with 40m positive elevation change between the
airporter stop and the colleges. The bus stops at the front door of
Wrest Point though, if you're staying there.

3) Sharing a taxi with three people works out to roughly the same cost
as taking the Airporter bus one-way. Sharing a taxi with 4 people, or
a maxi taxi with up to 10 works out as a substantial discount. Use the
wiki page to find people to share a ride with you!

Here to help!

--Chris

On 11 December 2016 at 19:03, sginnane--- via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Similar issues for those of us domiciled at the Uni. Will a shuttle back to
> Wrest Point be available on Sat morning - or direct to the airport ?.
>
> Shane ...
>
>
> ________________________________
> We're currently not planning to offer transport to/from the airport,
> but that may change in the nearish future.
>
> I've used the Redline shuttle before, it's quite reliable. Concierge
> at Wrest Point may have recommendations, you'll be able to ask them
> when you get there.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Tue Jan  3 12:23:19 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 12:23:19 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Uber in Hobart/Tasmania
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvUvKfYW7wFg27H_VtAn4brNEK9yGEv6vGOH_JhmE7uGHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG73kvV2bW_RbGMmq9AdB85MNBCt8jHX_kob6cBmUQUde=RPjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABRwemmbTV9QYj1qz4xCM_Oq9MjE=K84oQnGwueKQZHvUTprpA@mail.gmail.com>

GoCatch is an alternative that works quite relaibly -- it's an app for
hailing regular or large (van) taxis -- and I've had success with it
most times I've used it in Hobart, except at the airport.

The credit card payment surcharges (5%) are cheaper than Cabcharge's too (11%).

Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gocatchapp.goCatch&hl=en
iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gocatch-taxi-rideshare/id444439909?mt=8


SHAMELESS SHILLING FOLLOWS:

And if you use the referral code BYPLW when you register, you'll get
$15 credit off your first trip (disclosure: I receive a $10 credit
too).

--Chris

On 3 January 2017 at 11:27, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, we have Uber.
> No, there aren't many drivers (someone told me less than two dozen total but
> that was a month or so ago).
> Yes, it's a very busy time of year.
> No, I have no idea either.
>
> Pete.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer

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WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn

From russell at coker.com.au  Tue Jan  3 12:33:01 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 12:33:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] DKIM signatures
In-Reply-To: <f4ca6a9e7c36898e6e6b446e1b076f91@scriptforge.org>
References: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
 <f4ca6a9e7c36898e6e6b446e1b076f91@scriptforge.org>
Message-ID: <1672229.SXUuzgWgbf@russell.coker.com.au>

On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 7:17:07 AM AEDT Scott Bragg wrote:
> The Admin team just restarted mailman and added the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS
> = Yes line to the config.
> 
> As such I've turned off the "Munge From" and "from_as_list" options that
> someone was complaining about. So keep an eye on your list traffic and
> I'll keep an eye on the bounces.

Removing DKIM headers on it's own does nothing for systems that use DMARC etc.  
All it does is permit the previous change (that you have now reverted) to work 
correctly.

Please prioritise allowing mail to/from major providers like Yahoo and Gmail 
to traverse the list over someone complaining.

Also when will the list archives be working?  As long as we have DKIM issues 
we need the archives to allow people to see the mail that they are missing.

Finally did you increase the number of bounces before people get unsubscribed?

> On 2016-12-26 21:52, Russell Coker wrote:
> > This list is breaking DKIM signatures.  This means that people using
> > services
> > such as Gmail and Yahoo that DKIM sign messages will find that their
> > mail
> > isn't seen by people who's mail servers check DKIM.
> > 
> > Also the current configuration will result in some people getting their
> > membership disabled due to bounces.  As an immediate measure could the
> > list
> > admins admins please increase the number of bounces required to
> > unsubscribe
> > people so that we don't have people needlessly removed from the list.
> > 
> > https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM
> > https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
> > 
> > The above wiki pages give a summary of the Mailman/DKIM issues.  The
> > latter of
> > the 2 URLs specifically mentions Yahoo (which some members of this list
> > use).
> > It also describes how to configure Mailman to solve these problems.
> > 
> > Could we get the list configured to allow people who use Yahoo etc to
> > get
> > their mail before the conference starts?  It's a single configuration
> > option
> > that needs to be set.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks.


-- 
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My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/


From relwalretep at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 13:01:27 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:01:27 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Uber in Hobart/Tasmania
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemmbTV9QYj1qz4xCM_Oq9MjE=K84oQnGwueKQZHvUTprpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG73kvV2bW_RbGMmq9AdB85MNBCt8jHX_kob6cBmUQUde=RPjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG73kvXqgz3hS7ja5vaM5JcYgc+KhEexW2MZQDBhQg8CkEHFWw@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 Jan. 2017 12:32, "Christopher Neugebauer" <chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com>
wrote:
...

The credit card payment surcharges (5%) are cheaper than Cabcharge's too
(11%).


Good point, Chris. I feel personally that Cabcharge is at the opposite end
of what Open Source and Freedom are about and so I believe should be
avoided whenever possible.

P.
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Tue Jan  3 13:19:49 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:19:49 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] DKIM signatures
In-Reply-To: <1672229.SXUuzgWgbf@russell.coker.com.au>
References: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
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 <1672229.SXUuzgWgbf@russell.coker.com.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701031515380.18868@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 7:17:07 AM AEDT Scott Bragg wrote:
>> The Admin team just restarted mailman and added the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS
>> = Yes line to the config.
>>
>> As such I've turned off the "Munge From" and "from_as_list" options that
>> someone was complaining about. So keep an eye on your list traffic and
>> I'll keep an eye on the bounces.
>
> Removing DKIM headers on it's own does nothing for systems that use DMARC etc.
> All it does is permit the previous change (that you have now reverted) to work
> correctly.

On another list (full of email admins) I followed advice on the following 
page:

https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC

Which was to only turn on "Munge From" for "dmarc_moderation_action" 
rather than everybody.

This seems to work okay and means (a) everybody gets email and (b) only 
people with DMARC get their from address changed.

Simon.

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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Tue Jan  3 13:23:49 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:23:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Uber in Hobart/Tasmania
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemmbTV9QYj1qz4xCM_Oq9MjE=K84oQnGwueKQZHvUTprpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG73kvV2bW_RbGMmq9AdB85MNBCt8jHX_kob6cBmUQUde=RPjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALn+=Jr4yHmL6ep8=N77bFU2yzHgpfrWNauB=DKz-zXcTsWG8w@mail.gmail.com>

On 3 January 2017 at 12:23, Christopher Neugebauer
<chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com> wrote:
> GoCatch is an alternative that works quite relaibly -- it's an app for
> hailing regular or large (van) taxis -- and I've had success with it
> most times I've used it in Hobart, except at the airport.
>
> The credit card payment surcharges (5%) are cheaper than Cabcharge's too (11%).

Also, if you fly QF, 1 pt per $ through linking your account in the app.

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From sginnane at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jan  3 13:42:57 2017
From: sginnane at yahoo.com.au (sginnane at yahoo.com.au)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 02:42:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Chat] Transport to Hobart airport
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemkGhkgVyeOSgYfWCX=_gRTG=MMN+4zOq4fZywu5OHmmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30229d7f-42e9-0463-9866-88f04c8b97cd@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>
 <CABRwemmpPGDhTV64RiP2W2QOQVECOdnvSSUA79GLJuyHrvJUMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1060086292.540598.1481443420270@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CABRwemkGhkgVyeOSgYfWCX=_gRTG=MMN+4zOq4fZywu5OHmmLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <114853952.5059102.1483411377972@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Chris - especially for the Airporter. If nothing else pops up, that'll do me.
Shane ...



   
 
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Tue Jan  3 14:09:28 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:09:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
Message-ID: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>

Hi folks,

On Wednesday 18/1/2017, I'll be running a workshop on home automation:
https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/16/


The workshop will walk you through the basics of prototyping
electronics, scripting with Lua and communicating with MQTT.

You will need to bring a laptop, and you must have all the
prerequisites installed and ready to go (we have a lot of ground to
cover, but if you get stuck, you can chase me up on Monday/Tuesday for
assistance).

The prerequisites and workshop materials are available here:
https://infernoembedded.com/intro-iot-using-esp8266-mqtt-nodered


If you would like to participate, please let me know so that I have an
idea of how much hardware I need to bring.

The workshop kits costs $40 each, and additional ESP8266 modules are $5
each.

The kits include a breadboard, ESP8266 module, cables, and a whole pile
of sensors. Additional ESP8266 modules are available for $5 each.

Payment should be made on the day, please bring exact change :)



Background:
This workshop was originally developed for IBM's EXITE Camp, a program
aimed at high school girls to encourage career paths in STEM. The
workshop itself is open source, and I would love it if teachers were
able to make use of in class. If you would like to contribute, the most
pressing issues are: neat wiring diagrams, OSX prerequisites and
additional exercises to introduce other sensors.


-- 
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Tue Jan  3 15:16:02 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:16:02 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <1483416962.5578.6.camel@d-silva.org>

On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 14:09 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> 
If you would like to participate, please let me know so that I have an
> idea of how much hardware I need to bring.
> 
> The workshop kits costs $40 each, and additional ESP8266 modules are $5
> each.
> 
> The kits include a breadboard, ESP8266 module, cables, and a whole pile
> of sensors. Additional ESP8266 modules are available for $5 each.
> 
> Payment should be made on the day, please bring exact change :)
> 


To save me from a deluge of mail, could you please add yourself here?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZVGfZ2Iz3Kyfl8Ruylc1ulGq_0w4_J0
T0G3Tl1Eb1JA/edit?usp=sharing

(If you've already reached out to me, I've added you already)

-- 
Alastair D'Silva ? ? ? ? ? mob: 0423 762 819
skype: alastair_dsilva ? ?
Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org

From alastair at d-silva.org  Tue Jan  3 15:23:37 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:23:37 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1483416962.5578.6.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1483416962.5578.6.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <1483417417.5578.7.camel@d-silva.org>

On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 15:16 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 14:09 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > 
> 
> If you would like to participate, please let me know so that I have
> an
> > idea of how much hardware I need to bring.
> > 
> > The workshop kits costs $40 each, and additional ESP8266 modules
> > are $5
> > each.
> > 
> > The kits include a breadboard, ESP8266 module, cables, and a whole
> > pile
> > of sensors. Additional ESP8266 modules are available for $5 each.
> > 
> > Payment should be made on the day, please bring exact change :)
> > 
> 
> 
> To save me from a deluge of mail, could you please add yourself here?
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZVGfZ2Iz3Kyfl8Ruylc1ulGq_0w4_
> J0
> T0G3Tl1Eb1JA/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> (If you've already reached out to me, I've added you already)
> 

Well, that was a bit horrible, here's a shortened form:
http://bit.ly/2hMggol


-- 
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skype: alastair_dsilva ? ?
Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org


From mike.carden at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 15:58:51 2017
From: mike.carden at gmail.com (Mike Carden)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:58:51 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <CAJ+Dxup=kXALh4F=1HDL2fcc4yiwDPO5TYx=r-UB_-34EVn5vQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had the good fortune to see Alastair present on this last month at
BonkersCon and I bought one of the kits. I just want to point out for
anyone with even a passing interest in hardware, buy one of the kits. They
are more than worth it for the crazy bundle of sensors and actuators that
are included. Just buy one. You won't be disappointed.

-- 
MC
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Tue Jan  3 16:36:31 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 16:36:31 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1483417417.5578.7.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1483416962.5578.6.camel@d-silva.org> <1483417417.5578.7.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <1483421791.13607.5.camel@d-silva.org>

On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 15:23 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 15:16 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 14:09 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> > If you would like to participate, please let me know so that I have
> > an
> > > idea of how much hardware I need to bring.
> > > 
> > > The workshop kits costs $40 each, and additional ESP8266 modules
> > > are $5
> > > each.
> > > 
> > > The kits include a breadboard, ESP8266 module, cables, and a
> > > whole
> > > pile
> > > of sensors. Additional ESP8266 modules are available for $5 each.
> > > 
> > > Payment should be made on the day, please bring exact change :)
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > To save me from a deluge of mail, could you please add yourself
> > here?
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZVGfZ2Iz3Kyfl8Ruylc1ulGq_0w
> > 4_
> > J0
> > T0G3Tl1Eb1JA/edit?usp=sharing
> > 
> > (If you've already reached out to me, I've added you already)
> > 
> 
> Well, that was a bit horrible, here's a shortened form:
> http://bit.ly/2hMggol
> 
> 
> 

Another mistake, the additional modules are $8 each, not $5 - sorry
about that *sigh*

-- 
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skype: alastair_dsilva ? ?
Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org

From russell at coker.com.au  Tue Jan  3 16:37:20 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 16:37:20 +1100
Subject: [Chat] DKIM signatures
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701031515380.18868@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>
References: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
 <1672229.SXUuzgWgbf@russell.coker.com.au>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701031515380.18868@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <1810777.iWal4lTax7@russell.coker.com.au>

On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 3:19:49 PM AEDT Simon Lyall wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 7:17:07 AM AEDT Scott Bragg wrote:
> >> The Admin team just restarted mailman and added the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS
> >> = Yes line to the config.
> >> 
> >> As such I've turned off the "Munge From" and "from_as_list" options that
> >> someone was complaining about. So keep an eye on your list traffic and
> >> I'll keep an eye on the bounces.
> > 
> > Removing DKIM headers on it's own does nothing for systems that use DMARC
> > etc. All it does is permit the previous change (that you have now
> > reverted) to work correctly.
> 
> On another list (full of email admins) I followed advice on the following
> page:
> 
> https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
> 
> Which was to only turn on "Munge From" for "dmarc_moderation_action"
> rather than everybody.

Which means we have different types of messages going through the list.  The 
only complaints about from_as_list were regarding the Reply-To header and I 
don't think that having such changes on half the messages is an improvement.  
It's Solomon's option of cutting the baby in half.

> This seems to work okay and means (a) everybody gets email and (b) only
> people with DMARC get their from address changed.

If that does exactly what it's advertised as doing then it breaks mail for 
senders using ADSP and SPF but without DMARC.

-- 
My Main Blog         http://etbe.coker.com.au/
My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/


From jessica at itgrrl.com  Tue Jan  3 18:45:41 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 07:45:41 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Uber in Hobart/Tasmania
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvXqgz3hS7ja5vaM5JcYgc+KhEexW2MZQDBhQg8CkEHFWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG73kvV2bW_RbGMmq9AdB85MNBCt8jHX_kob6cBmUQUde=RPjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWvNFh=G_LqnmcqR5Ls+Yv12Mw=MNa1t0qmKGhfmRPBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvV9Dr7O7quH=+FKcTQEuqhs3sggcqNLg6=9EQ71==LorQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWnqFwQknyAP-4rsrp34AdJdAyexTzLnvhw3o==F=k5eg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvUvKfYW7wFg27H_VtAn4brNEK9yGEv6vGOH_JhmE7uGHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRwemmbTV9QYj1qz4xCM_Oq9MjE=K84oQnGwueKQZHvUTprpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvXqgz3hS7ja5vaM5JcYgc+KhEexW2MZQDBhQg8CkEHFWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZVvzLbR15KOxmdX=X86H2cyUFJJf+8capqedfbmM1F6MA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 at 13:02, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:

I feel personally that Cabcharge is at the opposite end of what Open Source
> and Freedom are about
>

As opposed to Uber??   :-)


Cheers,

Jessica
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 20:17:59 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 20:17:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Uber in Hobart/Tasmania
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZVvzLbR15KOxmdX=X86H2cyUFJJf+8capqedfbmM1F6MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG73kvV2bW_RbGMmq9AdB85MNBCt8jHX_kob6cBmUQUde=RPjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWvNFh=G_LqnmcqR5Ls+Yv12Mw=MNa1t0qmKGhfmRPBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvV9Dr7O7quH=+FKcTQEuqhs3sggcqNLg6=9EQ71==LorQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CABRwemmbTV9QYj1qz4xCM_Oq9MjE=K84oQnGwueKQZHvUTprpA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG73kvUJAg4xsNq+a0xnzm=DStqg2b67GNGeXk7-CBYC-NQjnw@mail.gmail.com>

Touch?

On 3 Jan. 2017 18:46, "Jessica Smith" <jessica at itgrrl.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 at 13:02, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I feel personally that Cabcharge is at the opposite end of what Open
>> Source and Freedom are about
>>
>
> As opposed to Uber??   :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From russell at coker.com.au  Tue Jan  3 23:04:21 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 23:04:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] DKIM signatures
In-Reply-To: <f4ca6a9e7c36898e6e6b446e1b076f91@scriptforge.org>
References: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
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Message-ID: <4364799.6eVoJ5EZ9K@russell.coker.com.au>

On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 7:17:07 AM AEDT Scott Bragg wrote:
> The Admin team just restarted mailman and added the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS 
> = Yes line to the config.
> 
> As such I've turned off the "Munge From" and "from_as_list" options that 
> someone was complaining about. So keep an eye on your list traffic and 
> I'll keep an eye on the bounces.

Your message was sent at 7AM this morning, here are some of my logs from 11AM:

Jan  3 11:17:20 smtp postfix/smtpd[10399]: 9C35AEC65: 
client=mailhost.linux.org.au[192.55.98.181]
Jan  3 11:17:20 smtp postfix/cleanup[10416]: 9C35AEC65: message-
id=<1483401426.15071.9.camel at samba.org>
Jan  3 11:17:23 smtp opendkim[707]: 9C35AEC65: s=42627210 d=samba.org SSL
Jan  3 11:17:23 smtp opendkim[707]: 9C35AEC65: bad signature data
Jan  3 11:17:23 smtp postfix/cleanup[10416]: 9C35AEC65: milter-reject: END-OF-
MESSAGE from mailhost.linux.org.au[192.55.98.181]: 5.7.0 bad DKIM signature 
data; from=<chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> to=<russell at coker.com.au> 
proto=ESMTP helo=<mailhost.linux.org.au>

It looks like the admin team didn't succeed in making mailman remove DKIM 
headers, either that or opendkim is logging a DMARC failure as a bad 
signature.

>From reviewing my logs it appears that I was the only person sending mail to 
the list recently who had ADSP enabled but not DMARC.  I did that because in 
the past using DMARC caused people to get unsubscribed from the linux-aus list 
(some receivers check DMARC not ADSP).  I've enabled DMARC which will help 
mail get through this list if Simon's suggestion is followed, but might cause 
problems for other people if there's a discussion on linux-aus that interests 
me.

As an aside, if you were going to choose a list server configuration for Linux 
in Australia that happened to cause mail from one domain to be rejected then 
surely samba.org wouldn't be the one you would want to reject.

-- 
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My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/


From linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx  Tue Jan  3 23:39:40 2017
From: linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx (Stephen Edmonds)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 23:39:40 +1100
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
In-Reply-To: <1483401426.15071.9.camel@samba.org>
References: <CAKhhfD6QwwA_a-skP=4SJV8v_40r1kwVBdxeRZ5-cR-H6BJg0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAECH6uPvnkk-W4hvN5V=W2_OCiFQrJW4G7fPQtO3fQ9t3rDv4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have a friend meeting me on the Saturday and we are then heading up the
east coast. While doing my research I was really impressed by the
information the Tas Government has made available. One source being the
Parks & Wildlife Service, in particular their list of short walks:
http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/index.aspx?base=1315

But the thing that I liked most (and have spend hours scouring) are the
maps: http://maps.thelist.tas.gov.au/listmap/app/list/map

The topographic maps are excellent, but don't neglect the scanned maps
(because they might emphasise different things) and the aerial photos, both
sourced from Google Maps and ones taken by the state...

I may have collected a few points of interest:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1iRNCAZf1RStFENYGPLNwEvVklFg

On 3 January 2017 at 10:57, Andrew Bartlett <abartlet at samba.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 13:05 +0000, Clinton Roy via Chat wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 at 22:00 Marc MERLIN via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017
> > .linux.org.au> wrote:
> > > I will go to Mona while in Hobart, I meant the rest of Tasmania :)
> > >
> >
> > Port Arthur, if you're into history at all. It's a wonderful drive
> > (OK, motorcycle ride) and you can easily chew up a day getting there,
> > wallowing in history, and getting back to Hobart.
> >
> > I think you've already got all my other stops from my previous tour
> > :)
>
> I've booked a car Saturday and plan to do that, as I fly out noon
> Monday, spending Saturday and Sunday on the Tasman Peninsula / Port
> Arthur.  Geek passengers welcome :-)
>
> Andrew Bartlett
>
>
> --
> Andrew Bartlett                       http://samba.org/~abartlet/
> Authentication Developer, Samba Team  http://samba.org
> Samba Developer, Catalyst IT          http://catalyst.net.nz/
> services/samba
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From russell at coker.com.au  Wed Jan  4 00:15:52 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 00:15:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] DKIM signatures
In-Reply-To: <4364799.6eVoJ5EZ9K@russell.coker.com.au>
References: <4649776.suM7s5FqE3@russell.coker.com.au>
 <f4ca6a9e7c36898e6e6b446e1b076f91@scriptforge.org>
 <4364799.6eVoJ5EZ9K@russell.coker.com.au>
Message-ID: <14986062.Fah5DkKRBk@russell.coker.com.au>

On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 11:04:21 PM AEDT Russell Coker via Chat wrote:
> Jan  3 11:17:20 smtp postfix/smtpd[10399]: 9C35AEC65: 
> client=mailhost.linux.org.au[192.55.98.181]
> Jan  3 11:17:20 smtp postfix/cleanup[10416]: 9C35AEC65: message-
> id=<1483401426.15071.9.camel at samba.org>
> Jan  3 11:17:23 smtp opendkim[707]: 9C35AEC65: s=42627210 d=samba.org SSL
> Jan  3 11:17:23 smtp opendkim[707]: 9C35AEC65: bad signature data
> Jan  3 11:17:23 smtp postfix/cleanup[10416]: 9C35AEC65: milter-reject:
> END-OF- MESSAGE from mailhost.linux.org.au[192.55.98.181]: 5.7.0 bad DKIM
> signature data; from=<chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> to=<russell at coker.com.au> proto=ESMTP helo=<mailhost.linux.org.au>
> 
> It looks like the admin team didn't succeed in making mailman remove DKIM 
> headers, either that or opendkim is logging a DMARC failure as a bad 
> signature.
> 
> From reviewing my logs it appears that I was the only person sending mail
> to  the list recently who had ADSP enabled but not DMARC.  I did that
> because in the past using DMARC caused people to get unsubscribed from the
> linux-aus list (some receivers check DMARC not ADSP).  I've enabled DMARC
> which will help mail get through this list if Simon's suggestion is
> followed, but might cause problems for other people if there's a discussion
> on linux-aus that interests me.

https://dmarc.org/

I have finally received a message I wrote back from the list server.  So 
things are working OK as long as everyone who uses DKIM also uses DMARC.  If 
you use this list and have DKIM enabled without DMARC then you need to visit 
the above page ASAP.

-- 
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From sellis at redhat.com  Wed Jan  4 11:56:41 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:56:41 +1300
Subject: [Chat] LCA 2015 Auckland Content
Message-ID: <CABLbxQ1uAhMjgp+KKKEK3+2RTpHBWwPQXBSA32oR7_FGyra0-w@mail.gmail.com>

We're trying to get a static read-only copy of the 2015 site online.
Meanwhile if anyone is after copies of previous talks from 2015 please give
me a nudge.

-- 
Steven Ellis
Solution Architect - Red Hat New Zealand <http://www.redhat.co.nz/>
*E:* sellis at redhat.com
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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Thu Jan  5 07:43:31 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 07:43:31 +1100
Subject: [Chat] complete printable schedule
Message-ID: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>

Hi,
Is there a copy of the schedule with all 5 days that can be printed or
does it need to be done day by day? if the latter, is there a way to
print without all the header/footer cruft?

Thanks,
kk

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From davidgo at ipayroll.co.nz  Thu Jan  5 09:05:24 2017
From: davidgo at ipayroll.co.nz (David Go)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:05:24 +1200
Subject: [Chat] complete printable schedule
In-Reply-To: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
References: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
Message-ID: <20170104220236.M69181@ipayroll.co.nz>

What I did is not great, but works well enough for my planning purposes.  I
simply copy and pasted each days events into a separate worksheet in Gnumeric
and told it to print each worksheet.

Attached is my very crude effort if anyone cares or wants to improve on it.

Cheers,
David Go

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 07:43:31 +1100, Karl Goetz wrote
> Hi,
> Is there a copy of the schedule with all 5 days that can be printed 
> or does it need to be done day by day? if the latter, is there a way 
> to print without all the header/footer cruft?
> 
> Thanks,
> kk


-----------
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Infrastructure Engineer
iPayroll Ltd

Phone  +64 9 377 1517 ext 7930
Mobile +64 21 889 809
Fax    +64 9 377 1529
____________________________________________________________________

Main Phone +64 9 377 1517   Fax +64 9 377 1529   Website  www.ipayroll.co.nz
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From sellis at redhat.com  Thu Jan  5 09:06:22 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:06:22 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Conference Attendee Wiki is up
In-Reply-To: <97eaba37666c62c66227e8890a3e46de@scriptforge.org>
References: <97eaba37666c62c66227e8890a3e46de@scriptforge.org>
Message-ID: <CABLbxQ2C9OsGudnBq4-z31iF+dwfMtWX5WFr7mRfe=N=dEdkvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Could I suggest that there is a link to the Wiki from one of the main menus
as it doesn't have a lot of visibility at this stage.

Steven

On 20 December 2016 at 21:30, Scott Bragg <jsbragg at scriptforge.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We've just opened up the attendee wiki and you can find it at
>
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki
>
> Some pages are still a little bare as we nail down some final details.
>
>
> --
> --
> Scott Bragg
>
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> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Thu Jan  5 09:45:49 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 09:45:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] complete printable schedule
In-Reply-To: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
References: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
Message-ID: <7ff5964d1ad93fab7fb2d6c0bd77a624@scriptforge.org>

I'll look at adding a bit of CSS for this feature soon.

This can be done by changing the panel--tab-content css class from 
display: none; to display: block; Which you can do yourself by 
right-clicking around the schedule and use Inspect element.


On 2017-01-05 07:43, Karl Goetz wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a copy of the schedule with all 5 days that can be printed or
> does it need to be done day by day? if the latter, is there a way to
> print without all the header/footer cruft?
> 
> Thanks,
> kk
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

-- 
--
Scott Bragg


From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Thu Jan  5 10:03:52 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:03:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] complete printable schedule
In-Reply-To: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
References: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
Message-ID: <CABRwemkqVgL7RLY+c_Y=uiYmqscocpHaNb05tKzpPLBTnoYJxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Karl,

https://linux.conf.au/schedule/general-sessions/
and https://linux.conf.au/schedule/miniconfs/

are the pages that you want.

On 5 January 2017 at 07:43, Karl Goetz <karl at kgoetz.id.au> wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a copy of the schedule with all 5 days that can be printed or
> does it need to be done day by day? if the latter, is there a way to
> print without all the header/footer cruft?
>
> Thanks,
> kk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Thu Jan  5 20:28:58 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:28:58 +1100
Subject: [Chat] complete printable schedule
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemkqVgL7RLY+c_Y=uiYmqscocpHaNb05tKzpPLBTnoYJxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aae2d4a9-7b96-55f9-8bef-386b93c87704@kgoetz.id.au>
 <CABRwemkqVgL7RLY+c_Y=uiYmqscocpHaNb05tKzpPLBTnoYJxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe18c0b3-8fff-db68-473b-1271b2d01765@kgoetz.id.au>

On 5/1/17 10:03, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
> Hi Karl,
> 
> https://linux.conf.au/schedule/general-sessions/
> and https://linux.conf.au/schedule/miniconfs/
> 
> are the pages that you want.
> 
> On 5 January 2017 at 07:43, Karl Goetz <karl at kgoetz.id.au> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is there a copy of the schedule with all 5 days that can be printed or
>> does it need to be done day by day? if the latter, is there a way to
>> print without all the header/footer cruft?
>>

Thanks Chris, Scott and David for the suggestions.

The combined pages are definitely going to be helpful and I'll have a go
at the css trick too.

thanks all!
kk

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From greg at q10stats.com  Thu Jan  5 20:41:23 2017
From: greg at q10stats.com (Greg Kopff)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:41:23 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
Message-ID: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>

Is there a mobile app this year?

?
Greg

From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Fri Jan  6 04:01:11 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 09:01:11 -0800
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
Message-ID: <448218FA-57B6-4AD7-948E-9609ECC1FA3A@vmbrasseur.com>

It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!). Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery Knit-Along during it/LCA?

http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal

I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer pressure?

--V

[0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/wool_bof/

From allman at google.com  Fri Jan  6 06:24:34 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:24:34 -0800
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
In-Reply-To: <448218FA-57B6-4AD7-948E-9609ECC1FA3A@vmbrasseur.com>
References: <448218FA-57B6-4AD7-948E-9609ECC1FA3A@vmbrasseur.com>
Message-ID: <CACDwxg0Z77sfMBNhKNuBf5A2vr3x43CGarw+6Q9oD7qPFUdP9Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local yarn
store?  :-)

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
wrote:

> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!).
> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery Knit-Along
> during it/LCA?
>
> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-
> 2017---heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
>
> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next project
> I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer pressure?
>
> --V
>
> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
> sessions/wool_bof/
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 

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allman at google.com
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Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

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From michael at cassaniti.id.au  Fri Jan  6 08:25:17 2017
From: michael at cassaniti.id.au (Michael Cassaniti)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 08:25:17 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Newcomer's venue, early check-in and Sunday transport
Message-ID: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>

Hi,

Can someone at least point me in the right direction. I'll be attending
the Newcomer's welcoming session at 16:00 on Sunday 15th, and I might as
well collect my badge (programme says from 14:00). The venue for both
early badge collection and the Newcomer's welcoming session are to be
confirmed. I wanted to know if transport would be possible from the Uni
to the venue for Sunday, and if the venue is yet confirmed?

Regards,
Michael Cassaniti


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From kris.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 09:58:56 2017
From: kris.howard at gmail.com (Kristine Howard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:58:56 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg0Z77sfMBNhKNuBf5A2vr3x43CGarw+6Q9oD7qPFUdP9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <448218FA-57B6-4AD7-948E-9609ECC1FA3A@vmbrasseur.com>
 <CACDwxg0Z77sfMBNhKNuBf5A2vr3x43CGarw+6Q9oD7qPFUdP9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFbzcQ7KVaoJvqcXEMPZEUa3_zTYrfZfii5CeFjPo1CnBjoknA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be bringing along my own project for the BoF. Just frogged it and
started over, so I need to focus on that for a while. Happy to do any yarn
store excursions too...

And incidentally, if people haven't realised yet, there are TWO
knitting-related talks at LCA this year. I'm doing one as part of WOOTConf
on Monday (https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/120/), and then Nat
Dudley's doing one at the main conf on Wednesday (
https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/80/).

I for one totally plan on knitting throughout Nat's talk! :)

K

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local yarn
> store?  :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!).
>> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery Knit-Along
>> during it/LCA?
>>
>> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---
>> heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
>>
>> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next
>> project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer pressure?
>>
>> --V
>>
>> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
>> sions/wool_bof/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Fri Jan  6 10:24:11 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:24:11 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Newcomer's venue, early check-in and Sunday transport
In-Reply-To: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>
References: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>
Message-ID: <CABRwemnwcPN91_B4bLJvL_c4GyxRb68_EJAKvy-byQOg-oKHAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

We haven't confirmed the specifics of everything we'll be doing on
Sunday just yet, but:

- Badge collection will be in the Exhibition Foyer at Wrest Point.
- The Newcomers' Session will be in one of the conference rooms
attached to the Exhibition Foyer
- We are currently confirming whether we can run buses between the Uni
and Wrest Point on the Sunday [0].

We'll have everything confirmed and sent out in e-mails early next week.

--Chris

[0] The walk *down* the hill from the uni to Wrest Point is actually
quite picturesque and enjoyable, and it'd be a shame to miss out on
doing it at least once :)

On 6 January 2017 at 08:25, Michael Cassaniti <michael at cassaniti.id.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone at least point me in the right direction. I'll be attending
> the Newcomer's welcoming session at 16:00 on Sunday 15th, and I might as
> well collect my badge (programme says from 14:00). The venue for both
> early badge collection and the Newcomer's welcoming session are to be
> confirmed. I wanted to know if transport would be possible from the Uni
> to the venue for Sunday, and if the venue is yet confirmed?
>
> Regards,
> Michael Cassaniti
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 
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Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --
WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn

From willy6545 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 11:07:02 2017
From: willy6545 at gmail.com (Matthew Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:07:02 -0500
Subject: [Chat] Newcomer's venue, early check-in and Sunday transport
In-Reply-To: <CAFhKne9SC5DOSrnSKwi3EdPwLPQvrup2cs6+jt2w+Z9RPx4JaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>
 <CABRwemnwcPN91_B4bLJvL_c4GyxRb68_EJAKvy-byQOg-oKHAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFhKne9SC5DOSrnSKwi3EdPwLPQvrup2cs6+jt2w+Z9RPx4JaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFhKne-+8nfZxAPct-25kr2=T9D_sivUqoG2f1oq94zutWPeDw@mail.gmail.com>

On the subject of early check-in, you say when it'll start on
https://linux.conf.au/programme/ but not when it'll finish on Sunday ;-)

On Jan 6, 2017 10:48, "Christopher Neugebauer" <chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com>
wrote:

Hi Michael,

We haven't confirmed the specifics of everything we'll be doing on
Sunday just yet, but:

- Badge collection will be in the Exhibition Foyer at Wrest Point.
- The Newcomers' Session will be in one of the conference rooms
attached to the Exhibition Foyer
- We are currently confirming whether we can run buses between the Uni
and Wrest Point on the Sunday [0].

We'll have everything confirmed and sent out in e-mails early next week.

--Chris

[0] The walk *down* the hill from the uni to Wrest Point is actually
quite picturesque and enjoyable, and it'd be a shame to miss out on
doing it at least once :)

On 6 January 2017 at 08:25, Michael Cassaniti <michael at cassaniti.id.au>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone at least point me in the right direction. I'll be attending
> the Newcomer's welcoming session at 16:00 on Sunday 15th, and I might as
> well collect my badge (programme says from 14:00). The venue for both
> early badge collection and the Newcomer's welcoming session are to be
> confirmed. I wanted to know if transport would be possible from the Uni
> to the venue for Sunday, and if the venue is yet confirmed?
>
> Regards,
> Michael Cassaniti
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Fri Jan  6 11:08:14 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:08:14 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Newcomer's venue, early check-in and Sunday transport
In-Reply-To: <CAFhKne-+8nfZxAPct-25kr2=T9D_sivUqoG2f1oq94zutWPeDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>
 <CABRwemnwcPN91_B4bLJvL_c4GyxRb68_EJAKvy-byQOg-oKHAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFhKne9SC5DOSrnSKwi3EdPwLPQvrup2cs6+jt2w+Z9RPx4JaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFhKne-+8nfZxAPct-25kr2=T9D_sivUqoG2f1oq94zutWPeDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwem=BTuT0k2GqXYLq+jahD2+o6h1REwroZXwtEc-m8T-QTw@mail.gmail.com>

On 6 January 2017 at 11:07, Matthew Wilcox <willy6545 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the subject of early check-in, you say when it'll start on
> https://linux.conf.au/programme/ but not when it'll finish on Sunday ;-)

Thanks, Matthew. We'll confirm how long we're able to keep the desk
open for, and update the website in due course.

--Chris

-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer

Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --
WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn

From kris.howard at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 12:59:05 2017
From: kris.howard at gmail.com (Kristine Howard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 12:59:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
In-Reply-To: <CAFbzcQ7KVaoJvqcXEMPZEUa3_zTYrfZfii5CeFjPo1CnBjoknA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <448218FA-57B6-4AD7-948E-9609ECC1FA3A@vmbrasseur.com>
 <CACDwxg0Z77sfMBNhKNuBf5A2vr3x43CGarw+6Q9oD7qPFUdP9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFbzcQ7KVaoJvqcXEMPZEUa3_zTYrfZfii5CeFjPo1CnBjoknA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFbzcQ5FYVkM7DLa60D_C7QkxfzRWnEP+wbm_EwFwJ4JjE7XGw@mail.gmail.com>

Also - I just started a thread about this on Ravelry. Comment there so I
can friend you!

http://www.ravelry.com/discuss/australian-knitters/topics/3557155

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Kristine Howard <kris.howard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll be bringing along my own project for the BoF. Just frogged it and
> started over, so I need to focus on that for a while. Happy to do any yarn
> store excursions too...
>
> And incidentally, if people haven't realised yet, there are TWO
> knitting-related talks at LCA this year. I'm doing one as part of WOOTConf
> on Monday (https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/120/), and then
> Nat Dudley's doing one at the main conf on Wednesday (
> https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/80/).
>
> I for one totally plan on knitting throughout Nat's talk! :)
>
> K
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local yarn
>> store?  :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!).
>>> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery Knit-Along
>>> during it/LCA?
>>>
>>> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---he
>>> roes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
>>>
>>> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next
>>> project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer pressure?
>>>
>>> --V
>>>
>>> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
>>> sions/wool_bof/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cat Allman
>>
>> allman at google.com
>> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
>> Mountain View, CA USA
>> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>>
>> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
>> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>>
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From linuxconf at my.host.net.nz  Fri Jan  6 13:09:14 2017
From: linuxconf at my.host.net.nz (linuxconf at my.host.net.nz)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:09:14 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Appropriate contact information on Wiki
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemnwcPN91_B4bLJvL_c4GyxRb68_EJAKvy-byQOg-oKHAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>
 <CABRwemnwcPN91_B4bLJvL_c4GyxRb68_EJAKvy-byQOg-oKHAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92004a96a9b11e969f2fdfa5d54d4bec@my.host.net.nz>

Hi All,

Looking at the Hobart Arrivals/Departures page in particular ( but also 
the Wiki in general ) -

As someone who really does not want to get involved with twitter (I 
assume the "@" symbol implies Twitter), is it appropriate to leave email 
and/or cellphone numbers as contact details ? I fully realise the spam 
risks of an email address - so I would use an account only for 
LinuxConf2017 purposes.

Thanks,
David


>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>> 

From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Fri Jan  6 14:20:03 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:20:03 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Appropriate contact information on Wiki
In-Reply-To: <92004a96a9b11e969f2fdfa5d54d4bec@my.host.net.nz>
References: <d2bca4cc-327d-b392-deb6-f676abd643de@cassaniti.id.au>
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On 6 January 2017 at 13:09,  <linuxconf at my.host.net.nz> wrote:
> As someone who really does not want to get involved with twitter (I assume
> the "@" symbol implies Twitter), is it appropriate to leave email and/or
> cellphone numbers as contact details ? I fully realise the spam risks of an
> email address - so I would use an account only for LinuxConf2017 purposes.

I think if you're happy to put that info up no-one will particularly object.

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From jillr at speleonics.com.au  Fri Jan  6 19:36:04 2017
From: jillr at speleonics.com.au (Jill Rowling)
Date: Fri,  6 Jan 2017 19:36:04 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
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I'll be bringing along my project, too.

Also some Marlyn Alpaca yarn if anyone wants to see it.

- Jill Rowling

Quoting Kristine Howard <kris.howard at gmail.com>:

> I'll be bringing along my own project for the BoF. Just frogged it and
> started over, so I need to focus on that for a while. Happy to do any yarn
> store excursions too...
> 
> And incidentally, if people haven't realised yet, there are TWO
> knitting-related talks at LCA this year. I'm doing one as part of WOOTConf
> on Monday (https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/120/), and then Nat
> Dudley's doing one at the main conf on Wednesday (
> https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/80/).
> 
> I for one totally plan on knitting throughout Nat's talk! :)
> 
> K
> 
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local yarn
> > store?  :-)
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!).
> >> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery
> Knit-Along
> >> during it/LCA?
> >>
> >> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---
> >> heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
> >>
> >> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next
> >> project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer
> pressure?
> >>
> >> --V
> >>
> >> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
> >> sions/wool_bof/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chat mailing list
> >> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> >> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cat Allman
> >
> > allman at google.com
> > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > Mountain View, CA USA
> > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> >
> > ???Learning never exhausts the mind.???
> > ??? Leonardo da Vinci
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
> >
> 


Jill

Jill Rowling

From allman at google.com  Sat Jan  7 02:49:08 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 07:49:08 -0800
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
In-Reply-To: <1483691764.586f56f4d5568@anchor.net.au>
References: <448218FA-57B6-4AD7-948E-9609ECC1FA3A@vmbrasseur.com>
 <CACDwxg0Z77sfMBNhKNuBf5A2vr3x43CGarw+6Q9oD7qPFUdP9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, please!

Can one buy possum/marino yarn in Tasmania or if that just a New Zealand
thing?

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:36 AM, Jill Rowling <jillr at speleonics.com.au>
wrote:

> I'll be bringing along my project, too.
>
> Also some Marlyn Alpaca yarn if anyone wants to see it.
>
> - Jill Rowling
>
> Quoting Kristine Howard <kris.howard at gmail.com>:
>
> > I'll be bringing along my own project for the BoF. Just frogged it and
> > started over, so I need to focus on that for a while. Happy to do any
> yarn
> > store excursions too...
> >
> > And incidentally, if people haven't realised yet, there are TWO
> > knitting-related talks at LCA this year. I'm doing one as part of
> WOOTConf
> > on Monday (https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/120/), and then
> Nat
> > Dudley's doing one at the main conf on Wednesday (
> > https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/80/).
> >
> > I for one totally plan on knitting throughout Nat's talk! :)
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
> > chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local
> yarn
> > > store?  :-)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <
> linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!).
> > >> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery
> > Knit-Along
> > >> during it/LCA?
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---
> > >> heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
> > >>
> > >> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next
> > >> project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer
> > pressure?
> > >>
> > >> --V
> > >>
> > >> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
> > >> sions/wool_bof/
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Chat mailing list
> > >> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > >> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Cat Allman
> > >
> > > allman at google.com
> > > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > > Mountain View, CA USA
> > > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> > >
> > > ???Learning never exhausts the mind.??
> > > ??? Leonardo da Vinci
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Jill
>
> Jill Rowling
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 

Cat Allman

allman at google.com
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https://developers.google.com/open-source/

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From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Sat Jan  7 04:40:39 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:40:39 -0800
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
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I saw possum/merino in a LYS in CBD Hobart last time I was there, but even with the currency exchange discount it wasn't lower cost than I could find here at home. It was still very pettable, though. :)

Instead I ended up with a skein of Tasmanian merino superwash from a local dyer. It's been a really nice yarn to work with so far, and it was good to support the local wool industry in a little way.

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 07:49, Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Yes, please!
> 
> Can one buy possum/marino yarn in Tasmania or if that just a New Zealand thing?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:36 AM, Jill Rowling <jillr at speleonics.com.au> wrote:
> I'll be bringing along my project, too.
> 
> Also some Marlyn Alpaca yarn if anyone wants to see it.
> 
> - Jill Rowling
> 
> Quoting Kristine Howard <kris.howard at gmail.com>:
> 
> > I'll be bringing along my own project for the BoF. Just frogged it and
> > started over, so I need to focus on that for a while. Happy to do any yarn
> > store excursions too...
> >
> > And incidentally, if people haven't realised yet, there are TWO
> > knitting-related talks at LCA this year. I'm doing one as part of WOOTConf
> > on Monday (https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/120/), and then Nat
> > Dudley's doing one at the main conf on Wednesday (
> > https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/80/).
> >
> > I for one totally plan on knitting throughout Nat's talk! :)
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
> > chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local yarn
> > > store?  :-)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks, Katie!).
> > >> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery
> > Knit-Along
> > >> during it/LCA?
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---
> > >> heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
> > >>
> > >> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next
> > >> project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer
> > pressure?
> > >>
> > >> --V
> > >>
> > >> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
> > >> sions/wool_bof/
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Chat mailing list
> > >> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > >> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Cat Allman
> > >
> > > allman at google.com
> > > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > > Mountain View, CA USA
> > > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> > >
> > > ???Learning never exhausts the mind.??
> > > ??? Leonardo da Vinci
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> Jill
> 
> Jill Rowling
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cat Allman
> 
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> 
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.? 
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


From allman at google.com  Sat Jan  7 05:08:25 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:08:25 -0800
Subject: [Chat] LCA RPG Knit-along &/or fibering meetup
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I look forward to doing just that :-)

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:40 AM, VM Brasseur <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
wrote:

> I saw possum/merino in a LYS in CBD Hobart last time I was there, but even
> with the currency exchange discount it wasn't lower cost than I could find
> here at home. It was still very pettable, though. :)
>
> Instead I ended up with a skein of Tasmanian merino superwash from a local
> dyer. It's been a really nice yarn to work with so far, and it was good to
> support the local wool industry in a little way.
>
> > On Jan 6, 2017, at 07:49, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, please!
> >
> > Can one buy possum/marino yarn in Tasmania or if that just a New Zealand
> thing?
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:36 AM, Jill Rowling <jillr at speleonics.com.au>
> wrote:
> > I'll be bringing along my project, too.
> >
> > Also some Marlyn Alpaca yarn if anyone wants to see it.
> >
> > - Jill Rowling
> >
> > Quoting Kristine Howard <kris.howard at gmail.com>:
> >
> > > I'll be bringing along my own project for the BoF. Just frogged it and
> > > started over, so I need to focus on that for a while. Happy to do any
> yarn
> > > store excursions too...
> > >
> > > And incidentally, if people haven't realised yet, there are TWO
> > > knitting-related talks at LCA this year. I'm doing one as part of
> WOOTConf
> > > on Monday (https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/120/), and
> then Nat
> > > Dudley's doing one at the main conf on Wednesday (
> > > https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/80/).
> > >
> > > I for one totally plan on knitting throughout Nat's talk! :)
> > >
> > > K
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
> > > chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm not interested in the project - but how about a trip to a local
> yarn
> > > > store?  :-)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:01 AM, VM Brasseur <
> linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It looks like there's already a Wool BoF planned [0] (thanks,
> Katie!).
> > > >> Would anyone be interested in doing this RPG-formatted Mystery
> > > Knit-Along
> > > >> during it/LCA?
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/yarn-quest-2017---
> > > >> heroes-of-yarnia-rpg-mkal
> > > >>
> > > >> I confess, I'm looking for excuses to do this rather than the next
> > > >> project I have in my queue. Who wants to put the pressure in peer
> > > pressure?
> > > >>
> > > >> --V
> > > >>
> > > >> [0] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
> > > >> sions/wool_bof/
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Chat mailing list
> > > >> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > >> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Cat Allman
> > > >
> > > > allman at google.com
> > > > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > > > Mountain View, CA USA
> > > > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> > > >
> > > > ???Learning never exhausts the mind.??
> > > > ??? Leonardo da Vinci
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Chat mailing list
> > > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Jill
> >
> > Jill Rowling
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cat Allman
> >
> > allman at google.com
> > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > Mountain View, CA USA
> > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> >
> > ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>


-- 

Cat Allman

allman at google.com
Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
? Leonardo da Vinci
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Sat Jan  7 13:51:40 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:51:40 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] LCA first timers guide
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701071544270.23027@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>


If you are new to Linux.conf.au then you might want to take a quick look 
at the unofficial "Linux.conf.au First Timers Guide". It has some 
information about Linux.conf.au that you might not have picked up elsewhere:

http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/2007/0129.html

Thanks to Paul Del for encouraging me to get this uptodate. I'll probably 
do a rewrite of the guide/site in 2017 [1], please let me know if you 
have any thoughts about changes to the document [2].

[1] Although it was on my 2016 list too
[2] One plan is maintining it on github to ease updates.

-- 
Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/
"To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar


From thompson.h at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 15:45:48 2017
From: thompson.h at gmail.com (Hannah Thompson)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 04:45:48 +0000
Subject: [Chat] LCA first timers guide
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701071544270.23027@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701071544270.23027@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <CAP=PEBND-i61ibUqoM_sEJ4+fQY_4Cn_b2tLzruhbEayYgPz7A@mail.gmail.com>

Handy to have a newbie guide, thanks for sharing :) although one comment
I'd make would be to edit this sentence, from the Conference Wrap-Up
section, because it's a bit off-putting, at least for me. (Even if the
thankyou gifts are gendered it probably doesn't need to be spelt out?)

"The organisers will be thanked, a bunch of flowers will be given to the
females and alcohol to the males. The head organiser usually gets a gift
from the speakers."

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 at 3:03 pm, Simon Lyall <simon at darkmere.gen.nz> wrote:

>
> If you are new to Linux.conf.au then you might want to take a quick look
> at the unofficial "Linux.conf.au First Timers Guide". It has some
> information about Linux.conf.au that you might not have picked up
> elsewhere:
>
> http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/2007/0129.html
>
> Thanks to Paul Del for encouraging me to get this uptodate. I'll probably
> do a rewrite of the guide/site in 2017 [1], please let me know if you
> have any thoughts about changes to the document [2].
>
> [1] Although it was on my 2016 list too
> [2] One plan is maintining it on github to ease updates.
>
> --
> Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/
> "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From kathy at kathyreid.id.au  Sat Jan  7 16:00:08 2017
From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:00:08 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA first timers guide
In-Reply-To: <CAP=PEBND-i61ibUqoM_sEJ4+fQY_4Cn_b2tLzruhbEayYgPz7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701071544270.23027@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>
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Message-ID: <511c2737-7e3c-9692-2d41-4b2853ea03d0@kathyreid.id.au>

Last year the LCA2016 Geelong crew, of which I was totes proud to be a
part of, all got kick-ass Crumpler gear (thanks, David Bell!)

The LCA2012 Ballarat crew (also super totes proud) got telescopes - the
theme was 'LCA under the stars'.

Beats a gender-specific bunch of flowers any day!

Agree with Hannah, this sentence should be iterated upon :-)

Best, K.


On 07/01/17 15:45, Hannah Thompson wrote:
> Handy to have a newbie guide, thanks for sharing :) although one
> comment I'd make would be to edit this sentence, from the Conference
> Wrap-Up section, because it's a bit off-putting, at least for me.
> (Even if the thankyou gifts are gendered it probably doesn't need to
> be spelt out?) "The organisers will be thanked, a bunch of flowers
> will be given to the females and alcohol to the males. The head
> organiser usually gets a gift from the speakers."
>
> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 at 3:03 pm, Simon Lyall <simon at darkmere.gen.nz
> <mailto:simon at darkmere.gen.nz>> wrote:
>
>
>     If you are new to Linux.conf.au <http://Linux.conf.au> then you
>     might want to take a quick look
>     at the unofficial "Linux.conf.au <http://Linux.conf.au> First
>     Timers Guide". It has some
>     information about Linux.conf.au <http://Linux.conf.au> that you
>     might not have picked up elsewhere:
>
>     http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/2007/0129.html
>
>     Thanks to Paul Del for encouraging me to get this uptodate. I'll
>     probably
>     do a rewrite of the guide/site in 2017 [1], please let me know if you
>     have any thoughts about changes to the document [2].
>
>     [1] Although it was on my 2016 list too
>     [2] One plan is maintining it on github to ease updates.
>
>     --
>     Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/
>     "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>     <mailto:Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
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>
>
>
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Sat Jan  7 17:00:02 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:00:02 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] LCA first timers guide
In-Reply-To: <CAP=PEBND-i61ibUqoM_sEJ4+fQY_4Cn_b2tLzruhbEayYgPz7A@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2017, Hannah Thompson wrote:
> Handy to have a newbie guide, thanks for sharing :) although one comment I'd
> make would be to edit this sentence, from the Conference Wrap-Up section,
> because it's a bit off-putting, at least for me. (Even if the thankyou gifts
> are gendered it probably doesn't need to be spelt out?)
> 
> "The organisers will be thanked, a bunch of flowers will be given to the
> females and alcohol to the males. The head organiser usually gets a gift
> from the speakers."

I'll update this in a few minutes. I think the reason for the wording was 
because it seemed a little cliched and old fashioned to be splitting out 
gifts by gender like that.

I'm pretty sure this hasn't happened for a few years and in fact I seem to 
recall that the presentation of gifts to the team during the conference 
close is discouraged these days.


-- 
Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/
"To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar


From rashmicy at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 21:01:02 2017
From: rashmicy at gmail.com (Rashmica Gupta)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:01:02 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA first timers guide
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1701071852200.23027@gold.darkmere.gen.nz>
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Cheers for the guide Simon.

I imagine that "Miniconfs can't be quite different" is probably supposed to
be "Miniconfs *can* be quite different?


Rashmica


On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Simon Lyall <simon at darkmere.gen.nz> wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jan 2017, Hannah Thompson wrote:
>
>> Handy to have a newbie guide, thanks for sharing :) although one comment
>> I'd
>> make would be to edit this sentence, from the Conference Wrap-Up section,
>> because it's a bit off-putting, at least for me. (Even if the thankyou
>> gifts
>> are gendered it probably doesn't need to be spelt out?)
>>
>> "The organisers will be thanked, a bunch of flowers will be given to the
>> females and alcohol to the males. The head organiser usually gets a gift
>> from the speakers."
>>
>
> I'll update this in a few minutes. I think the reason for the wording was
> because it seemed a little cliched and old fashioned to be splitting out
> gifts by gender like that.
>
> I'm pretty sure this hasn't happened for a few years and in fact I seem to
> recall that the presentation of gifts to the team during the conference
> close is discouraged these days.
>
>
>
> --
> Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/
> "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Sat Jan  7 23:44:55 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:44:55 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA first timers guide
In-Reply-To: <511c2737-7e3c-9692-2d41-4b2853ea03d0@kathyreid.id.au>
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On 7 January 2017 at 16:00, Kathy Reid <kathy at kathyreid.id.au> wrote:
> Last year the LCA2016 Geelong crew, of which I was totes proud to be a part
> of, all got kick-ass Crumpler gear (thanks, David Bell!)
>
> The LCA2012 Ballarat crew (also super totes proud) got telescopes - the
> theme was 'LCA under the stars'.
>
> Beats a gender-specific bunch of flowers any day!

And would beat a bottle of alcohol for this male non-drinker, too!

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From marc at merlins.org  Sun Jan  8 05:07:09 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:07:09 -0800
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:10:42AM +1100, Paris wrote:
> I'm a local to Hobart who literally just got back from Strahan after doing everything Peter suggests. It was fabulous. Best mini-holiday in years.

So first, I wanted to thank you both for that recommendation.
3 questions for you:
a) which of the 2 boat cruises you recommend
b) should I do the full 1 day queenstown train ride, or a half day (rack
and gorge) is likely enough to get most of it, and frees up an afternoon
for other activities (scenic flight, ATV tour, or something else)
c) I really would like to skip the long drive back from Strahan to Hobart
Is the 16:30 bus my best way back?


My plan is now:

Day 1: wineglass bay, go to Launceston

Day 2: Tasmania Zoo, launceston, Mole Creek Caves, King Solomons Cave,
       Maybe Trowunna Wildlife Park

Day 3: Cradle Mountain, hike to the top. Drive to Strahan end of day (2h)
       Hike to Hogarth Falls, see platypus at Dusk in Peoples Park?

Day 4: Queenstown explorer 09:00 to 17:30. It's a long rail trip, I'm
not sure if I need an entire day and Queenstown is worth that long trip,
or if doing the shorter River & Rainforest or Rack & Gorge half day
trips will work better.
Recommendations?
       Maybe a guided ATV tour if time, or scenic flight
       Bonnet Island experience at dusk to see mutton birds and penguins

Day 5: Strahan World Heritage Cruise or Gordon River (need to pick one of the 2)
       drive/bus/plane back to Hobart
       

Then, my problem is getting back to Hobart. Is 5H by road, or likely to
be even longer? Honestly I don't enjoy these very long drives at the end
of a day, but I have a 06:30 flight out of hobart the next morning.
Another option is to pay (way too much) for a private flight back to
Hobart.
Now, I see that there is an optoin to take a bus:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bus%20from%20strahan%20to%20hobart
4:30 PM - 10:07 PM (5h37, one connection)
http://www.tassielink.com.au/timetables/strahan-lake-st-clair-hobart
Is it basically my best bet to skip the long drive?

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Sun Jan  8 08:56:56 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 08:56:56 +1100
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On 8 January 2017 at 05:07, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
>
> Then, my problem is getting back to Hobart. Is 5H by road, or likely to
> be even longer? Honestly I don't enjoy these very long drives at the end
> of a day, but I have a 06:30 flight out of hobart the next morning.
> Another option is to pay (way too much) for a private flight back to
> Hobart.
> Now, I see that there is an optoin to take a bus:
> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bus%20from%20strahan%20to%20hobart
> 4:30 PM - 10:07 PM (5h37, one connection)
> http://www.tassielink.com.au/timetables/strahan-lake-st-clair-hobart
> Is it basically my best bet to skip the long drive?

wrt the Train -- the *whole* trip is worth it for the rail trip alone,
but not the trip to Queenstown.

Wrt everything else:

Looking at your entire itinerary Marc, you're being *very* brave with
the amount of driving you're planning on doing around the West Coast
(and to a lesser extent the east). The 2h from Cradle Mountain to
Strahan involves mountain passes and winding roads that are dangerous
after dark (sunset is around 20:40 at that time of year). Cell
coverage is minimal on all networks. You should factor in maybe 50%
extra based on the shortest estimates of driving if you are not
experienced driving on the left of the road on narrow roads.

--Chris


-- 
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From marc at merlins.org  Sun Jan  8 09:35:55 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:35:55 -0800
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 08:56:56AM +1100, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
> On 8 January 2017 at 05:07, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
> >
> > Then, my problem is getting back to Hobart. Is 5H by road, or likely to
> > be even longer? Honestly I don't enjoy these very long drives at the end
> > of a day, but I have a 06:30 flight out of hobart the next morning.
> > Another option is to pay (way too much) for a private flight back to
> > Hobart.
> > Now, I see that there is an optoin to take a bus:
> > https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bus%20from%20strahan%20to%20hobart
> > 4:30 PM - 10:07 PM (5h37, one connection)
> > http://www.tassielink.com.au/timetables/strahan-lake-st-clair-hobart
> > Is it basically my best bet to skip the long drive?
> 
> wrt the Train -- the *whole* trip is worth it for the rail trip alone,
> but not the trip to Queenstown.
 
Sorry, just to be clear: you are saying that doing the train is a must
do (I got that), but that a half day train ride (they have two) is
enough and that I don't need to do the full day train ride with 1h stop
in queenstown. Correct?

If so, they have:
http://www.wcwr.com.au/
rack and gorge
or
river and rainforest

both half day (one morning, one afternoon)
Do you have one you recommend over the other?

> Wrt everything else:
> 
> Looking at your entire itinerary Marc, you're being *very* brave with
> the amount of driving you're planning on doing around the West Coast

Actually, it's not so bad :)
I'm only driving from Launceston to Strahan in 3 bits, no leg being more
than 3h I believe (probably closer to 2). It's not really about being
brave but more how can I get from A to B otherwise without losing up to
a day waiting for a bus or not having the option at all?
In New Zealand it was the same problem, for half our trip driving was
almost unavoidable.

> (and to a lesser extent the east). The 2h from Cradle Mountain to
> Strahan involves mountain passes and winding roads that are dangerous
> after dark (sunset is around 20:40 at that time of year). Cell
> coverage is minimal on all networks. You should factor in maybe 50%
> extra based on the shortest estimates of driving if you are not
> experienced driving on the left of the road on narrow roads.

Correct about sunset, I already looked it up.
Mountain passes, again, I race cars and do driving around mountain
roads for fun. Straight driving bores me to death :)
My biggest issue with driving on the left side is getting the windshield
wipers mixed up with the turn signal. The rest is not really a big deal.
That said, I realize that for the average driver, it's probably more
daunting, so thanks for the warning.

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Sun Jan  8 09:41:54 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 09:41:54 +1100
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On 8 January 2017 at 09:35, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 08:56:56AM +1100, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
>> On 8 January 2017 at 05:07, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Then, my problem is getting back to Hobart. Is 5H by road, or likely to
>> > be even longer? Honestly I don't enjoy these very long drives at the end
>> > of a day, but I have a 06:30 flight out of hobart the next morning.
>> > Another option is to pay (way too much) for a private flight back to
>> > Hobart.
>> > Now, I see that there is an optoin to take a bus:
>> > https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bus%20from%20strahan%20to%20hobart
>> > 4:30 PM - 10:07 PM (5h37, one connection)
>> > http://www.tassielink.com.au/timetables/strahan-lake-st-clair-hobart
>> > Is it basically my best bet to skip the long drive?
>>
>> wrt the Train -- the *whole* trip is worth it for the rail trip alone,
>> but not the trip to Queenstown.
>
> Sorry, just to be clear: you are saying that doing the train is a must
> do (I got that), but that a half day train ride (they have two) is
> enough and that I don't need to do the full day train ride with 1h stop
> in queenstown. Correct?
>
> If so, they have:
> http://www.wcwr.com.au/
> rack and gorge
> or
> river and rainforest
>
> both half day (one morning, one afternoon)
> Do you have one you recommend over the other?

You should do the full trip, one-way to Queenstown (if you can), and
take a bus back to strahan.

The Rack and Gorge has more interesting rail technology. The river and
rainforest has more interesting scenery. Take your pick if you can
only do the half-day.

>> Wrt everything else:
>>
>> Looking at your entire itinerary Marc, you're being *very* brave with
>> the amount of driving you're planning on doing around the West Coast
>
> Actually, it's not so bad :)
> I'm only driving from Launceston to Strahan in 3 bits, no leg being more
> than 3h I believe (probably closer to 2). It's not really about being
> brave but more how can I get from A to B otherwise without losing up to
> a day waiting for a bus or not having the option at all?
> In New Zealand it was the same problem, for half our trip driving was
> almost unavoidable.
>
>> (and to a lesser extent the east). The 2h from Cradle Mountain to
>> Strahan involves mountain passes and winding roads that are dangerous
>> after dark (sunset is around 20:40 at that time of year). Cell
>> coverage is minimal on all networks. You should factor in maybe 50%
>> extra based on the shortest estimates of driving if you are not
>> experienced driving on the left of the road on narrow roads.
>
> Correct about sunset, I already looked it up.
> Mountain passes, again, I race cars and do driving around mountain
> roads for fun. Straight driving bores me to death :)
> My biggest issue with driving on the left side is getting the windshield
> wipers mixed up with the turn signal. The rest is not really a big deal.
> That said, I realize that for the average driver, it's probably more
> daunting, so thanks for the warning.
>

Don't say I didn't warn you :)

Add 50% over the times that you see. The roads are narrow and
dangerous, and because it's summer, they'll be full of tourists who
cannot drive nearly as well as you claim to be able to.

The roads are narrow. You can very easily get stuck behind people who
are less capable than you, with no overtaking opportunities for 40-50
minutes. Especially in summer, we're talking about heavy caravans and
the like. And rental cars that aren't suited for Tasmanian roads.

--Chris

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From kathy at kathyreid.id.au  Sun Jan  8 10:15:21 2017
From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:15:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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Just to echo Chris' sentiments, and because I've done the drive, twice.

The drive to Strahan is dangerous, requires advanced driving skills, is
fatiguing and has a high degree of difficulty. In a manual vehicle,
expect to be in first gear for a lot of the turns. In an automatic rent
a vehicle, you will find controlling the turns-on-inclines even more
difficult.

If you do drive, allow 50-100% extra time than indicated. Chris is not
being dramatic here, he is being cautious and concerned for your safety.

If you do go, be prepared for additional patience, keep your fuel tank
as full as possible (as lower gear, higher traction, slow speed consumes
more fuel) and pack a first aid kit, extra water and food.

I was the first responder on scene when a lady slid off the Cradle Mt
road in snow in 2013. It wasn't pretty, but I learned valuable lessons.

Best wishes, and hope to see you safely at conf.

Best, K.




From marc at merlins.org  Sun Jan  8 10:27:41 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:27:41 -0800
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:41:54AM +1100, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
> You should do the full trip, one-way to Queenstown (if you can), and
> take a bus back to strahan.
 
I didn't even consider that it was an option. Let me look into it.
But you're saying visiting Queenstown isn't worth it?

> The Rack and Gorge has more interesting rail technology. The river and
> rainforest has more interesting scenery. Take your pick if you can
> only do the half-day.
 
Gotcha.

> Don't say I didn't warn you :)
 
Ack.

> Add 50% over the times that you see. The roads are narrow and
> dangerous, and because it's summer, they'll be full of tourists who
> cannot drive nearly as well as you claim to be able to.

That last bit is more my concern. Every time I end up on a mountain
road, my biggest issue are the people in front of me that I can't pass
easily, or at all in places, and that won't pull over.

> The roads are narrow. You can very easily get stuck behind people who
> are less capable than you, with no overtaking opportunities for 40-50
> minutes. Especially in summer, we're talking about heavy caravans and
> the like. And rental cars that aren't suited for Tasmanian roads.

Yeah, that worries me a lot more. Sadly, I assume it's unavoidable. All
I can do is make sure the rental car has some engine power so that I
have a fighting chance to pass other cars in areas with a bit of room.

On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 10:15:21AM +1100, Kathy Reid wrote:
> Just to echo Chris' sentiments, and because I've done the drive, twice.
> 
> The drive to Strahan is dangerous, requires advanced driving skills, is
> fatiguing and has a high degree of difficulty. In a manual vehicle,
> expect to be in first gear for a lot of the turns. In an automatic rent
> a vehicle, you will find controlling the turns-on-inclines even more
> difficult.

I'm not driving to or from Strahan to/from Hobart. It's not that I can't
do it, but that it's long and tiring and I'm not really interested in
doing this, especially if I'm going to be stuck behind other cars slower
than me.
Looks like right now my best option is to take the 16:30 Strahan to
Hobart bus back.
As for Cradle mountain to Strahan, if it takes 3H instead of 2, so be
it. There isn't much else I can do about it.

> If you do drive, allow 50-100% extra time than indicated. Chris is not
> being dramatic here, he is being cautious and concerned for your safety.
 
Understood.

> If you do go, be prepared for additional patience, keep your fuel tank
> as full as possible (as lower gear, higher traction, slow speed consumes
> more fuel) and pack a first aid kit, extra water and food.
> I was the first responder on scene when a lady slid off the Cradle Mt
> road in snow in 2013. It wasn't pretty, but I learned valuable lessons.

Ack. My worst issue so far we doing a similar drive in Taiwan (east cost
to west coast, 3000m peak, crappy rental car), and some asshole that was
blocking me on the way up and when I finally found a spot where I could
pass, he tried to run me off the road by moving into the opposite lane
and pushing me into the shoulder.
Another stupid driver with no skill and too much ego to let someone
faster pass, I hate those :(
(but yes, I completed the pass, and after 2 turns he was nowhere to be
seen in my rear view mirror, as expected)

Marc
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From russell-linuxaus at stuart.id.au  Sun Jan  8 12:18:33 2017
From: russell-linuxaus at stuart.id.au (Russell Stuart)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 11:18:33 +1000
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On Sun, 2017-01-08 at 08:56 +1100, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
> but not the trip to Queenstown.
> 
> Wrt everything else:
> 
> Strahan involves mountain passes and winding roads that are dangerous
> after dark (sunset is around 20:40 at that time of year).

Horses for courses I guess.

My wife and I circumnavigated Tasmania in a campervan after the last
Tasi LCA.  I found Queenstown fascinating.   I gather most of the
mining occurred a century ago, although the last copper mine was shut
down in 2014.  After 100 years in a high rainfall area it's still
devoid of life.  Apparently nature can't always claim back the earth
after we have finished with it.  The colourful ores of the heavy metals
they were mining for give the area a surreal if menacing beauty - I
avoided the pools of water lying around.  If you google.com.au "moon
scape mining" Queenstown is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd hits.

A campervan is not most manoeuvrable thing in the world, but I didn't
find navigating the mountain roads particularly difficult.  The most
challenging problem I have driving long distances in Queensland,
fatigue induced by straight roads passing through 100's of kilometres
seemingly endless bushland isn't a problem in Tasmania.  And unlike the
challenges the 4wd clubs set themselves, all it takes to navigate these
roads safely is a willingness to take the road sign recommendations
seriously.  If you don't - well yes, things to go very wrong very
quickly - but that's always true when pushing 2 tons of metal at high
speed.

On the up side being able to stop in the in the middle of the west cost
wilderness and take a walk through the forest was the highlight of the
trip for me.  It felt like one of the few large wildernesses left on
the planet that hasn't been profoundly influenced by by our species. 
(Australian's familiar with Tasmanian politics will know keeping it
that way has been a challenge).  Other similar places, like say
Antarctica, are that way only because it's physically difficult for us
to live there.

From kris.howard at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:25:11 2017
From: kris.howard at gmail.com (Kris Howard)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:25:11 +1100
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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I visited Queenstown in November 2014 and did the train ride. In the Spring it doesn't go all the way to Strahan though, so we just did the out and back. I blogged it if you want to judge whether it's with the trip: https://www.web-goddess.org/photo/trip-to-tasmania-november-20-30-2014/13

I'm glad we did it, but TBH there's not much else to do there. 

Kris

> On 8 Jan 2017, at 10:27 am, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:41:54AM +1100, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
>> You should do the full trip, one-way to Queenstown (if you can), and
>> take a bus back to strahan.
> 
> I didn't even consider that it was an option. Let me look into it.
> But you're saying visiting Queenstown isn't worth it?
> 
>> The Rack and Gorge has more interesting rail technology. The river and
>> rainforest has more interesting scenery. Take your pick if you can
>> only do the half-day.
> 
> Gotcha.
> 
>> Don't say I didn't warn you :)
> 
> Ack.
> 
>> Add 50% over the times that you see. The roads are narrow and
>> dangerous, and because it's summer, they'll be full of tourists who
>> cannot drive nearly as well as you claim to be able to.
> 
> That last bit is more my concern. Every time I end up on a mountain
> road, my biggest issue are the people in front of me that I can't pass
> easily, or at all in places, and that won't pull over.
> 
>> The roads are narrow. You can very easily get stuck behind people who
>> are less capable than you, with no overtaking opportunities for 40-50
>> minutes. Especially in summer, we're talking about heavy caravans and
>> the like. And rental cars that aren't suited for Tasmanian roads.
> 
> Yeah, that worries me a lot more. Sadly, I assume it's unavoidable. All
> I can do is make sure the rental car has some engine power so that I
> have a fighting chance to pass other cars in areas with a bit of room.
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 10:15:21AM +1100, Kathy Reid wrote:
>> Just to echo Chris' sentiments, and because I've done the drive, twice.
>> 
>> The drive to Strahan is dangerous, requires advanced driving skills, is
>> fatiguing and has a high degree of difficulty. In a manual vehicle,
>> expect to be in first gear for a lot of the turns. In an automatic rent
>> a vehicle, you will find controlling the turns-on-inclines even more
>> difficult.
> 
> I'm not driving to or from Strahan to/from Hobart. It's not that I can't
> do it, but that it's long and tiring and I'm not really interested in
> doing this, especially if I'm going to be stuck behind other cars slower
> than me.
> Looks like right now my best option is to take the 16:30 Strahan to
> Hobart bus back.
> As for Cradle mountain to Strahan, if it takes 3H instead of 2, so be
> it. There isn't much else I can do about it.
> 
>> If you do drive, allow 50-100% extra time than indicated. Chris is not
>> being dramatic here, he is being cautious and concerned for your safety.
> 
> Understood.
> 
>> If you do go, be prepared for additional patience, keep your fuel tank
>> as full as possible (as lower gear, higher traction, slow speed consumes
>> more fuel) and pack a first aid kit, extra water and food.
>> I was the first responder on scene when a lady slid off the Cradle Mt
>> road in snow in 2013. It wasn't pretty, but I learned valuable lessons.
> 
> Ack. My worst issue so far we doing a similar drive in Taiwan (east cost
> to west coast, 3000m peak, crappy rental car), and some asshole that was
> blocking me on the way up and when I finally found a spot where I could
> pass, he tried to run me off the road by moving into the opposite lane
> and pushing me into the shoulder.
> Another stupid driver with no skill and too much ego to let someone
> faster pass, I hate those :(
> (but yes, I completed the pass, and after 2 turns he was nowhere to be
> seen in my rear view mirror, as expected)
> 
> Marc
> -- 
> "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
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From marc at merlins.org  Sun Jan  8 12:51:33 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:51:33 -0800
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 12:25:11PM +1100, Kris Howard wrote:
> I visited Queenstown in November 2014 and did the train ride. In the Spring it doesn't go all the way to Strahan though, so we just did the out and back. I blogged it if you want to judge whether it's with the trip: https://www.web-goddess.org/photo/trip-to-tasmania-november-20-30-2014/13
> 
> I'm glad we did it, but TBH there's not much else to do there. 

Thanks for the warning :)

In the meantime, I found out that 
1) I can't do the whole day to queenstown thing because it's not going
to be offered when I'm there (they moved the days of the week it's being
done, and now it's the days I won't be there)
2) they don't offer rack and gorge from strahan, I'd have to drive to
queenstown and back, which is a bit annoying considering the train would
go to strahan where I am, and then back to queenstown where I'm not.

So that leaves me with the rainforest one.

As for the 2 companies doing the gordon river cruise, the one that's
actually called "gordon river" leaves 30mn earlier and ultimately both
companies offer about the same, so I'll do gordon river cruises since
they also offer a bonnet island experience in the evenign as a separate
cruise (mutton birds and penguins)

Marc
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 12:57:27 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:57:27 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Lyell Highway (was Re:  What to see in Tasmania ?)
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One thing I didn't mention, but probably should add, is another word of 
caution about the road. It's the only way in, or out, that the major 
aquaculture company over there uses and thus it's not entirely unheard 
of for cars to get stuck behind very large trucks at slow speed on the 
mountain passes. It's also not entirely unheard of for trucks to break 
down and - due to the location of the breakdown - become impassable for 
the rest of the day.

Not saying it's a common thing at all, just that ever year or so one 
hears a tale about some person who had their 3 hour trip converted into 
9 or 10 (by eventually giving up and going 'the other way', around the 
north west).

Basically, there's only one road from the north west of Tasmania, down 
the west coast and into Hobart. It wasn't built until after WW1, before 
then it was just a bunch of tracks and much remained unsurfaced until 
the 1950's, mostly just a bunch of tubes [a little hydro-electric power 
joke there folks...]. It's a nasty piece of work and even professional 
drivers are advised to not be nonchalant about the difficulties. Even 
though it's called the Lyell Highway, I don't think anyone who's 
travelled on it would agree with the designation.

The other thing is, yes although it's a ~4 hour drive, there are quite a 
few nice spots to stop off and really enjoy the scenery and I'd strongly 
encourage anyone doing the drive to do so.


Regards,


Pete.


On 01/01/17 05:10, Paris wrote:
> I'm a local to Hobart who literally just got back from Strahan after doing everything Peter suggests. It was fabulous. Best mini-holiday in years.
>
> I add: walk to Hogarth falls, and walk to Henty Dunes/along Ocean Beach.
>
> Paris
>
>> On 29 Dec 2016, at 12:12, Peter Lawler via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> If you have the time and ability and the mental fortitude to face the road, go to Queenstown/Strahan and do the whole river tour/wilderness railway[2] thing. I highly recommend ensuring you have accommodation because although the road is only about 300km's (from Hobart) it's a decent 6 hour drive for the inexperienced (including breaks) due to the winding and climbing/descending nature and the mental exhaustion of staying alert at the wheel for so long. Also, it can be rather damp out that way, from memory it rains about 300 days a year...
>>
>> However, having said that...
>>
>> Both activities are about *the* best thing in Tassie and I would suggest a 'not to be missed if at all possible'. For the lover of low frequency sounds, pay the extra cash on the train and get the carriage behind the engine. The standing waves you'll experience are like nothing you've ever felt before...
>>
>> Also, if you make it to Strahan, see the evening performance of The Ship That Never Was[3], personally I think it's the best tale of piracy and freedom that I've ever heard and probably a pretty good contender for the most largest yet unknown Open Hardware... but I digress.
>>
>> Tasmanians often hear about visitors who intend to do the 'west coast experience' in a day. It's one of the best laughs out... the roads genuinely so exhausting.
>>
>> Pete.
>>
>> [1] http://www.gordonrivercruises.com.au/ https://worldheritagecruises.com.au/
>> [2] http://www.wcwr.com.au/
>> [3] http://www.roundearth.com.au/ship.htm
>>
>>> On 27/12/16 19:29, Marc MERLIN via Chat wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> This will be my second trip. I have 5 days before I fly out.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm considering a bus tour to Launceston that stops 4h in
>>> wineglass bay for hiking to the beach. Then I'll rent a car.
>>>
>>> Another day, cradle mountain and dove lake.
>>>
>>> 3 days left.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions for the remaining time ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 13:00:01 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:00:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On 08/01/17 08:56, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:

>
> Looking at your entire itinerary Marc, you're being *very* brave with
> the amount of driving you're planning on doing around the West Coast
<snip>
> --Chris
>
>
Legend has it that the roads out that way are disturbingly difficult to 
drive because they're littered with the bodies of vehicles abandoned by 
tourists trying to do too much in their allocated time...

From marc at merlins.org  Sun Jan  8 13:35:56 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:35:56 -0800
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
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On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 01:00:01PM +1100, Peter Lawler via Chat wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/01/17 08:56, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Looking at your entire itinerary Marc, you're being *very* brave with
> > the amount of driving you're planning on doing around the West Coast
> <snip>
> > --Chris
> > 
> Legend has it that the roads out that way are disturbingly difficult to
> drive because they're littered with the bodies of vehicles abandoned by
> tourists trying to do too much in their allocated time...

Haha, guilty as charged. I'm a crazy traveller, I'll sleep and relax
when I'm dead ;)

Here's how to do NZ in 29 days (I'm not counting the 5 days for LCA
2015): http://marc.merlins.org/perso/nz2015/links.html
(well, that also included 3 days diving in a liveaboard and 3 days
backpacking, so it's really NZ in 23 days)

That said, I'll make no attempt at saying that one can "do" Tasmania in
a week. Clearly, you can only see some highlights in that amount of
time.

Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP 1024R/763BE901

From mithro at mithis.com  Mon Jan  9 12:14:45 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:14:45 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Do you have weird HDMI hardware (and in Hobart before LCA?)
Message-ID: <CAHLUNMwU=W_DYVgJy=8wQcvcaxPYAkya03YxvFHdWrt=MSCyQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone!

We will again be using Numato Opsis boards running the HDMI2USB firmware to
capture presentations at Linux.conf.au (FOSS hardware + FOSS software for a
FOSS conference!).

One of the goals of the HDMI2USB firmware is to finally make it possible
for presenters to plug in their laptops and have it work first time without
any fussing about. To do that we need to constantly test our code against a
wide range of different hardware configurations, however we only own a
small amount of hardware ourselves.

*This is where you can help us! *Do you have weird hardware (laptops,
computers, etc) which can generate HDMI signals (including via adapters)
and willing to lend us for the period before LCA? We would love to borrow
it!

We are specially looking to borrow the following hardware which we know
have been problematic in the past;

 * ChromeBooks with native HDMI output
 * Anything which uses USB-C to HDMI adapters, including Chromebooks and
newer Macs
 * Dell USB 3.0 to HDMI+VGA+USB 3.0 adapters

We would really like to get samples of these devices this week so we can
test **before** LCA starts (and fix any problems).

*If you have hardware you can lend us, please contact me via email
mithro at mithis.com <mithro at mithis.com> or via IRC on FreeNode in
#linux.conf.au <http://linux.conf.au> or #timvideos.*

During Linux.conf.au (probably from about Wednesday onwards) we will also
have a test station setup where non-speakers can stop for 5-10 minutes and
test their laptop. We would appreciate your help testing when that happens
too.

Thanks for your help.

Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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From glen.ogilvie at oss.co.nz  Mon Jan  9 13:10:01 2017
From: glen.ogilvie at oss.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:10:01 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
In-Reply-To: <1483401426.15071.9.camel@samba.org>
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Hi 

I'm also spending Sat 21 - Mon 23 traveling around in Tasmania, fly out from Hobart on Tuesday 24th. 
I am planning on hiring a car and exploring the alpine areas of Tasmania, maybe some tramping and Queenstown. 

Andrew: Have you had anyone take you up on coming with you to Tasman Peninsula / Port Arthur? 

The train trip from Queenstown sounds fun. 

Anyone keen on traveling around with me? If so, get in contact and maybe it will be more fun than traveling by myself 

Regards 
-- 
Glen Ogilvie 
Open Systems Specialists 
Level 1, 162 Grafton Road 
http://www.oss.co.nz/ 

Ph: +64 9 984 3000 
Mobile: +64 21 684 146 
GPG Key: ACED9C17 



From: "Andrew Bartlett" <abartlet at samba.org> 
To: "Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 January, 2017 12:57:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ? 

On Tue, 2016-12-27 at 13:05 +0000, Clinton Roy via Chat wrote: 
> 
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 at 22:00 Marc MERLIN via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017 
> .linux.org.au> wrote: 
> > I will go to Mona while in Hobart, I meant the rest of Tasmania :) 
> > 
> 
> Port Arthur, if you're into history at all. It's a wonderful drive 
> (OK, motorcycle ride) and you can easily chew up a day getting there, 
> wallowing in history, and getting back to Hobart. 
> 
> I think you've already got all my other stops from my previous tour 
> :) 

I've booked a car Saturday and plan to do that, as I fly out noon 
Monday, spending Saturday and Sunday on the Tasman Peninsula / Port 
Arthur. Geek passengers welcome :-) 

Andrew Bartlett 


-- 
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Samba Developer, Catalyst IT http://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba 

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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 13:19:50 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:19:50 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
Message-ID: <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>


On 09/01/17 11:30, linux.conf.au 2017 wrote:

> Any emoji used on your badge will be rendered using the Open Source EmojiOne icon set (http://emojione.com), using icons that were available on 20 July 2016. You can use emojipedia.org to see how any emoji you use may render.
>
Is it just me, or does Emojione have problems on Debian Stretch?

Can't install the addon in Firefox and Chromium won't render in emoji 
the browser field.

see https://twitter.com/PeteAtLCA/status/818279970682204160 for screenshots

P.

From jwoithe at atrad.com.au  Mon Jan  9 13:25:29 2017
From: jwoithe at atrad.com.au (Jonathan Woithe)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:55:29 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Old hardware: Applix 1616 mainboard
Message-ID: <20170109022529.GC28394@marvin.atrad.com.au>

Hi all

I have an Applix 1616 mainboard[0] which I am willing to bring the LCA2017
to give away if someone would like it.  The board has all passives and IC
sockets in place, but the IC sockets are unpopulated.  I also have some of
the ICs including the PALs and EPROMs although the condition of these is
unknown.

If anyone is interested please let me know by Saturday night (I don't want
to drag it to Hobart unnecessarily).

In the absence of any takers the board will be thrown out.

Regards
  jonathan

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applix_1616
    http://psiphi.server101.com/applix/ and links therein

From hugh at blemings.org  Mon Jan  9 13:36:08 2017
From: hugh at blemings.org (Hugh Blemings)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:36:08 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Old hardware: Applix 1616 mainboard
In-Reply-To: <20170109022529.GC28394@marvin.atrad.com.au>
References: <20170109022529.GC28394@marvin.atrad.com.au>
Message-ID: <8b3fe887-e5e5-21e5-452a-1c758ea6d14a@blemings.org>

On 9/01/2017 13:25, Jonathan Woithe via Chat wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have an Applix 1616 mainboard[0] which I am willing to bring the LCA2017
> to give away if someone would like it.  The board has all passives and IC
> sockets in place, but the IC sockets are unpopulated.  I also have some of
> the ICs including the PALs and EPROMs although the condition of these is
> unknown.
>
> If anyone is interested please let me know by Saturday night (I don't want
> to drag it to Hobart unnecessarily).
>
> In the absence of any takers the board will be thrown out.

In the unlikely event you have no other takers Jonathan, I'll put my 
hand up for it please :)

To be unambiguous tho - if you have a more enthusiastic respondent than 
me, please pass it their way instead :)

Cheers,
Hugh



From jkristen at theintraweb.net  Mon Jan  9 13:49:41 2017
From: jkristen at theintraweb.net (John Kristensen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:49:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
 <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e29e9e7d-a810-010b-e954-fd73b9e47099@theintraweb.net>

G'Day Peter,

On 09/01/17 13:19, Peter Lawler via Chat wrote:
>
> On 09/01/17 11:30, linux.conf.au 2017 wrote:
>
>> Any emoji used on your badge will be rendered using the Open Source
>> EmojiOne icon set (http://emojione.com), using icons that were
>> available on 20 July 2016. You can use emojipedia.org to see how any
>> emoji you use may render.
>>
> Is it just me, or does Emojione have problems on Debian Stretch?
>
> Can't install the addon in Firefox and Chromium won't render in emoji
> the browser field.

Check you have Firefox v50 installed. The emojione set is support 
natively without needing to install the addon.

SeeYa,
John.

From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Mon Jan  9 14:28:00 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 14:28:00 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
 <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwemnJYJnSXx_HCzkuQm3ScKn-QMdJOmJNQ=cbRp9e2CbV2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Peter,

On linux, you need to play around with Fontconfig to make emoji render
(it has something to do with fallback fonts on X and .fontconfig that
I don't quite understand). There are tutorials on the internets.

Basically, Emojione should work on Linux.

--Chris

On 9 January 2017 at 13:19, Peter Lawler via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> On 09/01/17 11:30, linux.conf.au 2017 wrote:
>
>> Any emoji used on your badge will be rendered using the Open Source
>> EmojiOne icon set (http://emojione.com), using icons that were available on
>> 20 July 2016. You can use emojipedia.org to see how any emoji you use may
>> render.
>>
> Is it just me, or does Emojione have problems on Debian Stretch?
>
> Can't install the addon in Firefox and Chromium won't render in emoji the
> browser field.
>
> see https://twitter.com/PeteAtLCA/status/818279970682204160 for screenshots
>
> P.
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



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WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn

From katie at glasnt.com  Mon Jan  9 15:21:01 2017
From: katie at glasnt.com (Katie McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:21:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
 <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHtkQ2YS=Y7eJTqFhcHGOrFFjf3rNnhS23PiWOfmCX=uykKPZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Emoji and linux in combination are a barrel of fun!

I have no idea if the testing branch of Debian is addressing any of these
things natively, but here's some resources that'll help you work around it:

You could install the EmojiOne font locally
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/enable-color-emoji-linux-svg-font

Also, as of Firefox 50, EmojiOne should work for platforms that don't
natively support emoji
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/firefox-50-brings-native-emoji-linux-desktops

EmojiOne also provide a customisable renderer http://emojione.com/demo/ (be
aware that 'submit' posts the input to their 'guestbook'). If you try
pasting your string to that form it should load a preview

As a final fallback, you can check Emojipedia for image renderings of what
EmojiOne will provide, as a workaround. For example, HOW CUTE IS THE
PENGUIN http://emojipedia.org/emoji-one/2.2.5/penguin/

Hope this helps!

Katie
Resident Emoji Aficionado


On 9 January 2017 at 13:19, Peter Lawler via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

>
> On 09/01/17 11:30, linux.conf.au 2017 wrote:
>
> Any emoji used on your badge will be rendered using the Open Source
>> EmojiOne icon set (http://emojione.com), using icons that were available
>> on 20 July 2016. You can use emojipedia.org to see how any emoji you use
>> may render.
>>
>> Is it just me, or does Emojione have problems on Debian Stretch?
>
> Can't install the addon in Firefox and Chromium won't render in emoji the
> browser field.
>
> see https://twitter.com/PeteAtLCA/status/818279970682204160 for
> screenshots
>
> P.
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From russell at coker.com.au  Mon Jan  9 15:27:27 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 15:27:27 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Want university accommodation?
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMwU=W_DYVgJy=8wQcvcaxPYAkya03YxvFHdWrt=MSCyQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHLUNMwU=W_DYVgJy=8wQcvcaxPYAkya03YxvFHdWrt=MSCyQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1AA162D9-29FE-439C-9343-D26D3DBC5E89@coker.com.au>

- 1 x Accommodation at University of Tasmania - Single Bedroom with Shared Bathrooms, includes full breakfast, Sunday 15 January 2017--Saturday 21 January 2017

I just got a confirmation email about the conference with the above line. But I had forgotten and made a reservation at the hotel.

I'm guessing they aren't offering refunds so close to the conference. So is there anyone who wanted university accommodation but missed out?
-- 
Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.

From mikal at stillhq.com  Mon Jan  9 15:47:55 2017
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:47:55 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Conference iCal Feed
In-Reply-To: <7284ea5a1ada39607d1d4071ac3e22ae@scriptforge.org>
References: <7284ea5a1ada39607d1d4071ac3e22ae@scriptforge.org>
Message-ID: <CAEd1pt6-b4mW_905ZEyzOr42nue8uaAzmXMWDnNrW8Q-DHnWMw@mail.gmail.com>

I just did the thing with this thing, and its missing the PDNS breakfast.
Is it intended that social events not be in the ICS?

(Also, the LA AGM is missing, and the Github patchwork thing is listed as
"no title", which sounds super compelling).

Thanks,
Michael

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Scott Bragg <jsbragg at scriptforge.org>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> There is now iCal feed here: https://linux.conf.au/schedule/conference.ics
>
> I've tried importing in Nextcloud and Google calendar and they seem to
> consume that ics file ok, but if you have any issues, send me an email
> off-list and/or raise an issue on our github
> https://github.com/lca2017/symposion/issues
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> --
> Scott Bragg
>
> _______________________________________________
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:53:35 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:53:35 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <e29e9e7d-a810-010b-e954-fd73b9e47099@theintraweb.net>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
 <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
 <e29e9e7d-a810-010b-e954-fd73b9e47099@theintraweb.net>
Message-ID: <78050afe-b0bc-4d8c-6b95-6820e1e832dd@gmail.com>



On 09/01/17 13:49, John Kristensen via Chat wrote:
> G'Day Peter,

>
> Check you have Firefox v50 installed. The emojione set is support
> natively without needing to install the addon.

If only there was some easy way to see what Firefox was available on 
which Debian release...

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox-esr

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 16:08:57 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:08:57 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemnJYJnSXx_HCzkuQm3ScKn-QMdJOmJNQ=cbRp9e2CbV2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
 <696fb7b2-0bbe-893e-4a5b-145e4189ea35@gmail.com>
 <CABRwemnJYJnSXx_HCzkuQm3ScKn-QMdJOmJNQ=cbRp9e2CbV2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <616d72a2-509e-30d5-2e16-ce2b1bad825c@gmail.com>



On 09/01/17 14:28, Christopher Neugebauer wrote:
> Hey Peter,
>
> On linux, you need to play around with Fontconfig to make emoji render
> (it has something to do with fallback fonts on X and .fontconfig that
> I don't quite understand). There are tutorials on the internets.
>
> Basically, Emojione should work on Linux.

Ah, so Emojione isn't providing hooks into Chromium to fake stuff? 
Probably isn't possible or something anyway. I think this is possibly a 
better explanation of what I'm seeing. Difference between user 
expectation and product delivery.

A brief look at tutes seems like it only works on Linux by replacing 
default fonts and other things that I'm not quite prepared to do just 
for a single field on a single page at this point.

The other option is use the Chrome extension on Chromium, and then paste 
it into an emoji aware checker type thing such as 
http://apps.timwhitlock.info/unicode/inspect and ensure the correct code 
is being input.

Alternatively:
$sudo apt install fonts-symbola

Sure, not colour. But at least I can see what I've typed. And it'll 
probably work in lynx/elinks as well ;)


Cheers,

Pete.

From josh at nitrotech.org  Mon Jan  9 16:09:13 2017
From: josh at nitrotech.org (Joshua Hesketh)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:09:13 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Want university accommodation?
In-Reply-To: <1AA162D9-29FE-439C-9343-D26D3DBC5E89@coker.com.au>
References: <CAHLUNMwU=W_DYVgJy=8wQcvcaxPYAkya03YxvFHdWrt=MSCyQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1AA162D9-29FE-439C-9343-D26D3DBC5E89@coker.com.au>
Message-ID: <4478f970-7ea6-d855-ca89-42de41d60862@nitrotech.org>

Hey Russell,

Whoops! We understand these things can happen though.

We can process a refund for you instead and allow whoever else may want
a room to purchase it through the system which will assist with our
tracking and inventory. If you could please send your invoice number and
details to team at hobart.lca2017.org we can take it from there.

Anybody else looking for a room can add one to their registration via
the website https://linux.conf.au

Cheers,
Josh


On 09/01/17 15:27, Russell Coker via Chat wrote:
> - 1 x Accommodation at University of Tasmania - Single Bedroom with Shared Bathrooms, includes full breakfast, Sunday 15 January 2017--Saturday 21 January 2017
>
> I just got a confirmation email about the conference with the above line. But I had forgotten and made a reservation at the hotel.
>
> I'm guessing they aren't offering refunds so close to the conference. So is there anyone who wanted university accommodation but missed out?


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From jkristen at theintraweb.net  Mon Jan  9 16:21:05 2017
From: jkristen at theintraweb.net (John Kristensen)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:21:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] emojione (was Re: [IMPORTANT,
 ACTIONABLE] [lca2017] Your linux.conf.au 2017 ticket,
 and last chance for amendments)
In-Reply-To: <78050afe-b0bc-4d8c-6b95-6820e1e832dd@gmail.com>
References: <20170109003019.5035.66349@symp-01.linux.org.au>
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On 09/01/17 15:53, Peter Lawler via Chat wrote:
>
>
> On 09/01/17 13:49, John Kristensen via Chat wrote:
>> G'Day Peter,
>
>>
>> Check you have Firefox v50 installed. The emojione set is support
>> natively without needing to install the addon.
>
> If only there was some easy way to see what Firefox was available on
> which Debian release...
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox-esr

Yes, if only...

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox

;)

From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Mon Jan  9 19:40:11 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:40:11 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Kernel Miniconf - Monday
Message-ID: <CALn+=JoTiqf8hpV64iLV+dF4j=Hy7ZicU6MYiSFL7sz+P8+1HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kernel miniconf schedule is up, see
https://linux.conf.au/schedule/#monday for details!

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 20:09:51 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 20:09:51 +1100
Subject: [Chat] 7 Day weather forecast
Message-ID: <51a425cb-9ff1-2958-e9f1-aa07a71ff599@gmail.com>

The 'official' 7 days forecasts are starting to form up 
http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml

Sunday 15 January
Summary Min 12'C Max 22'C Partly cloudy. Possible rainfall: 0 mm Chance 
of any rain: 10%  Winds westerly 15 to 25 km/h.

Monday 16 January
Summary Min 13'C Max 25'C Mostly sunny. Possible rainfall: 0 mm Chance 
of any rain: 10% Light winds.

The longer range forecasts are suggesting a cooling during the remainder 
of the week, however this is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Cheers,

Pete.




From dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au  Mon Jan  9 20:40:23 2017
From: dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 20:10:23 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini Conference registration is open
In-Reply-To: <f427b9ac-ae85-a616-456d-4d031d7bc80f@geekscape.org>
References: <f427b9ac-ae85-a616-456d-4d031d7bc80f@geekscape.org>
Message-ID: <58735A87.60206@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>

On 30/12/16 17:51, Andy Gelme via Chat wrote:

> More details: http://www.openhardwareconf.org and
> http://www.openhardwareconf.org/wiki/OHC2017
>
> Registration form: https://goo.gl/forms/tGUfEifPP1OZ37082
>
> Places are limited (around 30) and usually disappear fairly quickly.

So, any news soon on whether we made the cut or not?  I'd like to
square up my account before I leave for Hobart later this week.

Cheers.


-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester
  Handcrafted Computers Pty. Ltd.

From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Mon Jan  9 21:50:04 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:50:04 +1100
Subject: [Chat] 7 Day weather forecast
In-Reply-To: <51a425cb-9ff1-2958-e9f1-aa07a71ff599@gmail.com>
References: <51a425cb-9ff1-2958-e9f1-aa07a71ff599@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54a0fe87-9e45-e265-94b5-882e51128484@kgoetz.id.au>

On 9/1/17 20:09, Peter Lawler via Chat wrote:
> The 'official' 7 days forecasts are starting to form up
> http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml

I prefer the new look:
http://www.bom.gov.au/places/tas/hobart/

Click 'Rest of Monday' or a date to get detailed predictions for the day.

> The longer range forecasts are suggesting a cooling during the remainder
> of the week, however this is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Predicting the future, you'll forgive them for not always getting it right.

thanks,
kk

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From dns at dns.id.au  Mon Jan  9 22:18:49 2017
From: dns at dns.id.au (Daniel Sobey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:48:49 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
Message-ID: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>

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Hello Everyone,

Like previous years it i'm planning on running a keysigning BOF session
during the conference.
Please submit your gpg key to https://keysigning.xyz/

For those that don't know a key signing party is a session where we prove
our identities to each other and confirm that we own that gpg key building
a web of trust between participants.

I am planning on holding the event in one of the evening sessions at the
end of the day on Tuesday or Thursday.

I hope to have printed lists of fingerprints on the day.
Organisers, can I ask for you to  print this (happy to pay costs), or do
you have a suggestion on some where in the city where this can be done.
Please remember to bring a pen, and photo id and a printed copy of your
fingerprint on the day.
Know that the organizer could evil and replaced your key with one they
control and people could have different versions of the document.

As the badges now have a free form text field also consider adding your
fingerprint to your badges so people can take a photo of the badge and sign
your key.

I'll update the wiki and this list with a schedule.
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/key_signing/

Regards,

Daniel Sobey
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From abartlet at samba.org  Tue Jan 10 08:02:51 2017
From: abartlet at samba.org (Andrew Bartlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:02:51 +1300
Subject: [Chat] What to see in Tasmania ?
In-Reply-To: <431475836.11583057.1483927801873.JavaMail.zimbra@oss.co.nz>
References: <CAKhhfD6QwwA_a-skP=4SJV8v_40r1kwVBdxeRZ5-cR-H6BJg0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1483995771.23858.48.camel@samba.org>

On Mon, 2017-01-09 at 15:10 +1300, Glen Ogilvie via Chat wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm also spending Sat 21 - Mon 23 traveling around in Tasmania, fly
> out from Hobart on Tuesday 24th.
> I am planning on hiring a car and exploring the alpine areas of
> Tasmania, maybe some tramping and Queenstown.
> 
> Andrew:? Have you had anyone take you up on coming with you to Tasman
> Peninsula / Port Arthur?

Not yet.

> The train trip from Queenstown sounds fun.
> 
> Anyone keen on traveling around with me???? If so, get in contact and
> maybe it will be more fun than traveling by myself?

I'm interested within the restriction of needing to be out of Hobart
airport on Monday.

Andrew Bartlett

From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Tue Jan 10 08:25:17 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:25:17 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Come to CLSx at LCA! Share your ideas now!
In-Reply-To: <DDC40FBF-42B1-4592-8278-809DCC2A958F@vmbrasseur.com>
References: <DDC40FBF-42B1-4592-8278-809DCC2A958F@vmbrasseur.com>
Message-ID: <2137BF6F-4A5D-4904-82B1-BC87837ED808@vmbrasseur.com>

Greetings, you wonderful humans, you! CLSx is just over a week away! Woooo!

Just a quick reminder that CLSx is collecting unconference topic ideas in advance of the miniconf so we can all start mulling over ideas and collecting our thoughts. Just add your ideas to the wiki page:

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/miniconfs/clsx_at_lca/

If there are any topics which interest you, please add your name in parentheses after the topic so we can start gauging interest.

Don't worry if you don't have ideas now. We'll also be collecting them in the opening session of the miniconf.

And if you're hoping to join us, please add your name to the list at the bottom of the page. :-)

We're looking forward to seeing you all Real Soon Now.

--V


> On Jan 1, 2017, at 13:57, VM Brasseur via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Holy smokes, can you believe LCA is only a couple weeks away? The reality is starting to sink in as we make final preparations for travel and talks and miniconfs.
> 
> We can't wait to collaborate with you all at the Community Leadership Summit miniconf on Tuesday the 15th. Our wiki page has launched and has all the information you need:
> 
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/miniconfs/clsx_at_lca/
> 
> Unlike most of the miniconfs, we don't have a set schedule of talks. CLSx is an unconference format. At the start of the miniconf the attendees gather to brainstorm the topics we'd like to discuss. Depending upon attendee preference and available space, we will cover one or two of these topics in each group discussion segment of the day's schedule.
> 
> While we'll be collecting and deciding on topics that morning, it never hurts to start thinking about and collecting them now. Have an idea of what you'd like to discuss that day? Please add it to the wiki and/or add your name to existing topics so we can gauge interest. Just scroll down to the "Topics for Discussion" section of the wiki:
> 
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/miniconfs/clsx_at_lca/
> 
> As we select topics that morning we'll try to update the wiki with the information so those who can't make it for the entire miniconf can see when the topics of most interest to them will be covered.
> 
> Just below the Topics for Discussion there's a "Prospective Attendees" section. Are you hoping to join us? Let us know! Add your name and preferred social network info here.
> 
> Eagle-eyed readers may have spotted the "TBD" block on the schedule. This is to allow us enough time to brainstorm the agenda. Leftover time in this block will be filled by short individual talks. Want to tell us briefly about a success or trevail of a community you know? Announce a new project or resource? Make a plea for collaborators? Introduce information relevant to one of the selected topics? This will be the place. Talks will max out at 3-5 minutes and are anticipated to be extemporaneous and without slides, though if you wish to prepare some material that's fine, too. You do you, honey.
> 
> That's all we have right now, aside from reminding you to update the wiki page with your topic ideas and saying we're looking forward to seeing you all in a couple weeks and having you join us at CLSx!
> 
> --V
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


From relwalretep at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 09:22:18 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:22:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini Conference registration is open
In-Reply-To: <58735A87.60206@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>
References: <f427b9ac-ae85-a616-456d-4d031d7bc80f@geekscape.org>
 <58735A87.60206@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>
Message-ID: <ed75bd7d-b379-d1f4-cfe0-974661ead94d@gmail.com>



On 09/01/17 20:40, Daryl Tester via Chat wrote:
> On 30/12/16 17:51, Andy Gelme via Chat wrote:

>> Places are limited (around 30) and usually disappear fairly quickly.
>
> So, any news soon on whether we made the cut or not?  I'd like to
> square up my account before I leave for Hobart later this week.

If we could get a confirmation on this ASAP, or even just a vague idea 
of when we might get a confirmation, it'd be great.

P.

From chair at hobart.lca2017.org  Tue Jan 10 10:50:51 2017
From: chair at hobart.lca2017.org (Christopher Neugebauer (linux.conf.au 2017))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 10:50:51 +1100
Subject: [Chat] linux.conf.au 2017 Childcare registrations close *TOMORROW*
Message-ID: <CABRwemn4omqg_hREZisGf9mjiJzACMbPUfL4wLBgvRqXrPKong@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there!

Registrations for Childcare at linux.conf.au will close at 12:00
UTC+11 on Wednesday 11 January (that?s tomorrow!)

Thanks to GitHub, we?re running free childcare for conference participants.

If you planning on bringing your children to Hobart when you?re at
linux.conf.au, and need to make use of our childcare facility, please
make sure you register before midday tomorrow.

All of the details -- and a link to the registration form -- are at
https://linux.conf.au/attend/childcare

-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>

Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend

From madduck at madduck.net  Tue Jan 10 12:27:50 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:27:50 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
Message-ID: <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Greg Kopff <greg at q10stats.com> [2017-01-05 22:41 +1300]:
> Is there a mobile app this year?

Use Giggity: https://wilmer.gaa.st/main.php/giggity.html

I've requested for the schedule to be included in the directory, but
you can also just add https://linux.conf.au/schedule/conference.ics
manually.

Get it on F-Droid:
https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.gaast.giggity
(or your proprietary provider of choice, if you must)

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
"give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. teach a man to
 fish, and he'll buy a funny hat. talk to a hungry man about fish,
 and you're a consultant."
                                                      -- scott adams
 
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
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From michael at cassaniti.id.au  Tue Jan 10 12:44:32 2017
From: michael at cassaniti.id.au (michael at cassaniti.id.au)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:44:32 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f217412b-470f-ffd2-52ba-0e48ac262729@cassaniti.id.au>


I'm a CACert assurer, and I'm willing to perform some assurances if
people wish. I wouldn't mind getting an idea of how many people will be
interested first though.

On 09/01/17 22:18, Daniel Sobey via Chat wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Like previous years it i'm planning on running a keysigning BOF
> session during the conference.
> Please submit your gpg key to https://keysigning.xyz/
>
> For those that don't know a key signing party is a session where we
> prove our identities to each other and confirm that we own that gpg
> key building a web of trust between participants.
>
> I am planning on holding the event in one of the evening sessions at
> the end of the day on Tuesday or Thursday.
>
> I hope to have printed lists of fingerprints on the day.
> Organisers, can I ask for you to  print this (happy to pay costs), or
> do you have a suggestion on some where in the city where this can be done.
> Please remember to bring a pen, and photo id and a printed copy of
> your fingerprint on the day.
> Know that the organizer could evil and replaced your key with one they
> control and people could have different versions of the document.
>
> As the badges now have a free form text field also consider adding
> your fingerprint to your badges so people can take a photo of the
> badge and sign your key.
>
> I'll update the wiki and this list with a schedule.
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/key_signing/
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel Sobey
> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing
list > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au >
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


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From dns at dns.id.au  Tue Jan 10 13:35:28 2017
From: dns at dns.id.au (Daniel Sobey)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:05:28 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <f217412b-470f-ffd2-52ba-0e48ac262729@cassaniti.id.au>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f217412b-470f-ffd2-52ba-0e48ac262729@cassaniti.id.au>
Message-ID: <CAAphvGrw-L5aY9U71ZqjJNr6TZTJxxNtDHAff6+GrLW6V94itQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am also a CACert assurer and can help fill out the documents if needed.
For those that don't know cacert is a centralized trust system where
people validate proof of identity to each other. see
http://www.cacert.org/ for more details.

I would suggest there is not enough time to do this during the key
signing BOF as we typically use the whole hour. It might make sense to
run this in the next slot after that if the room is free.
Michael, would you like to add a CA Cert BOF session to the wiki and
suggest a time that suites you.




On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:14 PM, michael--- via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> I'm a CACert assurer, and I'm willing to perform some assurances if
> people wish. I wouldn't mind getting an idea of how many people will be
> interested first though.
>
> On 09/01/17 22:18, Daniel Sobey via Chat wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Like previous years it i'm planning on running a keysigning BOF
>> session during the conference.
>> Please submit your gpg key to https://keysigning.xyz/
>>
>> For those that don't know a key signing party is a session where we
>> prove our identities to each other and confirm that we own that gpg
>> key building a web of trust between participants.
>>
>> I am planning on holding the event in one of the evening sessions at
>> the end of the day on Tuesday or Thursday.
>>
>> I hope to have printed lists of fingerprints on the day.
>> Organisers, can I ask for you to  print this (happy to pay costs), or
>> do you have a suggestion on some where in the city where this can be done.
>> Please remember to bring a pen, and photo id and a printed copy of
>> your fingerprint on the day.
>> Know that the organizer could evil and replaced your key with one they
>> control and people could have different versions of the document.
>>
>> As the badges now have a free form text field also consider adding
>> your fingerprint to your badges so people can take a photo of the
>> badge and sign your key.
>>
>> I'll update the wiki and this list with a schedule.
>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/key_signing/
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Daniel Sobey
>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing
> list > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au >
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
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From greg at q10stats.com  Tue Jan 10 13:41:25 2017
From: greg at q10stats.com (Greg Kopff)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:41:25 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
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> On 10 Jan 2017, at 11:27 am, martin f krafft via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> also sprach Greg Kopff <greg at q10stats.com> [2017-01-05 22:41 +1300]:
>> Is there a mobile app this year?
> 
> Use Giggity: https://wilmer.gaa.st/main.php/giggity.html

Nothing for iOS then?

I know last year?s wasn?t open source, but it did a reasonable job of scheduling my days.

Cheers,

?
Greg

From maks at manichord.com  Tue Jan 10 13:43:05 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:43:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+ZDVGPQYrixkoao08R6ncxurCUaZwhAGcw7WS9x1m4uch6dWA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip Martin, looks a like a very nicely done and handy
app, just installed and looks like the author has already acted on
your request and add lca to the main listing!

Maks.
----
Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
www.manichord.com


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:27 PM, martin f krafft via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> also sprach Greg Kopff <greg at q10stats.com> [2017-01-05 22:41 +1300]:
>> Is there a mobile app this year?
>
> Use Giggity: https://wilmer.gaa.st/main.php/giggity.html
>
> I've requested for the schedule to be included in the directory, but
> you can also just add https://linux.conf.au/schedule/conference.ics
> manually.
>
> Get it on F-Droid:
> https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.gaast.giggity
> (or your proprietary provider of choice, if you must)
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> "give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. teach a man to
>  fish, and he'll buy a funny hat. talk to a hungry man about fish,
>  and you're a consultant."
>                                                       -- scott adams
>
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>
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From maks at manichord.com  Tue Jan 10 14:01:26 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:01:26 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+ZDVGPj467-8uGDYmVHrM9tU4QrJoqG3bT7NtZ-8ua7zhDFiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I should have added the commit is:
https://github.com/Wilm0r/giggity/commit/009ae42914e0ed5de7a3961b1d3a7d5bdb6419a6
and its already propagated out to Google Play, don't think its updated
on F-droid yet.

Having a quick play with it, I really like it! (though it would be
nice to be able to switch x-y axis for rooms/times)

Especially given its GPL2 (unlike a previous LCA app) it would be good
to promote this more widely to attendees - perhaps it could be added
to the conference wiki though I'm not sure where - would it make sense
as a subsection on:
https://www.linux.conf.au/wiki/information_for_delegates/ ?

Maks.
----
Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
www.manichord.com


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:27 PM, martin f krafft via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> also sprach Greg Kopff <greg at q10stats.com> [2017-01-05 22:41 +1300]:
>> Is there a mobile app this year?
>
> Use Giggity: https://wilmer.gaa.st/main.php/giggity.html
>
> I've requested for the schedule to be included in the directory, but
> you can also just add https://linux.conf.au/schedule/conference.ics
> manually.
>
> Get it on F-Droid:
> https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.gaast.giggity
> (or your proprietary provider of choice, if you must)
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> "give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. teach a man to
>  fish, and he'll buy a funny hat. talk to a hungry man about fish,
>  and you're a consultant."
>                                                       -- scott adams
>
> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Tue Jan 10 14:52:57 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:52:57 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGrw-L5aY9U71ZqjJNr6TZTJxxNtDHAff6+GrLW6V94itQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f217412b-470f-ffd2-52ba-0e48ac262729@cassaniti.id.au>
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Message-ID: <CALn+=Jo2_3F-SF+Er9L5g6g-zbO9V=6CNycRpS5omRw3iNkQYg@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 January 2017 at 13:35, Daniel Sobey via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> I am also a CACert assurer and can help fill out the documents if needed.
> For those that don't know cacert is a centralized trust system where
> people validate proof of identity to each other. see
> http://www.cacert.org/ for more details.
>
> I would suggest there is not enough time to do this during the key
> signing BOF as we typically use the whole hour. It might make sense to
> run this in the next slot after that if the room is free.
> Michael, would you like to add a CA Cert BOF session to the wiki and
> suggest a time that suites you.

I'm also a CAcert assurer and can provide some extra points.

That said, I would caution anyone who's new to CAcert - CAcert as an
organisation is fundamentally broken, its internal politics are quite
toxic, and I am >95% confident that unless the whole organisation is
essentially rebuilt from scratch, it will never get its root
certificate into a major browser. The utility of its certificates in
practice is limited to those who want to use it to replace using
self-signed certificates especially on internal networks, or those who
want to use it for X509 email among other CAcert users.

I will happily dispense 20 assurance points if desired though :)

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From russell at coker.com.au  Tue Jan 10 16:17:01 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:17:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CALn+=Jo2_3F-SF+Er9L5g6g-zbO9V=6CNycRpS5omRw3iNkQYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAphvGrw-L5aY9U71ZqjJNr6TZTJxxNtDHAff6+GrLW6V94itQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1813722.Nh3QHjB91A@russell.coker.com.au>

On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 2:52:57 PM AEDT Andrew Donnellan via Chat wrote:
> That said, I would caution anyone who's new to CAcert - CAcert as an
> organisation is fundamentally broken, its internal politics are quite
> toxic, and I am >95% confident that unless the whole organisation is
> essentially rebuilt from scratch, it will never get its root
> certificate into a major browser. The utility of its certificates in
> practice is limited to those who want to use it to replace using
> self-signed certificates especially on internal networks, or those who
> want to use it for X509 email among other CAcert users.

Is there interest in a BOF about CACert, self-signed certificates, and other 
solutions to such problems?

-- 
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My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/


From Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au  Tue Jan 10 17:01:54 2017
From: Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au (Mike Lake)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:01:54 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZDVGPQYrixkoao08R6ncxurCUaZwhAGcw7WS9x1m4uch6dWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
 <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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Message-ID: <587478D2.4050800@uts.edu.au>

Nice that the schedule is there but it's got a few quirks.
In block view the column width for the rooms on the left is too narrow.
The timetable view is OK.
I got the abstracts to appear when I touched a talk but took me ages to
work out how to clear that box. Not at all obvious on how to use some
bits of it.

Last years one was definitely more polished.

Mike

On 10/01/17 13:43, Maksim Lin via Chat wrote:
> Thanks for the tip Martin, looks a like a very nicely done and handy
> app, just installed and looks like the author has already acted on
> your request and add lca to the main listing!
>
> Maks.
> ----
> Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
> www.manichord.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:27 PM, martin f krafft via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> also sprach Greg Kopff <greg at q10stats.com> [2017-01-05 22:41 +1300]:
>>> Is there a mobile app this year?
>>
>> Use Giggity: https://wilmer.gaa.st/main.php/giggity.html
>>
>> I've requested for the schedule to be included in the directory, but
>> you can also just add https://linux.conf.au/schedule/conference.ics
>> manually.
>>
>> Get it on F-Droid:
>> https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.gaast.giggity
>> (or your proprietary provider of choice, if you must)
>>
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From maks at manichord.com  Tue Jan 10 18:11:31 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:11:31 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <587478D2.4050800@uts.edu.au>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
 <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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Message-ID: <CA+ZDVGPSE0x4TAT3Fhi6ao4i=gPivPQnyfuEoiKREX-1w340VA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it's not as "pretty" as last years one but it seems to have all the
functionality required.
And since it's open source we can all make it better, I'll try to
contribute an alternative block layout if I get the chance.

Not sure what you mean about not being able to "clear that box"? If you
mean the details view, it's just the back button which is pretty much the
core Android navigation ux.

Maks.

On 10 Jan. 2017 18:04, "Mike Lake via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
wrote:

> Nice that the schedule is there but it's got a few quirks.
> In block view the column width for the rooms on the left is too narrow.
> The timetable view is OK.
> I got the abstracts to appear when I touched a talk but took me ages to
> work out how to clear that box. Not at all obvious on how to use some
> bits of it.
>
> Last years one was definitely more polished.
>
> Mike
>
> On 10/01/17 13:43, Maksim Lin via Chat wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the tip Martin, looks a like a very nicely done and handy
>> app, just installed and looks like the author has already acted on
>> your request and add lca to the main listing!
>>
>> Maks.
>> ----
>> Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
>> www.manichord.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:27 PM, martin f krafft via Chat
>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> also sprach Greg Kopff <greg at q10stats.com> [2017-01-05 22:41 +1300]:
>>>
>>>> Is there a mobile app this year?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Use Giggity: https://wilmer.gaa.st/main.php/giggity.html
>>>
>>> I've requested for the schedule to be included in the directory, but
>>> you can also just add https://linux.conf.au/schedule/conference.ics
>>> manually.
>>>
>>> Get it on F-Droid:
>>> https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.gaast.giggity
>>> (or your proprietary provider of choice, if you must)
>>>
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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Tue Jan 10 20:45:41 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:45:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
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On 10/1/17 14:52, Andrew Donnellan via Chat wrote:
> On 10 January 2017 at 13:35, Daniel Sobey via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> I am also a CACert assurer and can help fill out the documents if needed.
>> For those that don't know cacert is a centralized trust system where
>> people validate proof of identity to each other. see
>> http://www.cacert.org/ for more details.
>>
>> I would suggest there is not enough time to do this during the key
>> signing BOF as we typically use the whole hour. It might make sense to
>> run this in the next slot after that if the room is free.
>> Michael, would you like to add a CA Cert BOF session to the wiki and
>> suggest a time that suites you.
> 
> I'm also a CAcert assurer and can provide some extra points.

Sounds like there will be a few assurers there. If we end up with a few
more in Tas it will be helpful.

kk


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From mike.carden at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 07:36:00 2017
From: mike.carden at gmail.com (Mike Carden)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:36:00 +1100
Subject: [Chat] OHMC attendees
Message-ID: <CAJ+DxurKSZZSBCmi31NXfW6JvQXEMJ6Y=oSb-epWgyVbT0+pKQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know several people have posted here asking whether or not they made the
cut for the OHMC build session.

As one of those who also would like to know if I made it, I can't tell
whether notifications haven't gone out yet (last I heard it would be Monday
the 9th), or if they have only gone out to those who made the cut.

Could we get either a 'sorry you missed out' message for those still
wondering or perhaps a published list of those who did get in?

Ta,
MC
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From madduck at madduck.net  Wed Jan 11 08:21:21 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:21:21 +1300
Subject: [Chat] =?utf-8?q?IRC=2C_Slack=2C_Matrix_=E2=80=94_unified_chat_at?=
 =?utf-8?q?_LCA2017?=
Message-ID: <20170110212121.nx2hi4t2drellc2k@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

Hello there,

tl;dr: use IRC, use Slack, or use Matrix, as per
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/chat/. LCA2017 is the first
LCA to bridge between these three platforms in an attempt to make
sure everyone can chat with everyone.


The longer read:

While IRC has been the traditional chat platform at LCA, people have
recently started using Slack, and while choice is yours, a couple of
us didn't like that there has been a segregation of our community
into cliques.

So we've spent the last few weeks figuring out how to unify the
crowds. We think the solution is called matrix.org
(http://matrix.org). It's the new kid on the block in form of an
open-standard, open-source, federated chat protocol/platform with
all the features you'd expect,? and a couple of bridges available to
connect between the different networks.

Please see https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/chat/ for more
information.

LCA provides a fantastic environment to put this relatively young
project to good use. We deem it ready, and we hope you'll soon be as
excited as we are. Note that we have upstream support, so if
problems pop up, we're not only confident to be able to resolve them
quickly; We'll also contribute to the advancement of this highly
promising platform just by using it!

If you're interested in this sort of thing on the meta-level, pop
into #lca-matrix:matrix.org (bridged to #lca-matrix/freenode), and
do keep an eye out for the unified communications BoF:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/libre-unified-communications/

Scott (faulteh), Ben (sturm), Martin (madduck), and probably others
(if your name belongs here, I'll buy you a beer?)

?) presence, files, voice/video, multi-device, e2e-encryption (which
we don't use), etc.?

PS: There's even an ircd so you could use your IRC client to connect
    to Matrix, join #linux.conf.au:matrix.org, which is bridged to
    IRC, and ?
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From madduck at madduck.net  Wed Jan 11 08:41:14 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:41:14 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <587478D2.4050800@uts.edu.au>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
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also sprach Mike Lake via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> [2017-01-10 19:01 +1300]:
> Nice that the schedule is there but it's got a few quirks.
> In block view the column width for the rooms on the left is too narrow.
> The timetable view is OK.
> I got the abstracts to appear when I touched a talk but took me ages to
> work out how to clear that box. Not at all obvious on how to use some
> bits of it.

This is all valuable feedback. As someone else already pointed out,
it's Free Software? :)

I've asked Wilmer what to do about bug reports and wishlist items.
Obviously, the easiest is to "just" file pull requests on Github:
  https://github.com/Wilm0r/giggity/pulls

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From maks at manichord.com  Wed Jan 11 10:10:44 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:10:44 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <20170110214114.av7l2afmzj6rshwo@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
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Quick fix done: https://github.com/Wilm0r/giggity/pull/7

It makes the LCA sched look much better.

Martin: as you are in direct contact with Wilmer, would you be able to
ask him to enable issues on the GH repo as I'd like to propose and
discuss with him possible changes before actually going ahead and
writing code & submitting PRs...

thanks,
Maks.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, martin f krafft via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> also sprach Mike Lake via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> [2017-01-10 19:01 +1300]:
>> Nice that the schedule is there but it's got a few quirks.
>> In block view the column width for the rooms on the left is too narrow.
>> The timetable view is OK.
>> I got the abstracts to appear when I touched a talk but took me ages to
>> work out how to clear that box. Not at all obvious on how to use some
>> bits of it.
>
> This is all valuable feedback. As someone else already pointed out,
> it's Free Software? :)
>
> I've asked Wilmer what to do about bug reports and wishlist items.
> Obviously, the easiest is to "just" file pull requests on Github:
>   https://github.com/Wilm0r/giggity/pulls
>
> --
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>
> drink canada dry! you might not succeed, but it *is* fun trying.
>
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From andyg at geekscape.org  Wed Jan 11 10:33:22 2017
From: andyg at geekscape.org (Andy Gelme)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:33:22 +1100
Subject: [Chat] OHMC attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+DxurKSZZSBCmi31NXfW6JvQXEMJ6Y=oSb-epWgyVbT0+pKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ+DxurKSZZSBCmi31NXfW6JvQXEMJ6Y=oSb-epWgyVbT0+pKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b68a44e2-ff32-4e08-ad3a-693bc3e0f257@geekscape.org>

hi Mike ... and all OHMC people who registered ...

On 2017-01-11 07:36 , Mike Carden via Chat wrote:
> As one of those who also would like to know if I made it, I can't tell
> whether notifications haven't gone out yet (last I heard it would be
> Monday the 9th), or if they have only gone out to those who made the cut.
>
> Could we get either a 'sorry you missed out' message for those still
> wondering or perhaps a published list of those who did get in?

My sincere apologies for not getting this done in a timely fashion.

Being over-busy ... isn't a good enough excuse for not doing this
sooner, e.g. like I said for Monday 9th.

This is my one and only priority for lunch-time today.

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From madduck at madduck.net  Wed Jan 11 11:56:15 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:56:15 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Mobile App?
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZDVGOEnubUvBSoBbCCvZ9beSB89ONKfNOef8O3nXzK+--HAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
 <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <CA+ZDVGPQYrixkoao08R6ncxurCUaZwhAGcw7WS9x1m4uch6dWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <587478D2.4050800@uts.edu.au>
 <20170110214114.av7l2afmzj6rshwo@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <CA+ZDVGOEnubUvBSoBbCCvZ9beSB89ONKfNOef8O3nXzK+--HAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170111005615.fwlkpkyk6bokdx35@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Maksim Lin <maks at manichord.com> [2017-01-11 12:10 +1300]:
> Quick fix done: https://github.com/Wilm0r/giggity/pull/7

Sweet, thank you! Wilmer already said he's excited and will try to
have an update out before the conf starts.

> Martin: as you are in direct contact with Wilmer, would you be able to
> ask him to enable issues on the GH repo as I'd like to propose and
> discuss with him possible changes before actually going ahead and
> writing code & submitting PRs...

Yeah, he's looking into it. Stay tuned?

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From ftweedal at redhat.com  Wed Jan 11 13:26:53 2017
From: ftweedal at redhat.com (Fraser Tweedale)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:26:53 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170111022653.GV4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>

On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 09:48:49PM +1030, Daniel Sobey via Chat wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Like previous years it i'm planning on running a keysigning BOF session
> during the conference.
> Please submit your gpg key to https://keysigning.xyz/
> 
> For those that don't know a key signing party is a session where we prove
> our identities to each other and confirm that we own that gpg key building
> a web of trust between participants.
> 
> I am planning on holding the event in one of the evening sessions at the
> end of the day on Tuesday or Thursday.
> 
> I hope to have printed lists of fingerprints on the day.
> Organisers, can I ask for you to  print this (happy to pay costs), or do
> you have a suggestion on some where in the city where this can be done.
> Please remember to bring a pen, and photo id and a printed copy of your
> fingerprint on the day.
> Know that the organizer could evil and replaced your key with one they
> control and people could have different versions of the document.
> 
> As the badges now have a free form text field also consider adding your
> fingerprint to your badges so people can take a photo of the badge and sign
> your key.
> 
> I'll update the wiki and this list with a schedule.
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/key_signing/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel Sobey
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1
> 
> iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYc3EcAAoJEADUCMT6nsA1C0EP/jgVUAooxHVvG5GMb913lKTc
> zDwPiQoAxibuLXRgNfGFPvSEmP/7S5EykQvICI2lDldevbYtW0YpVBSxTd78M6K4
> J6B8/6P/eVBf/zX/LPpdgJOEKvc9I+e4WfXu6xWKNx9o1aQXeSuYHkM6I1fkeVVq
> rZDCVQ09jdj87oV1r6IKYFlojQlMVHgr05K6/w6do/pIbgMxLVYkgdyDq1cCJn7J
> ZhLGrdf6K0pMtwyXesQUzUHcW3UO4rEw3CrotntHBrMXpk8E/emFiIji0Y5N6OMH
> +Levl2MlfUBpMTbvi8TkGk5oMYGOtyTFJnmj6U4qou1pNf7E526XEj16ibQkpewe
> yCCJB/wcvVJZDq4RbU9WjPiPfJoR++s0zvCgn82riS66EEX5oTk5jfyurtRxnTmj
> 7CmsfEj2sz1oy8iQiem7X00ujI/fVYzRXu8Nm/fyqpKW0fLu4let/64ACWRFSd6V
> bLbfZbWcS9VT9EEYZLdLzTzJ23mwEmz5HxAyPWByM7Kcsc753hxu+6MzsGLESPPo
> PfXtPhllgpX1UcWzU+mjN96ySxk3F1ktXbqXK7JQnJvh8jjO7ieVkWGy8nnXe+/B
> 6C2Gewdwf1XBGY+FnlTAE9wwzzfxrVo34MDcwzn7RkhBw2vOPc+bC57EjN1h0fFl
> GgrM6EHOtW5UocrDtVnn
> =MWHe
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Daniel, thank you for running the signing party again this year.

It gladdens me to see https://github.com/frasertweedale/pgpsubmit
being used by others :)

Cheers,
Fraser

From lca2017 at darren.cocco.id.au  Wed Jan 11 14:42:26 2017
From: lca2017 at darren.cocco.id.au (Darren Cocco)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:42:26 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Board and card games BoF
Message-ID: <1484106146.3724029.843876152.5DC590C8@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Some people on the IRC channel were interested in playing card games at
random times so I put up a BoF for it here:

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/boardgames-etc/

Add your name to the list if you are interested!

From sjh at svana.org  Wed Jan 11 19:00:10 2017
From: sjh at svana.org (Steven Hanley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 19:00:10 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF
Message-ID: <20170111080010.GX11546@svana.org>

All

Since the Melbourne conference in 2008 there has pretty much been a running
Bof on the conference mornings.

Routes and runs on the days we get a fair number of people can be tailored
to fit.

We run back to meet people so everyone can enjoy the group atmosphere
running.

Last time in Hobart (2009) there as a bit of inclusion of the stairs up to
the accommodation and some running up to the trails above too.

This year we may try to do at least one flatter run in to town.

Anyway I put a BoF page up

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/running/

Due to the PDNS breakfast on Monday it may be under attended or similar.
Also Tuesday Matthew and I will be heaidng out to do something rather long,
hilly and stupid [0] so will miss out that morning too.

Those who rock up can choose a route.

This being Hobart there will be some climbing (at least to get back to
breakfast if nothing else), as tey say about hobart, if you feet aren't wet
you are standing on a hill.

Fun will be had I am sure.

Steve

[0] 27km loop taking in the top of Mt Wellington, with a 2km warm up and
warm down to the start point from the normal BoF start point. I suspect we
will be kicking off a bit before 5am with head torches so as to be back in
time for Pia's keynote (yes we hope ot be able to do 3 hours for the run
itself)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/kunanyiloop/
https://www.strava.com/activities/825921436

-- 
Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
when i look around, i think this, this is good enough, and i try to laugh
at whatever life brings, cuz when i look down, i just miss all the good stuff
when i look up, i just trip over things
   As Is - Little Plastic Castle - Ani

From brong at fastmail.fm  Wed Jan 11 20:00:53 2017
From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:00:53 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF
In-Reply-To: <20170111080010.GX11546@svana.org>
References: <20170111080010.GX11546@svana.org>
Message-ID: <1484125253.2108352.844050800.0B7987F1@webmail.messagingengine.com>

There's a run happening the day before too apparently.  I'm planning to show up at 8am with a my running gear and see if I can get a bib for the 10km.  I figure on zero training that's about the maximum I can safely do... 27km is right out :(

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, at 19:00, Steven Hanley via Chat wrote:
> All
> 
> Since the Melbourne conference in 2008 there has pretty much been a running
> Bof on the conference mornings.
> 
> Routes and runs on the days we get a fair number of people can be tailored
> to fit.
> 
> We run back to meet people so everyone can enjoy the group atmosphere
> running.
> 
> Last time in Hobart (2009) there as a bit of inclusion of the stairs up to
> the accommodation and some running up to the trails above too.
> 
> This year we may try to do at least one flatter run in to town.
> 
> Anyway I put a BoF page up
> 
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/running/
> 
> Due to the PDNS breakfast on Monday it may be under attended or similar.
> Also Tuesday Matthew and I will be heaidng out to do something rather long,
> hilly and stupid [0] so will miss out that morning too.
> 
> Those who rock up can choose a route.
> 
> This being Hobart there will be some climbing (at least to get back to
> breakfast if nothing else), as tey say about hobart, if you feet aren't wet
> you are standing on a hill.
> 
> Fun will be had I am sure.
> 
> Steve
> 
> [0] 27km loop taking in the top of Mt Wellington, with a 2km warm up and
> warm down to the start point from the normal BoF start point. I suspect we
> will be kicking off a bit before 5am with head torches so as to be back in
> time for Pia's keynote (yes we hope ot be able to do 3 hours for the run
> itself)
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/kunanyiloop/
> https://www.strava.com/activities/825921436
> 
> -- 
> Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
> when i look around, i think this, this is good enough, and i try to laugh
> at whatever life brings, cuz when i look down, i just miss all the good stuff
> when i look up, i just trip over things
>    As Is - Little Plastic Castle - Ani
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


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From craige at mcwhirter.com.au  Wed Jan 11 20:17:27 2017
From: craige at mcwhirter.com.au (Craige McWhirter)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 19:17:27 +1000
Subject: [Chat] 
 =?utf-8?q?IRC=2C_Slack=2C_Matrix_=E2=80=94_unified_chat_a?=
 =?utf-8?q?t_LCA2017?=
In-Reply-To: <20170110212121.nx2hi4t2drellc2k@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170110212121.nx2hi4t2drellc2k@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <20170111091727.b6smzk526k36bhba@archer.mcwhirter.io>

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:21:21 +1300, martin f krafft via Chat wrote:

> tl;dr: use IRC, use Slack, or use Matrix, as per
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/chat/. LCA2017 is the first
> LCA to bridge between these three platforms in an attempt to make
> sure everyone can chat with everyone.

...to add the ease of integration, for those of us who live and work in IRC,
some IRC clients, WeeChat for example, have excellent Matrix plug ins (some of
them even support Matrix's (optional) end to end encryption) that allow you to
connect natively to IRC and Matrix from the one application.

I quite enjoy the Riot.im Android application for Matrix. Certainly better than
any mobile IRC clients I've experienced.

As a chromic self-hoster, I'm also in the process of switching out my venerable
ZNC IRC bouncer for a Matrix instance instead.

--
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Wed Jan 11 20:38:29 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:38:29 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've added an Astronomy BoF page to the wiki -
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/

If you're interested in attending and/or have an idea for what we could do,
please add your details.


Cheers,

Jessica
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From madduck at madduck.net  Wed Jan 11 20:48:11 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:48:11 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Giggity issue tracker on Github online (was:  Mobile App?)
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZDVGOEnubUvBSoBbCCvZ9beSB89ONKfNOef8O3nXzK+--HAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8463452A-DF90-434E-8086-0A3089F90885@q10stats.com>
 <20170110012750.iwm6ybmr4do32lrk@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <CA+ZDVGPQYrixkoao08R6ncxurCUaZwhAGcw7WS9x1m4uch6dWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <587478D2.4050800@uts.edu.au>
 <20170110214114.av7l2afmzj6rshwo@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <CA+ZDVGOEnubUvBSoBbCCvZ9beSB89ONKfNOef8O3nXzK+--HAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170111094811.fr3invmhixjs2viz@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Maksim Lin <maks at manichord.com> [2017-01-11 12:10 +1300]:
> Martin: as you are in direct contact with Wilmer, would you be able to
> ask him to enable issues on the GH repo as I'd like to propose and
> discuss with him possible changes before actually going ahead and
> writing code & submitting PRs...

Wilmer enabled the tracker?

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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Wed Jan 11 21:50:44 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:50:44 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwemnRv-RG5JPnw-o-zGwJOvUxYvgnrGFodbVnEJz3_ORHJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jessica,

Here's some ideas:

- Radio telescope & museum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pleasant_Radio_Observatory
- The Mt Canopus Observatory (which may or may not still be open, I'm
not sure): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopus_Hill_Observatory

--Chris

On 11 January 2017 at 20:38, Jessica Smith via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've added an Astronomy BoF page to the wiki -
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/
>
> If you're interested in attending and/or have an idea for what we could do,
> please add your details.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jessica
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



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From peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au  Wed Jan 11 22:43:30 2017
From: peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au (Peter Hardy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:43:30 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF
In-Reply-To: <20170111080010.GX11546@svana.org>
References: <20170111080010.GX11546@svana.org>
Message-ID: <961d8d9b9af89e4b41f4fd749f5d8b1b@hardy.dropbear.id.au>

I'm staying at Wrest Point, and rather than struggle up the hill before
starting a run will be going for short, slowish runs as close to the
waterfront as I can manage. 

On 2017-01-11 19:00, Steven Hanley via Chat wrote:

> All
> 
> Since the Melbourne conference in 2008 there has pretty much been a running
> Bof on the conference mornings.
> 
> Routes and runs on the days we get a fair number of people can be tailored
> to fit.
> 
> We run back to meet people so everyone can enjoy the group atmosphere
> running.
> 
> Last time in Hobart (2009) there as a bit of inclusion of the stairs up to
> the accommodation and some running up to the trails above too.
> 
> This year we may try to do at least one flatter run in to town.
> 
> Anyway I put a BoF page up
> 
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/running/
> 
> Due to the PDNS breakfast on Monday it may be under attended or similar.
> Also Tuesday Matthew and I will be heaidng out to do something rather long,
> hilly and stupid [0] so will miss out that morning too.
> 
> Those who rock up can choose a route.
> 
> This being Hobart there will be some climbing (at least to get back to
> breakfast if nothing else), as tey say about hobart, if you feet aren't wet
> you are standing on a hill.
> 
> Fun will be had I am sure.
> 
> Steve
> 
> [0] 27km loop taking in the top of Mt Wellington, with a 2km warm up and
> warm down to the start point from the normal BoF start point. I suspect we
> will be kicking off a bit before 5am with head torches so as to be back in
> time for Pia's keynote (yes we hope ot be able to do 3 hours for the run
> itself)
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/kunanyiloop/
> https://www.strava.com/activities/825921436
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From maks at manichord.com  Thu Jan 12 12:05:24 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:05:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] speakers not included in ics schedule file
Message-ID: <CA+ZDVGP-11tr2u3ktwWHHam4CuLJZLVvk=Dx1z83h_8yNHvazg@mail.gmail.com>

I just noticed that the ics file doesn't include the speaker - would
it be possible to get that added either as an attendee field
(http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/ical/attendee.html) or prepended/appended
to the description?

thanks,
Maks.

----
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www.manichord.com

From andyg at geekscape.org  Thu Jan 12 13:07:12 2017
From: andyg at geekscape.org (Andy Gelme)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:07:12 +1100
Subject: [Chat] OHMC attendees
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+DxurKSZZSBCmi31NXfW6JvQXEMJ6Y=oSb-epWgyVbT0+pKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ+DxurKSZZSBCmi31NXfW6JvQXEMJ6Y=oSb-epWgyVbT0+pKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7274ec82-0380-1857-4200-c92058ce0ed4@geekscape.org>

hi All,

On 2017-01-11 07:36 , Mike Carden via Chat wrote:
> I know several people have posted here asking whether or not they made
> the cut for the OHMC build session.

Email notifications have now been sent to everyone who registered, both
successfully and (sadly) unsuccessfully.

If you registered and haven't received an email, please contact me.

Thanks everyone for being so patient.

Everything is coming together now ... the production hardware arrived
from Shenzhen last night ... and there is good progress on firmware
development.  The ESP32 is a relatively new chip with a good, but still
green operating system, peripheral and network firmware stack.

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OOO  --  andyg at geekscape.org  --  http://twitter.com/geekscape --


From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Thu Jan 12 13:14:05 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:14:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] speakers not included in ics schedule file
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZDVGP-11tr2u3ktwWHHam4CuLJZLVvk=Dx1z83h_8yNHvazg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ZDVGP-11tr2u3ktwWHHam4CuLJZLVvk=Dx1z83h_8yNHvazg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwem=vZ2gRvPu1NqC4So29SDoJH4esfvxtnO52=0XDFJ0dxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Maksim,

Given we're close to the conference, we're all pretty low on time and
need to focus on delivering the conference.

The good news is that the conference software is open source (Python)
and the view you're looking for is at
https://github.com/lca2017/symposion/blob/lca2017/symposion/schedule/views.py#L265
-- we'll gladly merge PRs that fix this :)

--Chris

On 12 January 2017 at 12:05, Maksim Lin via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> I just noticed that the ics file doesn't include the speaker - would
> it be possible to get that added either as an attendee field
> (http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/ical/attendee.html) or prepended/appended
> to the description?
>
> thanks,
> Maks.
>
> ----
> Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
> www.manichord.com
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer

Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --
WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn

From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Jan 12 13:22:40 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:22:40 +1300
Subject: [Chat] 
 =?utf-8?q?IRC=2C_Slack=2C_Matrix_=E2=80=94_unified_chat_a?=
 =?utf-8?q?t_LCA2017?=
In-Reply-To: <20170111091727.b6smzk526k36bhba@archer.mcwhirter.io>
References: <20170110212121.nx2hi4t2drellc2k@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <20170111091727.b6smzk526k36bhba@archer.mcwhirter.io>
Message-ID: <20170112022240.cqvw4x2zgokn4p5c@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Craige McWhirter via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> [2017-01-11 22:17 +1300]:
> ...to add the ease of integration, for those of us who live and
> work in IRC, some IRC clients, WeeChat for example, have excellent
> Matrix plug ins (some of them even support Matrix's (optional) end
> to end encryption) that allow you to connect natively to IRC and
> Matrix from the one application.

There's also a matrix-ircd:

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-ircd

If you're too lazy to set it up (it requires Rust nightlies), let me
know and I can give you access to my instance (without guarantees)?

To me, this means that I can remain the IRC guy (yes, lamby, here's
the XKCD reference?) and interact with all the teams using Slack,
via Matrix. And I get to benefit from Matrix and specifically Riot
for the channels of my choosing. It's quite awesome. Happy to
demonstrate at LCA if you hit me up?

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
obviously i was either onto something, or on something.
                               -- larry wall on the creation of perl
 
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From chair at hobart.lca2017.org  Thu Jan 12 17:08:37 2017
From: chair at hobart.lca2017.org (Christopher Neugebauer (linux.conf.au 2017))
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:08:37 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Join us as session staff!
Message-ID: <CABRwemmGJYf4Y5Qdp5VpEOTU8vWCgCMBjbzLOg96gNXOh9QSHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello there!

The linux.conf.au 2017 schedule is now online (https://linux.conf.au/, and
you might notice a funny line of text on some of the talks from
Wednesday-Friday:

[image: Inline images 1]

It says "Volunteer". If you click on it, you can sign up to be a "Session
Chair".

Session chairing is a small but very important volunteer role, where you
introduce presenters, keep presentations to time, and help facilitate Q&A
alongside one of our registered volunteers.

Each "Session" goes for two talks in the same room, between two breaks.
You'll get to see the entirety of the two talks that you sign up to chair.

If you've any questions about this, feel free to send me an e-mail,
otherwise, go forth and sign up for sessions!

--Chris

-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>

Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend




-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>

Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Thu Jan 12 17:11:29 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:11:29 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org>

On Tue, 2017-01-03 at 14:09 +1100, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> On Wednesday 18/1/2017, I'll be running a workshop on home automation:
> https://linux.conf.au/schedule/presentation/16/
> 
> 
> The workshop will walk you through the basics of prototyping
> electronics, scripting with Lua and communicating with MQTT.
> 
> You will need to bring a laptop, and you must have all the
> prerequisites installed and ready to go (we have a lot of ground to
> cover, but if you get stuck, you can chase me up on Monday/Tuesday for
> assistance).
> 


Hi folks,

Just a reminder, if you want to do this workshop, you must do the
following:
1. Reserve a hardware kit here ($40): http://bit.ly/2hMggol
2. Install all the prerequisites, if you don't, you won't have enough
time to complete the workshop.

We currently have 33 attendees, and 12 free seats. I've conscripted
some of my colleagues at IBM's Ozlabs to assist with the workshop, so
I'd like to express my gratitude to them:
 - Andrew Donellan
 - Chris Smart
 - Daniel Axtens
 - Oliver Ohalloran
 - Rashmica Gupta
 - Suraj Singh
 
Between us, I'm sure we can make sure that everyone attending can
receive prompt assistance when they need it.


Prerequisites
=============

You can clone the following git repo, which has the workshop contents,
prerequisites, and instructions (if you are the type who likes to read
ahead). I updated the contents today to make things easier to follow,
so please pull those changes.
https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

The prerequisites are currently available for Windows x64 & Linux x64.
If you have something else, I'm happy to accept a pull request with the
alternate software & instructions.

I have added an "Installed Prerequisites" column to the reservation
spreadsheet - please update that against your name once you installed
the necessary software.


Extra Modules
=============

At this point, I only have enough extra modules for 1 per person (even
if you requested 2), as I have to give priority to kits for workshop
attendees.



Cheers,


--?
Alastair D'Silva???????????mob: 0423 762 819
skype: alastair_dsilva????
Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org

From chair at hobart.lca2017.org  Thu Jan 12 19:08:14 2017
From: chair at hobart.lca2017.org (Christopher Neugebauer (linux.conf.au 2017))
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:08:14 +1100
Subject: [Chat] 
	=?utf-8?q?IRC=2C_Slack=2C_Matrix_=E2=80=94_unified_chat_a?=
	=?utf-8?q?t_LCA2017?=
In-Reply-To: <20170110212121.nx2hi4t2drellc2k@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170110212121.nx2hi4t2drellc2k@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <CABRwem=v8uNc1ax710PMetN0zngpY4K2kwHm6vf3P+WncjTsKg@mail.gmail.com>

On 11 January 2017 at 08:21, martin f krafft via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> If you're interested in this sort of thing on the meta-level, pop
> into #lca-matrix:matrix.org (bridged to #lca-matrix/freenode), and
> do keep an eye out for the unified communications BoF:
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/libre-unified-communications/
>
> Scott (faulteh), Ben (sturm), Martin (madduck), and probably others
> (if your name belongs here, I'll buy you a beer?)
>

Hey madduck et al,

Thanks for putting in so much effort for making this happen and
providing our attendees with a great new *free* way to communicate
with each other.

We on the organising team just wish to point out to everyone else that
this effort is *not* an official effort of the conference, but we're
really excited by what we see, and offer all the encouragement in this
progress in making open, standardised chat protocols a thing that
everyone wants to use again :)

--Chris

-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>

Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend

From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Thu Jan 12 19:55:35 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:55:35 +1100
Subject: [Chat] speakers not included in ics schedule file
In-Reply-To: <CABRwem=vZ2gRvPu1NqC4So29SDoJH4esfvxtnO52=0XDFJ0dxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ZDVGP-11tr2u3ktwWHHam4CuLJZLVvk=Dx1z83h_8yNHvazg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRwem=vZ2gRvPu1NqC4So29SDoJH4esfvxtnO52=0XDFJ0dxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93e118b137cd67e885538f9cf6bef638@scriptforge.org>

We had a couple of pull requests submitted today that fixed a few things 
with the ICS file (thanks to James Polley for sending them our way).

If you grab a new version of the ics file now you should see some 
speaker details on the proposal as well as slots that had no name or 
description should now be fixed.

Cheers
Scott Bragg

On 2017-01-12 13:14, Christopher Neugebauer via Chat wrote:
> Hey Maksim,
> 
> Given we're close to the conference, we're all pretty low on time and
> need to focus on delivering the conference.
> 
> The good news is that the conference software is open source (Python)
> and the view you're looking for is at
> https://github.com/lca2017/symposion/blob/lca2017/symposion/schedule/views.py#L265
> -- we'll gladly merge PRs that fix this :)
> 
> --Chris
> 
> On 12 January 2017 at 12:05, Maksim Lin via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> I just noticed that the ics file doesn't include the speaker - would
>> it be possible to get that added either as an attendee field
>> (http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/ical/attendee.html) or prepended/appended
>> to the description?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Maks.
>> 
>> ----
>> Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
>> www.manichord.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

-- 
--
Scott Bragg


From relwalretep at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 20:12:41 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:12:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] speakers not included in ics schedule file
In-Reply-To: <93e118b137cd67e885538f9cf6bef638@scriptforge.org>
References: <CA+ZDVGP-11tr2u3ktwWHHam4CuLJZLVvk=Dx1z83h_8yNHvazg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRwem=vZ2gRvPu1NqC4So29SDoJH4esfvxtnO52=0XDFJ0dxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <93e118b137cd67e885538f9cf6bef638@scriptforge.org>
Message-ID: <CAG73kvVMcG1yqKRedAJoOmk9Hd+c0L9UA7fdVm+pHUAX2GGf2w@mail.gmail.com>

I dunno if it's just me, but it feels like the organising committee are
making a big effort to open source as many technical resources required to
organise and run the conference.

In a few places, I've encountered minor issues. But nothing really
difficult enough that's stoped me from wanting what I've needed to do, but
unfortunately also nothing that's inspired me to fix up any code.

Having said all that, I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank them
and tell them publically before the conference starts that, even if no one
else does, I deeply appreciate the efforts made on this.

Cheers,

Pete.

P.

On 12 Jan. 2017 19:55, "Scott Bragg via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> We had a couple of pull requests submitted today that fixed a few things
> with the ICS file (thanks to James Polley for sending them our way).
>
> If you grab a new version of the ics file now you should see some speaker
> details on the proposal as well as slots that had no name or description
> should now be fixed.
>
> Cheers
> Scott Bragg
>
> On 2017-01-12 13:14, Christopher Neugebauer via Chat wrote:
>
>> Hey Maksim,
>>
>> Given we're close to the conference, we're all pretty low on time and
>> need to focus on delivering the conference.
>>
>> The good news is that the conference software is open source (Python)
>> and the view you're looking for is at
>> https://github.com/lca2017/symposion/blob/lca2017/symposion/
>> schedule/views.py#L265
>> -- we'll gladly merge PRs that fix this :)
>>
>> --Chris
>>
>> On 12 January 2017 at 12:05, Maksim Lin via Chat
>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I just noticed that the ics file doesn't include the speaker - would
>>> it be possible to get that added either as an attendee field
>>> (http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/ical/attendee.html) or prepended/appended
>>> to the description?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Maks.
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
>>> www.manichord.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
> --
> --
> Scott Bragg
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From maks at manichord.com  Thu Jan 12 21:56:25 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:56:25 +1100
Subject: [Chat] speakers not included in ics schedule file
In-Reply-To: <93e118b137cd67e885538f9cf6bef638@scriptforge.org>
References: <CA+ZDVGP-11tr2u3ktwWHHam4CuLJZLVvk=Dx1z83h_8yNHvazg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRwem=vZ2gRvPu1NqC4So29SDoJH4esfvxtnO52=0XDFJ0dxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <93e118b137cd67e885538f9cf6bef638@scriptforge.org>
Message-ID: <CA+ZDVGMWCveWqbcncCBpDkLbCcN3+FDB6Pu+zQpJwGPpAk-K0A@mail.gmail.com>

That's great, thank you!
Yes I can see the speakers now, it's perfect timing, thanks again! that
makes the app very nice to use, to go through and browse the schedule and
bookmark the talks I'd like to go see.

Maks.

On 12 Jan. 2017 20:50, "Scott Bragg via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> We had a couple of pull requests submitted today that fixed a few things
> with the ICS file (thanks to James Polley for sending them our way).
>
> If you grab a new version of the ics file now you should see some speaker
> details on the proposal as well as slots that had no name or description
> should now be fixed.
>
> Cheers
> Scott Bragg
>
> On 2017-01-12 13:14, Christopher Neugebauer via Chat wrote:
>
>> Hey Maksim,
>>
>> Given we're close to the conference, we're all pretty low on time and
>> need to focus on delivering the conference.
>>
>> The good news is that the conference software is open source (Python)
>> and the view you're looking for is at
>> https://github.com/lca2017/symposion/blob/lca2017/symposion/
>> schedule/views.py#L265
>> -- we'll gladly merge PRs that fix this :)
>>
>> --Chris
>>
>> On 12 January 2017 at 12:05, Maksim Lin via Chat
>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I just noticed that the ics file doesn't include the speaker - would
>>> it be possible to get that added either as an attendee field
>>> (http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/ical/attendee.html) or prepended/appended
>>> to the description?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Maks.
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
>>> www.manichord.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
> --
> --
> Scott Bragg
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From madduck at madduck.net  Fri Jan 13 13:35:52 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:35:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
Message-ID: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

Hey,

is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
maybe a few included minutes.

I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
 
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Fri Jan 13 13:36:11 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:36:11 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>

On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 17:11 +1100, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:

> Prerequisites
> =============
> 
> You can clone the following git repo, which has the workshop
> contents,
> prerequisites, and instructions (if you are the type who likes to
> read
> ahead). I updated the contents today to make things easier to follow,
> so please pull those changes.
> https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git
> 
> The prerequisites are currently available for Windows x64 & Linux
> x64.
> If you have something else, I'm happy to accept a pull request with
> the
> alternate software & instructions.
> 
> I have added an "Installed Prerequisites" column to the reservation
> spreadsheet - please update that against your name once you installed
> the necessary software.
> 

I've simplified the prerequisites to remove the components that are
already available in the git repo.

Here is what you need to do:

All
===

- Download or clone a copy of the workshop repository to your home
  directory, from https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop
	git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/crosstool-ng.git
		
- If you have a firewall enabled, allow traffic on port 1883 (MQTT)

- Install NodeJS 4 (not 3 or 5). A Windows installer is saved in
  esp-workshop/windows_x64
	https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/
		
- Install NodeRed from
	http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html
	
Windows
=======
	
- Install CH341 Windows Drivers from esp-workshop/windows_x64/drivers 	
	
- Install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE)
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html



Linux
=====
- Install Mosquitto (Fedora: dnf install mosquitto,				
Debian/Ubuntu: apt-get install mosquitto)

- Install java (Fedora: dnf install java, Debian/Ubuntu:
			apt-get install default-jre)

- Add your user the the dialout group so you can access the serial port
	(edit /etc/group or
	sudo gpasswd -a ${USER} dialout && newgrp dialout)


Hopefully this makes life easier for those who are attending.		
	

A copy of these instructions, and the workshop instructions are
available in the git repo in the "tutorials" directory.


Happy hacking :)


-- 
Alastair D'Silva ? ? ? ? ? mob: 0423 762 819
skype: alastair_dsilva ? ?
Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org


From steven.sykes at canterbury.ac.nz  Fri Jan 13 14:05:41 2017
From: steven.sykes at canterbury.ac.nz (Steven Sykes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:05:41 +0000
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <8ywqgpxxxvdci1enabkqyyg5.1484276676334@email.android.com>

I grabbed an Optus SIM at Melbourne airport. 12GB, unlimited text and calls to Aussie numbers and unlimited calls to NZ. From memory I think it was $20

Cheers,

Steven


-------- Original message --------
From: martin f krafft via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Date: 13/01/17 13:50 (GMT+10:00)
To: lca2017 chat list <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?

Hey,

is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
maybe a few included minutes.

I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.

--
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/

never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net

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From techman83 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 14:46:40 2017
From: techman83 at gmail.com (Leon Wright)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:46:40 +0800
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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Martin,

The Woolie's SIM cards appear reasonable value from my experience. They
also use Telstra's network, so coverage is good.

https://mobile.woolworths.com.au/prepaid.html

There are cheaper providers, but judging by the issues with speed/coverage
friends have had I'd steer clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_mobile_virtual_network_operators

Disclaimer: Never used any of them personally + not from Hobart

Leon

--
DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.'

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, martin f krafft via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
> plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
> Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
> maybe a few included minutes.
>
> I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
>
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>
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From maks at manichord.com  Fri Jan 13 14:49:44 2017
From: maks at manichord.com (Maksim Lin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:49:44 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ZDVGMzPj7PYOvcVnyhrsjqnZOTm01azN++6e=M1J52jVvnPg@mail.gmail.com>

In australia, Vodafone *is* the underdog.

all 3 carriers would have comparable prepaid sims and there are a
bunch of " virtual telcos" too like virgin, etc that use one of the 3
actual telcos networks.
----
Maksim Lin -- Freelance Android Developer
www.manichord.com


On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:35 PM, martin f krafft via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
> plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
> Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
> maybe a few included minutes.
>
> I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
>
> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>

From abartlet at samba.org  Fri Jan 13 14:52:32 2017
From: abartlet at samba.org (Andrew Bartlett)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:52:32 +1300
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>

On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 13:35 +1100, martin f krafft via Chat wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
> plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
> Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
> maybe a few included minutes.
> 
> I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.

Amaysim's plan is pretty good because you get the 500MB data and can
call anywhere with the $19.90 so you are not stuck to the 'included'
countries: https://www.amaysim.com.au/plans/mobile-plans/flexi

Andrew Bartlett
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From willy6545 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 15:35:58 2017
From: willy6545 at gmail.com (Matthew Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <8ywqgpxxxvdci1enabkqyyg5.1484276676334@email.android.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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Message-ID: <CAFhKne-=KZVrN5LShromCCChTQyO1r_Tu1z3wH84Q4VhC3P8ig@mail.gmail.com>

I'd second the Optus advice. I got mine in Sydney airport and it was a
special airport deal. I saw an advert on Tuesday on my way to Brisbane that
had the $30 SIM on sale for $15, so things may have changed. You have to
show your passport to prove you're a foreigner.

On Jan 13, 2017 13:36, "Steven Sykes via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I grabbed an Optus SIM at Melbourne airport. 12GB, unlimited text and
> calls to Aussie numbers and unlimited calls to NZ. From memory I think it
> was $20
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steven
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: martin f krafft via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Date: 13/01/17 13:50 (GMT+10:00)
> To: lca2017 chat list <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
>
> Hey,
>
> is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
> plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
> Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
> maybe a few included minutes.
>
> I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
>
> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>
>
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Fri Jan 13 15:49:14 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:49:14 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <CAGHRBmSXPhLZaWH1g-B75vrodRcy-K+SjHuCADrU4HKaMHkpUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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Message-ID: <CALn+=JrXkn13WuZB_3P60vw57Kjc_AZjRxkQgE0SV6AEwQYNyw@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 January 2017 at 14:46, Leon Wright via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Martin,
>
> The Woolie's SIM cards appear reasonable value from my experience. They also
> use Telstra's network, so coverage is good.

If you're planning to travel around Tasmania coverage may be more of
an issue than on the mainland - last time I was in Tasmania (May last
year) my Nexus 5 could barely pick up the Optus signal in central
Devonport, though Hobart was fine.

At least one of my Tasmanian friends assured me she's never had an
issue with her Optus coverage, so it's quite possible I was just
unlucky with phone-specific issues or something.


-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From techman83 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 15:57:10 2017
From: techman83 at gmail.com (Leon Wright)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:57:10 +0800
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <CALn+=JrXkn13WuZB_3P60vw57Kjc_AZjRxkQgE0SV6AEwQYNyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Andrew Donnellan <andrew at donnellan.id.au>
 wrote:

> At least one of my Tasmanian friends assured me she's never had an
> issue with her Optus coverage, so it's quite possible I was just
> unlucky with phone-specific issues or something.
>

Radio compatibility can be the kicker. So check your device against
Telstra/Optus/Vodafone and pick an MNVO or Carrier that is compatible.

This site is pretty great for such things: https://www.frequencycheck.com/

Leon
--
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From marc at merlins.org  Fri Jan 13 16:01:27 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:01:27 -0800
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <8ywqgpxxxvdci1enabkqyyg5.1484276676334@email.android.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <8ywqgpxxxvdci1enabkqyyg5.1484276676334@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <20170113050127.rd7oycy2tzi4h55b@merlins.org>

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 03:05:41AM +0000, Steven Sykes via Chat wrote:
> I grabbed an Optus SIM at Melbourne airport. 12GB, unlimited text and
> calls to Aussie numbers and unlimited calls to NZ. From memory I think
> it was $20

Just as a heads up, 12MB will last you barely a day on the average
smartphone if you don't turn data off immediately.

Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP 1024R/763BE901

From marc at merlins.org  Fri Jan 13 16:02:17 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:02:17 -0800
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113050127.rd7oycy2tzi4h55b@merlins.org>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <8ywqgpxxxvdci1enabkqyyg5.1484276676334@email.android.com>
 <20170113050127.rd7oycy2tzi4h55b@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20170113050217.ufg5otktair2xfxr@merlins.org>

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 09:01:27PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 03:05:41AM +0000, Steven Sykes via Chat wrote:
> > I grabbed an Optus SIM at Melbourne airport. 12GB, unlimited text and
> > calls to Aussie numbers and unlimited calls to NZ. From memory I think
> > it was $20
> 
> Just as a heads up, 12MB will last you barely a day on the average
> smartphone if you don't turn data off immediately.

Doh, that was 12GB, not 12MB.
Sorry, if they actually give you 12GB, that's super generous and more
than plenty.

Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP 1024R/763BE901

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 16:09:18 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:09:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconf Day Tickets
Message-ID: <20056e15-1209-dfc1-846d-b9c55d680535@gmail.com>

Hi!
I hear there are day tickets available for $100. A friend has created an 
account on the site and is trying to buy one for the Tuesday, but he 
can't seem to find where such a ticket is available.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Cheers,

Pete.

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 16:49:59 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:49:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconf Day Tickets
In-Reply-To: <20056e15-1209-dfc1-846d-b9c55d680535@gmail.com>
References: <20056e15-1209-dfc1-846d-b9c55d680535@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e53fedf0-0b5e-db72-a24b-52d352a423f9@gmail.com>



On 13/01/17 16:09, Peter Lawler wrote:
> Hi!
> I hear there are day tickets available for $100. A friend has created an
> account on the site and is trying to buy one for the Tuesday, but he
> can't seem to find where such a ticket is available.
>
> Can anyone enlighten me?
FYI the solution is to email team at lca2017.org.au [1]

P.

[1] https://twitter.com/chrisjrn/status/819776567026954242

From mail at simon.green  Fri Jan 13 16:53:44 2017
From: mail at simon.green (Simon Green)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:53:44 +1300
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>
Message-ID: <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>

On 13/01/17 16:52, Andrew Bartlett via Chat wrote:
> Amaysim's plan is pretty good because you get the 500MB data and can
> call anywhere with the $19.90 so you are not stuck to the 'included'
> countries: https://www.amaysim.com.au/plans/mobile-plans/flexi

+1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. They also have plans that
has unlimited calls to 11 countries (including Australia, New Zealand
and USA and UK), SMS to 30 countries, and data:

1.5 GB for $24.90/28d
3 GB for $29.90/28d
7 GB for $39.90, or
9 GB for $49.90

https://www.amaysim.com.au/plans/mobile-plans

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From madduck at madduck.net  Fri Jan 13 16:57:28 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:57:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>
 <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
Message-ID: <20170113055728.k6zgsnculkuwpseu@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Simon Green <mail at simon.green> [2017-01-13 16:53 +1100]:
> +1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. ?

? and have one of the crappiest activation processes I've seen.
You'd think an open-source hacker for 22 years should be able to get
online without much trouble, right? ;)

(actually seems like they have "technical problems" right now.)

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
"i've got a bike,
 you can ride it if you like,
 it's got a basket. a bell that rings, and things to make it look good.
 i'd give it to you if i could,
 but i borrowed it."
                                                -- syd barrett, 1967
 
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net


From chrisjrn at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 17:12:06 2017
From: chrisjrn at gmail.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:12:06 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconf Day Tickets
In-Reply-To: <20056e15-1209-dfc1-846d-b9c55d680535@gmail.com>
References: <20056e15-1209-dfc1-846d-b9c55d680535@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwemnWdtx7Nv2-BdM7RE8vYq6BqrW0R17SR3vf2n_=UZH81w@mail.gmail.com>

Single day tickets are available on request to the conference organisers.

--Chris

On 13 Jan. 2017 5:06 pm, "Peter Lawler via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi!
> I hear there are day tickets available for $100. A friend has created an
> account on the site and is trying to buy one for the Tuesday, but he can't
> seem to find where such a ticket is available.
>
> Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete.
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From jpwilson at google.com  Fri Jan 13 17:47:46 2017
From: jpwilson at google.com (Jon Wilson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:47:46 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113055728.k6zgsnculkuwpseu@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>
 <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
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Message-ID: <CALu6Hy8PkG51gdcE3E=uHQmykvEeJodgCJgjP7bwDyu+zX5b-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Aldi mobile.

On 13 Jan. 2017 16:57, "martin f krafft via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> also sprach Simon Green <mail at simon.green> [2017-01-13 16:53 +1100]:
> > +1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. ?
>
> ? and have one of the crappiest activation processes I've seen.
> You'd think an open-source hacker for 22 years should be able to get
> online without much trouble, right? ;)
>
> (actually seems like they have "technical problems" right now.)
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> "i've got a bike,
>  you can ride it if you like,
>  it's got a basket. a bell that rings, and things to make it look good.
>  i'd give it to you if i could,
>  but i borrowed it."
>                                                 -- syd barrett, 1967
>
> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:06:49 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:06:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <CALu6Hy8PkG51gdcE3E=uHQmykvEeJodgCJgjP7bwDyu+zX5b-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>
 <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
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Message-ID: <CAG73kvXOdqEQA3ZMRLpYjF94hJkydbg1nanjFz96TKM37t6wXA@mail.gmail.com>

There's an Aldi in Tasmania?

On 13 Jan. 2017 17:48, "Jon Wilson via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Aldi mobile.
>
> On 13 Jan. 2017 16:57, "martin f krafft via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> also sprach Simon Green <mail at simon.green> [2017-01-13 16:53 +1100]:
>> > +1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. ?
>>
>> ? and have one of the crappiest activation processes I've seen.
>> You'd think an open-source hacker for 22 years should be able to get
>> online without much trouble, right? ;)
>>
>> (actually seems like they have "technical problems" right now.)
>>
>> --
>> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>>
>> "i've got a bike,
>>  you can ride it if you like,
>>  it's got a basket. a bell that rings, and things to make it look good.
>>  i'd give it to you if i could,
>>  but i borrowed it."
>>                                                 -- syd barrett, 1967
>>
>> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From chrisjrn at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:38:35 2017
From: chrisjrn at gmail.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:38:35 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <CALu6Hy8PkG51gdcE3E=uHQmykvEeJodgCJgjP7bwDyu+zX5b-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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 <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
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Message-ID: <CABRwemmMskDCXtrh84+dRpX8gcb1tAtr+tkjB69Lk+vRtisKyQ@mail.gmail.com>

No aldi here sorry.

On 13 Jan. 2017 18:36, "Jon Wilson via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Aldi mobile.
>
> On 13 Jan. 2017 16:57, "martin f krafft via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> also sprach Simon Green <mail at simon.green> [2017-01-13 16:53 +1100]:
>> > +1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. ?
>>
>> ? and have one of the crappiest activation processes I've seen.
>> You'd think an open-source hacker for 22 years should be able to get
>> online without much trouble, right? ;)
>>
>> (actually seems like they have "technical problems" right now.)
>>
>> --
>> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>>
>> "i've got a bike,
>>  you can ride it if you like,
>>  it's got a basket. a bell that rings, and things to make it look good.
>>  i'd give it to you if i could,
>>  but i borrowed it."
>>                                                 -- syd barrett, 1967
>>
>> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From madduck at madduck.net  Fri Jan 13 19:13:02 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:13:02 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <20170113081302.ftlhbuyxiekmuvqg@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach martin f krafft <madduck at madduck.net> [2017-01-13 13:35 +1100]:
> I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.

Found
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/information_for_international_visitors/#wiki-toc-mobile-phone-and-sim-cards
and added a link to this thread. Thanks everyone for the tips.

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
sent from my private jet.
 
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
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From jpwilson at google.com  Fri Jan 13 19:38:24 2017
From: jpwilson at google.com (Jon Wilson)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:38:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemmMskDCXtrh84+dRpX8gcb1tAtr+tkjB69Lk+vRtisKyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
 <1484279552.8213.43.camel@samba.org>
 <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
 <20170113055728.k6zgsnculkuwpseu@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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My bad. Woolies then, if you need Telstra coverage and sane prices.

On 13 Jan. 2017 18:38, "Christopher Neugebauer" <chrisjrn at gmail.com> wrote:

> No aldi here sorry.
>
> On 13 Jan. 2017 18:36, "Jon Wilson via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> Aldi mobile.
>>
>> On 13 Jan. 2017 16:57, "martin f krafft via Chat" <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> also sprach Simon Green <mail at simon.green> [2017-01-13 16:53 +1100]:
>>> > +1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. ?
>>>
>>> ? and have one of the crappiest activation processes I've seen.
>>> You'd think an open-source hacker for 22 years should be able to get
>>> online without much trouble, right? ;)
>>>
>>> (actually seems like they have "technical problems" right now.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>>>
>>> "i've got a bike,
>>>  you can ride it if you like,
>>>  it's got a basket. a bell that rings, and things to make it look good.
>>>  i'd give it to you if i could,
>>>  but i borrowed it."
>>>                                                 -- syd barrett, 1967
>>>
>>> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>>
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From jan at centricular.com  Fri Jan 13 21:39:39 2017
From: jan at centricular.com (Jan Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:39:39 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
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Message-ID: <658638a6-5626-4b3f-28a4-4bf932ed82d4@centricular.com>



On 13/01/17 13:36, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 17:11 +1100, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
> 
>> Prerequisites
>> =============
>>
>> You can clone the following git repo, which has the workshop
>> contents,
>> prerequisites, and instructions (if you are the type who likes to
>> read
>> ahead). I updated the contents today to make things easier to follow,
>> so please pull those changes.
>> https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git
>>
>> The prerequisites are currently available for Windows x64 & Linux
>> x64.
>> If you have something else, I'm happy to accept a pull request with
>> the
>> alternate software & instructions.
>>
>> I have added an "Installed Prerequisites" column to the reservation
>> spreadsheet - please update that against your name once you installed
>> the necessary software.
>>
> 
> I've simplified the prerequisites to remove the components that are
> already available in the git repo.
> 
> Here is what you need to do:
> 
> All
> ===
> 
> - Download or clone a copy of the workshop repository to your home
>   directory, from https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop
> 	git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/crosstool-ng.git

I assume that should read:

git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

> - If you have a firewall enabled, allow traffic on port 1883 (MQTT)
> 
> - Install NodeJS 4 (not 3 or 5). A Windows installer is saved in
>   esp-workshop/windows_x64
> 	https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/

On Fedora 25, I have NodeJS 6.9.2. I can't see any sensible way to
install NodeJS 4.

http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html says 4.x or
6.x are recommended, and node-red seems to run OK.

Cheers,
Jan.

> - Install NodeRed from
> 	http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html
> 	
> Windows
> =======
> 	
> - Install CH341 Windows Drivers from esp-workshop/windows_x64/drivers 	
> 	
> - Install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE)
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> Linux
> =====
> - Install Mosquitto (Fedora: dnf install mosquitto,				
> Debian/Ubuntu: apt-get install mosquitto)
> 
> - Install java (Fedora: dnf install java, Debian/Ubuntu:
> 			apt-get install default-jre)
> 
> - Add your user the the dialout group so you can access the serial port
> 	(edit /etc/group or
> 	sudo gpasswd -a ${USER} dialout && newgrp dialout)
> 
> 
> Hopefully this makes life easier for those who are attending.		
> 	
> 
> A copy of these instructions, and the workshop instructions are
> available in the git repo in the "tutorials" directory.
> 
> 
> Happy hacking :)
> 
> 

-- 
Jan Schmidt, Centricular Ltd - http://centricular.com/

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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Fri Jan 13 23:21:42 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:21:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

I've been in touch with UTAS about a tour of the observatory and attached
museum. They can accommodate us on the Thursday night for a tour from
6:00pm until 7:30pm. The total cost of the tour is $150 regardless of the
total number of guests - i.e. the more people, the cheaper the tour is per
person. We currently have 13 people who've expressed interest, and all have
so far indicated that they could attend an event on the Thursday night. So
it looks like this is a go.

I've looked into hire costs for mini busses or charter busses but the cost
isn't really viable. We'll need to arrange carpooling as we did in Perth at
LCA2014. I've updated the wiki page with a section for people to advise if
they have a car, and how many passengers they can take. Hopefully we'll be
able to get everyone there and back - but sharing taxis might be the
fallback if we don't have enough cars.

If you're not interested in attending the Astronomy BoF but are a local
with a car who would be willing to either loan your car for the evening (it
will need to be insured!) or act as chauffeur, please also add your details.

We'll need to confirm approximate numbers with the venue in the next day or
two, so please update your details to indicate if you're a definite or not.
If people express interest but then pull out on the night, it will mean
that those who remain will be out of pocket to cover the costs.

The wiki page is at
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/


Thanks,

Jessica
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From chair at hobart.lca2017.org  Sat Jan 14 09:10:48 2017
From: chair at hobart.lca2017.org (Christopher Neugebauer (linux.conf.au 2017))
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:10:48 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Join us as session staff!
In-Reply-To: <CABRwemmGJYf4Y5Qdp5VpEOTU8vWCgCMBjbzLOg96gNXOh9QSHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRwemmGJYf4Y5Qdp5VpEOTU8vWCgCMBjbzLOg96gNXOh9QSHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwemnpnVrHRyrjm3C_dmq_Dtppvjt-1zQoM71GZ55P7XUrsA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey! We're still looking for more helpers, and there's plenty of
volunteering spots open. Visit linux.conf.au/schedule and you can find open
session chairing slots from Wednesday through until Friday.

--Chris

On 12 January 2017 at 17:08, Christopher Neugebauer (linux.conf.au 2017) <
chair at hobart.lca2017.org> wrote:

> Hello there!
>
> The linux.conf.au 2017 schedule is now online (https://linux.conf.au/,
> and you might notice a funny line of text on some of the talks from
> Wednesday-Friday:
>
> [image: Inline images 1]
>
> It says "Volunteer". If you click on it, you can sign up to be a "Session
> Chair".
>
> Session chairing is a small but very important volunteer role, where you
> introduce presenters, keep presentations to time, and help facilitate Q&A
> alongside one of our registered volunteers.
>
> Each "Session" goes for two talks in the same room, between two breaks.
> You'll get to see the entirety of the two talks that you sign up to chair.
>
> If you've any questions about this, feel free to send me an e-mail,
> otherwise, go forth and sign up for sessions!
>
> --Chris
>
> --
> --Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>
>
> Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
> Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend
>
>
>
>
> --
> --Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>
>
> Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
> Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend
>



-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer <chair at hobart.lca2017.org>

Conference Director - linux.conf.au - January 2017 - Hobart
Tickets on sale now! https://linux.conf.au/attend
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From fetwadjieff at amnet.net.au  Sat Jan 14 09:14:49 2017
From: fetwadjieff at amnet.net.au (fetwadjieff at amnet.net.au)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:14:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <658638a6-5626-4b3f-28a4-4bf932ed82d4@centricular.com>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <658638a6-5626-4b3f-28a4-4bf932ed82d4@centricular.com>
Message-ID: <647660164944dc0a1113ee9febc807b2@amnet.net.au>

I also had to install npn and make a symlink to get Node-Red working in 
Ubuntu Mate
Node-Red now runs for me. Here is the link if it is useful.

cheers Ivan



http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26320901/cannot-install-nodejs-usr-bin-env-node-no-such-file-or-directory




On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:39:39 +1100, Jan Schmidt via Chat wrote:
> On 13/01/17 13:36, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
>> On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 17:11 +1100, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
>>
>>> Prerequisites
>>> =============
>>>
>>> You can clone the following git repo, which has the workshop
>>> contents,
>>> prerequisites, and instructions (if you are the type who likes to
>>> read
>>> ahead). I updated the contents today to make things easier to 
>>> follow,
>>> so please pull those changes.
>>> https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git
>>>
>>> The prerequisites are currently available for Windows x64 & Linux
>>> x64.
>>> If you have something else, I'm happy to accept a pull request with
>>> the
>>> alternate software & instructions.
>>>
>>> I have added an "Installed Prerequisites" column to the reservation
>>> spreadsheet - please update that against your name once you 
>>> installed
>>> the necessary software.
>>>
>>
>> I've simplified the prerequisites to remove the components that are
>> already available in the git repo.
>>
>> Here is what you need to do:
>>
>> All
>> ===
>>
>> - Download or clone a copy of the workshop repository to your home
>>   directory, from https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop
>> 	git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/crosstool-ng.git
>
> I assume that should read:
>
> git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git
>
>> - If you have a firewall enabled, allow traffic on port 1883 (MQTT)
>>
>> - Install NodeJS 4 (not 3 or 5). A Windows installer is saved in
>>   esp-workshop/windows_x64
>> 	https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/
>
> On Fedora 25, I have NodeJS 6.9.2. I can't see any sensible way to
> install NodeJS 4.
>
> http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html says 4.x or
> 6.x are recommended, and node-red seems to run OK.
>
> Cheers,
> Jan.
>
>> - Install NodeRed from
>> 	http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html
>>
>> Windows
>> =======
>>
>> - Install CH341 Windows Drivers from 
>> esp-workshop/windows_x64/drivers
>>
>> - Install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE)
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Linux
>> =====
>> - Install Mosquitto (Fedora: dnf install mosquitto,
>> Debian/Ubuntu: apt-get install mosquitto)
>>
>> - Install java (Fedora: dnf install java, Debian/Ubuntu:
>> 			apt-get install default-jre)
>>
>> - Add your user the the dialout group so you can access the serial 
>> port
>> 	(edit /etc/group or
>> 	sudo gpasswd -a ${USER} dialout && newgrp dialout)
>>
>>
>> Hopefully this makes life easier for those who are attending.
>>
>>
>> A copy of these instructions, and the workshop instructions are
>> available in the git repo in the "tutorials" directory.
>>
>>
>> Happy hacking :)
>>
>>


From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Sat Jan 14 09:21:15 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:21:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <658638a6-5626-4b3f-28a4-4bf932ed82d4@centricular.com>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org> <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <658638a6-5626-4b3f-28a4-4bf932ed82d4@centricular.com>
Message-ID: <6cddd6fc-bef6-ffd0-c597-feb5b93c229e@kgoetz.id.au>

On 13/1/17 21:39, Jan Schmidt via Chat wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/01/17 13:36, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
>> On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 17:11 +1100, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
>>
>>> Prerequisites
>>> =============
>>>
>>> You can clone the following git repo, which has the workshop
>>> contents,
>>> prerequisites, and instructions (if you are the type who likes to
>>> read
>>> ahead). I updated the contents today to make things easier to follow,
>>> so please pull those changes.
>>> https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git
>>>
>>> The prerequisites are currently available for Windows x64 & Linux
>>> x64.
>>> If you have something else, I'm happy to accept a pull request with
>>> the
>>> alternate software & instructions.
>>>
>>> I have added an "Installed Prerequisites" column to the reservation
>>> spreadsheet - please update that against your name once you installed
>>> the necessary software.
>>>
>>
>> I've simplified the prerequisites to remove the components that are
>> already available in the git repo.
>>
>> Here is what you need to do:
>>
>> All
>> ===
>>
>> - Download or clone a copy of the workshop repository to your home
>>   directory, from https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop
>> 	git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/crosstool-ng.git
> 
> I assume that should read:
> 
> git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

I cloned both in case.

> 
>> - If you have a firewall enabled, allow traffic on port 1883 (MQTT)
>>
>> - Install NodeJS 4 (not 3 or 5). A Windows installer is saved in
>>   esp-workshop/windows_x64
>> 	https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/
> 
> On Fedora 25, I have NodeJS 6.9.2. I can't see any sensible way to
> install NodeJS 4.
> 
> http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html says 4.x or
> 6.x are recommended, and node-red seems to run OK.

I installed 4 using the same setup scripts they talk about on their
site, substituting setup_6.x with setup_4.x.

curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_4.x

thanks,
kk

> 
> Cheers,
> Jan.
> 
>> - Install NodeRed from
>> 	http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html



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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Sat Jan 14 09:28:13 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:28:13 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <CALu6Hy_VEhDMLFYS=RjdXfROd54RprYZ+-G3E-VyBdo474qQSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
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 <09f92b06-4790-649d-15a1-0a699a68b7cf@simon.green>
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Message-ID: <090c1ef6-e801-3c39-c2b1-ab0fcbef186a@kgoetz.id.au>

On 13/1/17 19:38, Jon Wilson via Chat wrote:
> My bad. Woolies then, if you need Telstra coverage and sane prices.

My dad has an Aldi sim, I assume from the mainland somewhere. Those who
are coming to tassie via other australian cities may be able to pick one
up on the way through.

kk

> On 13 Jan. 2017 18:38, "Christopher Neugebauer" <chrisjrn at gmail.com
> <mailto:chrisjrn at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     No aldi here sorry.
> 
>     On 13 Jan. 2017 18:36, "Jon Wilson via Chat"
>     <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>     <mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
> 
>         Aldi mobile.
> 
>         On 13 Jan. 2017 16:57, "martin f krafft via Chat"
>         <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>         <mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
> 
>             also sprach Simon Green <mail at simon.green> [2017-01-13 16:53
>             +1100]:
>             > +1 for Amaysim, the use the Optus 4G network. ?
> 
>             ? and have one of the crappiest activation processes I've seen.
>             You'd think an open-source hacker for 22 years should be
>             able to get
>             online without much trouble, right? ;)
> 
>             (actually seems like they have "technical problems" right now.)
> 


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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 11:22:29 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:22:29 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Food Truck Sunday
Message-ID: <ef74dfae-aa06-ceb5-a91e-0dd1de077f99@gmail.com>

Hi!
I've you're arriving in Hobart on Sunday and are looking for a bite to 
eat, there's a venue where a number of our food trucks assemble and sell 
their wares.

The venue is known as Red Square, but may not turn up on your maps. It's 
next door to Hobart Brewing Company at Macquarie Wharf, 14 Evans Street 
(yes, a bit of a hike from the venue but if you're up for the walk into 
the city, it's not that much further really).

Food truck Sunday goes, from memory, about 10AM to 4PM or thereabouts. 
My personal favourite of all the vans in Hobart, although no guarantees 
it'll be there, is the Kombi Keg - a VW Kombi van that well yes I think 
you can probably guess the rest.

Anyway, thought I'd mention Food Truck Sunday on the list as it'll 
probably be the best opportunity to sample the closest to what Hobart 
has to 'street food' during your stay.

Cheers,

Pete.

From hugh at blemings.org  Sat Jan 14 13:24:52 2017
From: hugh at blemings.org (Hugh Blemings)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:24:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Newcomers Welcome Session
Message-ID: <a47a9569-2b01-df24-b9f0-7686b6d0c01c@blemings.org>

Hi,

For those of you that are new/new-ish to linux.conf.au we will be 
hosting the (somewhat) traditional Newcomers Welcome Session at 4pm on 
Sunday afternoon at the main conference venue, Wrest Point Convention 
Centre.

We won't know the exact room until tomorrow arvo due to logistics 
considerations, but it will be near the Check-in Desk where you 
register, collect your badge, etc.

The session will share some hints and tips for getting the most out of 
your LCA experience and a little of the events history, presented by a 
small panel of experts and yours truly.

We expect to finish by 5pm at which point it is suggested that folk that 
so wish to repair to "Preachers", a well regarded eatery and bar in the 
city.  This latter isn't an official LCA event as such, just a 
suggestion for a common meeting point :)

If you can't make the session for some reason don't worry overmuch - the 
official conference open on Monday morning will give you the key things 
you need to know.

Kind Regards,
Hugh


From elvis at dogonfire.com  Sat Jan 14 08:15:04 2017
From: elvis at dogonfire.com (elvis)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 07:15:04 +1000
Subject: [Chat] SIM card advice?
In-Reply-To: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <20170113023552.ahgeqgq3rug5uezr@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <f93f4dbb-c341-5b5f-26be-2d032e45c54f@dogonfire.com>

On 13/01/2017 12:35 PM, martin f krafft via Chat wrote:
> Hey,
>
> is there SIM card advice around? I could just buy some Vodafone
> plan, but of course I'd prefer to support the underdog instead.
> Mainly looking for data valid for 10 days, texts would be nice and
> maybe a few included minutes.
>
> I'll be happy to set up a wiki page, for I could not find one yet.

 From just having traveled around Tassie, unless it is Telstra or a 
Telstra reseller, you won't get reception outside the big towns. Not a 
problem if you stay in Hobart though..



>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

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From lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz  Sat Jan 14 22:05:21 2017
From: lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:05:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <647660164944dc0a1113ee9febc807b2@amnet.net.au>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org> <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <658638a6-5626-4b3f-28a4-4bf932ed82d4@centricular.com>
 <647660164944dc0a1113ee9febc807b2@amnet.net.au>
Message-ID: <cc4f2f44-ea4c-6310-188a-2606b6eac34a@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>

On 14/01/17 09:14, fetwadjieff--- via Chat wrote:
> I also had to install npn and make a symlink to get Node-Red working in
> Ubuntu Mate Node-Red now runs for me. Here is the link if it is useful.
> [...]
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26320901/cannot-install-nodejs-usr-bin-env-node-no-such-file-or-directory

For the benefit of other attendees:

If you installed nodejs/npm from Debian/Ubuntu packages (which still 
seem to be node 4 AFAICT), then (as mentioned in the link you found) 
also installing the *nodejs-legacy* package 
(https://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs-legacy) is another way to get 
that symlink created (and IIRC that symlink is about the only thing 
contained in that *nodejs-legacy* package; this is a relatively old 
Debian/Ubuntu change due to a binary name conflict: see 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00002.html and 
bugs.debian.org/614907).

Ewen

From jessica at itgrrl.com  Sun Jan 15 00:50:42 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 00:50:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZUZO3yQufGL0=LWVVneJxngOdrx1Q9z1BXi743SG2DBQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

So far we have 24 people who've added themselves to the Astronomy BoF wiki
page to indicate that they're interested - which is great! But now we need
to make a commitment to the observatory to pay them $$.

We are still very light on cars/spaces, so we may run into problems getting
people there. Some people may end up needing to share taxis, which will of
course increase costs, but it will still be quite a cheap excursion overall.

If you've already added yourself to the wiki, please go ad update your
entry to confirm that you're in and OK with the costs. If you're not sure
or unable to commit, please remove yourself from the list. This gives us a
better idea of the cost split amongst the group. You can always add
yourself back in later if you're able to commit, and if we can arrange
transport.

I plan on confirming with UTAS on Sunday evening (15/1) based on the
numbers that we have as of about 4pm. Please update your entry on the wiki
page before then if possible (or just drop me a quick email if easier and
I'll do the edit). The wiki page is
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/


Cheers,

Jessica


On 13 January 2017 at 23:21, Jessica Smith <jessica at itgrrl.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been in touch with UTAS about a tour of the observatory and attached
> museum. They can accommodate us on the Thursday night for a tour from
> 6:00pm until 7:30pm. The total cost of the tour is $150 regardless of the
> total number of guests - i.e. the more people, the cheaper the tour is per
> person. We currently have 13 people who've expressed interest, and all have
> so far indicated that they could attend an event on the Thursday night. So
> it looks like this is a go.
>
> I've looked into hire costs for mini busses or charter busses but the cost
> isn't really viable. We'll need to arrange carpooling as we did in Perth at
> LCA2014. I've updated the wiki page with a section for people to advise if
> they have a car, and how many passengers they can take. Hopefully we'll be
> able to get everyone there and back - but sharing taxis might be the
> fallback if we don't have enough cars.
>
> If you're not interested in attending the Astronomy BoF but are a local
> with a car who would be willing to either loan your car for the evening (it
> will need to be insured!) or act as chauffeur, please also add your details.
>
> We'll need to confirm approximate numbers with the venue in the next day
> or two, so please update your details to indicate if you're a definite or
> not. If people express interest but then pull out on the night, it will
> mean that those who remain will be out of pocket to cover the costs.
>
> The wiki page is at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
> conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jessica
>
>
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 07:30:49 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 07:30:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZUZO3yQufGL0=LWVVneJxngOdrx1Q9z1BXi743SG2DBQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZUZO3yQufGL0=LWVVneJxngOdrx1Q9z1BXi743SG2DBQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG73kvUxxC8Br7D=4t=-r2PpNdAfOqps6AnAqyAWOMPC0szZ0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica and all,
I've had a few days to think about this and I have decided that I shall pay
the $150 so that everyone can at least attend, transport issues
notwithstanding.
I'm a very big believer in not just the observatory but in particular the
Grote Reber Museum as a science education centre and have been meaning to
make a financial donation to them for some time beyond the fridge magnets
I've purchased. By paying this money I meet this desire to help them
financially and also hopefully educate some LCA attendees on both
Tasmania's place in radio astronomy research and the contribution Mr Reber
made to modern communications (as well as maybe enjoy and celebrate his...
eccentricity).
Probably more importantly though, it means attendees should be able to buy
an extra fridge magnet.

Cheers,

P.



On 15 Jan. 2017 00:52, "Jessica Smith via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi all,

So far we have 24 people who've added themselves to the Astronomy BoF wiki
page to indicate that they're interested - which is great! But now we need
to make a commitment to the observatory to pay them $$.

We are still very light on cars/spaces, so we may run into problems getting
people there. Some people may end up needing to share taxis, which will of
course increase costs, but it will still be quite a cheap excursion overall.

If you've already added yourself to the wiki, please go ad update your
entry to confirm that you're in and OK with the costs. If you're not sure
or unable to commit, please remove yourself from the list. This gives us a
better idea of the cost split amongst the group. You can always add
yourself back in later if you're able to commit, and if we can arrange
transport.

I plan on confirming with UTAS on Sunday evening (15/1) based on the
numbers that we have as of about 4pm. Please update your entry on the wiki
page before then if possible (or just drop me a quick email if easier and
I'll do the edit). The wiki page is https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/


Cheers,

Jessica


On 13 January 2017 at 23:21, Jessica Smith <jessica at itgrrl.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been in touch with UTAS about a tour of the observatory and attached
> museum. They can accommodate us on the Thursday night for a tour from
> 6:00pm until 7:30pm. The total cost of the tour is $150 regardless of the
> total number of guests - i.e. the more people, the cheaper the tour is per
> person. We currently have 13 people who've expressed interest, and all have
> so far indicated that they could attend an event on the Thursday night. So
> it looks like this is a go.
>
> I've looked into hire costs for mini busses or charter busses but the cost
> isn't really viable. We'll need to arrange carpooling as we did in Perth at
> LCA2014. I've updated the wiki page with a section for people to advise if
> they have a car, and how many passengers they can take. Hopefully we'll be
> able to get everyone there and back - but sharing taxis might be the
> fallback if we don't have enough cars.
>
> If you're not interested in attending the Astronomy BoF but are a local
> with a car who would be willing to either loan your car for the evening (it
> will need to be insured!) or act as chauffeur, please also add your details.
>
> We'll need to confirm approximate numbers with the venue in the next day
> or two, so please update your details to indicate if you're a definite or
> not. If people express interest but then pull out on the night, it will
> mean that those who remain will be out of pocket to cover the costs.
>
> The wiki page is at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/con
> ference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jessica
>
>

_______________________________________________
Chat mailing list
Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Sun Jan 15 08:22:54 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 21:22:54 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvUxxC8Br7D=4t=-r2PpNdAfOqps6AnAqyAWOMPC0szZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZUZO3yQufGL0=LWVVneJxngOdrx1Q9z1BXi743SG2DBQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvUxxC8Br7D=4t=-r2PpNdAfOqps6AnAqyAWOMPC0szZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZUDk0ZT30+gDEoa1X72CQDbuB5fK8Y8iS_wLsNth43RkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

That's a very generous offer, thank you.

Perhaps those attending who were happy to cover their entry cost might
choose to put that amount towards a donation when we get there.


Cheers,

Jessica

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 at 07:30, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jessica and all,
I've had a few days to think about this and I have decided that I shall pay
the $150 so that everyone can at least attend, transport issues
notwithstanding.
I'm a very big believer in not just the observatory but in particular the
Grote Reber Museum as a science education centre and have been meaning to
make a financial donation to them for some time beyond the fridge magnets
I've purchased. By paying this money I meet this desire to help them
financially and also hopefully educate some LCA attendees on both
Tasmania's place in radio astronomy research and the contribution Mr Reber
made to modern communications (as well as maybe enjoy and celebrate his...
eccentricity).
Probably more importantly though, it means attendees should be able to buy
an extra fridge magnet.

Cheers,

P.



On 15 Jan. 2017 00:52, "Jessica Smith via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi all,

So far we have 24 people who've added themselves to the Astronomy BoF wiki
page to indicate that they're interested - which is great! But now we need
to make a commitment to the observatory to pay them $$.

We are still very light on cars/spaces, so we may run into problems getting
people there. Some people may end up needing to share taxis, which will of
course increase costs, but it will still be quite a cheap excursion overall.

If you've already added yourself to the wiki, please go ad update your
entry to confirm that you're in and OK with the costs. If you're not sure
or unable to commit, please remove yourself from the list. This gives us a
better idea of the cost split amongst the group. You can always add
yourself back in later if you're able to commit, and if we can arrange
transport.

I plan on confirming with UTAS on Sunday evening (15/1) based on the
numbers that we have as of about 4pm. Please update your entry on the wiki
page before then if possible (or just drop me a quick email if easier and
I'll do the edit). The wiki page is
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/


Cheers,

Jessica


On 13 January 2017 at 23:21, Jessica Smith <jessica at itgrrl.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I've been in touch with UTAS about a tour of the observatory and attached
museum. They can accommodate us on the Thursday night for a tour from
6:00pm until 7:30pm. The total cost of the tour is $150 regardless of the
total number of guests - i.e. the more people, the cheaper the tour is per
person. We currently have 13 people who've expressed interest, and all have
so far indicated that they could attend an event on the Thursday night. So
it looks like this is a go.

I've looked into hire costs for mini busses or charter busses but the cost
isn't really viable. We'll need to arrange carpooling as we did in Perth at
LCA2014. I've updated the wiki page with a section for people to advise if
they have a car, and how many passengers they can take. Hopefully we'll be
able to get everyone there and back - but sharing taxis might be the
fallback if we don't have enough cars.

If you're not interested in attending the Astronomy BoF but are a local
with a car who would be willing to either loan your car for the evening (it
will need to be insured!) or act as chauffeur, please also add your details.

We'll need to confirm approximate numbers with the venue in the next day or
two, so please update your details to indicate if you're a definite or not.
If people express interest but then pull out on the night, it will mean
that those who remain will be out of pocket to cover the costs.

The wiki page is at
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/


Thanks,

Jessica







_______________________________________________


Chat mailing list


Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au


http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Sun Jan 15 08:26:54 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:26:54 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>	
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org> <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>

Additional Modules
================

We now have sufficient attendees that I cannot guarantee that you receive even 1 extra module, sorry :(  I'll disperse what I have left at the end of the workshop, with preference given to those who put their name down earlier.

You can buy them from China here (~$4, ~3 week delivery). You will need to flash these modules as described in the 0.Prerequisites.html file, and solder on your choice of headers.
http://bit.ly/2isviNd


Prerequisites
============

As pointed out, I pasted the wrong git repo in the previous instructions, the updated details are below. You can also now use NodeJS 6 (if available).




All
===

- Download or clone a copy of the workshop repository to your home
  directory, from https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop
	git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/crosstool-ng.git
		
- If you have a firewall enabled, allow traffic on port 1883 (MQTT)

- Install NodeJS 4 or 6 (not 3 or 5). A Windows installer is saved in
  esp-workshop/windows_x64
	https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/
		
- Install NodeRed from
	http://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/installation.html
	
Windows
=======
	
- Install CH341 Windows Drivers from esp-workshop/windows_x64/drivers 	
	
- Install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html



Linux
=====
- Install Mosquitto (Fedora: dnf install mosquitto,				
Debian/Ubuntu: apt-get install mosquitto)

- Install java (Fedora: dnf install java, Debian/Ubuntu:
			apt-get install default-jre)

- Add your user the the dialout group so you can access the serial port
	(edit /etc/group or
	sudo gpasswd -a ${USER} dialout && newgrp dialout)






From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 08:44:40 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:44:40 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZUDk0ZT30+gDEoa1X72CQDbuB5fK8Y8iS_wLsNth43RkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZUZO3yQufGL0=LWVVneJxngOdrx1Q9z1BXi743SG2DBQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvUxxC8Br7D=4t=-r2PpNdAfOqps6AnAqyAWOMPC0szZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZUDk0ZT30+gDEoa1X72CQDbuB5fK8Y8iS_wLsNth43RkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG73kvW7OXsW0Bp_EfnPbH1qbdHQKTF6AoPxC2cHJ0PEmtn4Jw@mail.gmail.com>

The reason I suggest fridge magnets is they are quite the conversation
starter, given the bloke's name. A great opportunity for science education
amongst friends and family at home or co-workers in offices.

P.

On 15 Jan. 2017 08:36, "Jessica Smith via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> That's a very generous offer, thank you.
>
> Perhaps those attending who were happy to cover their entry cost might
> choose to put that amount towards a donation when we get there.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jessica
>
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 at 07:30, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jessica and all,
> I've had a few days to think about this and I have decided that I shall
> pay the $150 so that everyone can at least attend, transport issues
> notwithstanding.
> I'm a very big believer in not just the observatory but in particular the
> Grote Reber Museum as a science education centre and have been meaning to
> make a financial donation to them for some time beyond the fridge magnets
> I've purchased. By paying this money I meet this desire to help them
> financially and also hopefully educate some LCA attendees on both
> Tasmania's place in radio astronomy research and the contribution Mr Reber
> made to modern communications (as well as maybe enjoy and celebrate his...
> eccentricity).
> Probably more importantly though, it means attendees should be able to buy
> an extra fridge magnet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> P.
>
>
>
> On 15 Jan. 2017 00:52, "Jessica Smith via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> So far we have 24 people who've added themselves to the Astronomy BoF wiki
> page to indicate that they're interested - which is great! But now we need
> to make a commitment to the observatory to pay them $$.
>
> We are still very light on cars/spaces, so we may run into problems
> getting people there. Some people may end up needing to share taxis, which
> will of course increase costs, but it will still be quite a cheap excursion
> overall.
>
> If you've already added yourself to the wiki, please go ad update your
> entry to confirm that you're in and OK with the costs. If you're not sure
> or unable to commit, please remove yourself from the list. This gives us a
> better idea of the cost split amongst the group. You can always add
> yourself back in later if you're able to commit, and if we can arrange
> transport.
>
> I plan on confirming with UTAS on Sunday evening (15/1) based on the
> numbers that we have as of about 4pm. Please update your entry on the wiki
> page before then if possible (or just drop me a quick email if easier and
> I'll do the edit). The wiki page is https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
> conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jessica
>
>
> On 13 January 2017 at 23:21, Jessica Smith <jessica at itgrrl.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been in touch with UTAS about a tour of the observatory and attached
> museum. They can accommodate us on the Thursday night for a tour from
> 6:00pm until 7:30pm. The total cost of the tour is $150 regardless of the
> total number of guests - i.e. the more people, the cheaper the tour is per
> person. We currently have 13 people who've expressed interest, and all have
> so far indicated that they could attend an event on the Thursday night. So
> it looks like this is a go.
>
> I've looked into hire costs for mini busses or charter busses but the cost
> isn't really viable. We'll need to arrange carpooling as we did in Perth at
> LCA2014. I've updated the wiki page with a section for people to advise if
> they have a car, and how many passengers they can take. Hopefully we'll be
> able to get everyone there and back - but sharing taxis might be the
> fallback if we don't have enough cars.
>
> If you're not interested in attending the Astronomy BoF but are a local
> with a car who would be willing to either loan your car for the evening (it
> will need to be insured!) or act as chauffeur, please also add your details.
>
> We'll need to confirm approximate numbers with the venue in the next day
> or two, so please update your details to indicate if you're a definite or
> not. If people express interest but then pull out on the night, it will
> mean that those who remain will be out of pocket to cover the costs.
>
> The wiki page is at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
> conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
>
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From craige at mcwhirter.com.au  Sun Jan 15 09:24:54 2017
From: craige at mcwhirter.com.au (Craige McWhirter)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:24:54 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvUxxC8Br7D=4t=-r2PpNdAfOqps6AnAqyAWOMPC0szZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20170114222454.uan6gsamgspdzog3@archer.mcwhirter.io>

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 07:30:49 +1100, Peter Lawler via Chat wrote:

>    I've had a few days to think about this and I have decided that I shall
>    pay the $150 so that everyone can at least attend, transport issues
>    notwithstanding.

Love your work Peter. You've always been a legend :-D

--
Craige McWhirter
M: +61 4685 91819
W: https://mcwhirter.com.au/
GNUSocial: https://social.mcwhirter.io/craige
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 11:05:09 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:05:09 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <20170114222454.uan6gsamgspdzog3@archer.mcwhirter.io>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOUMSZVeY0uc1GP1n-wGBU_139MFwM7vZq8Zc3-0WGy330YZ7w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <25811bff-ed5b-c0c5-8ec4-af1d56e759a1@gmail.com>



On 15/01/17 09:24, Craige McWhirter via Chat wrote:

>
> Love your work Peter. You've always been a legend :-D
>
If I could afford to hire the bus...

Maybe there's some corporate attendee out there who... *he says hintingly*

Pete.

From Adam.Nye at sahmri.com  Sun Jan 15 12:45:10 2017
From: Adam.Nye at sahmri.com (Adam Nye)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 01:45:10 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Food Truck Sunday
In-Reply-To: <ef74dfae-aa06-ceb5-a91e-0dd1de077f99@gmail.com>
References: <ef74dfae-aa06-ceb5-a91e-0dd1de077f99@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20rfecx5j5rur9fv9aswds4b.1484444704310@email.android.com>

Hi,

We're here now, and while the Kombi Keg isn't here, its still a great venue with nice food and drinks.

Well worth the trip.

Thanks for the suggestion.


-------- Original message --------
From: Peter Lawler via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Date: 14/01/2017 12:06 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Subject: [Chat] Food Truck Sunday

Hi!
I've you're arriving in Hobart on Sunday and are looking for a bite to
eat, there's a venue where a number of our food trucks assemble and sell
their wares.

The venue is known as Red Square, but may not turn up on your maps. It's
next door to Hobart Brewing Company at Macquarie Wharf, 14 Evans Street
(yes, a bit of a hike from the venue but if you're up for the walk into
the city, it's not that much further really).

Food truck Sunday goes, from memory, about 10AM to 4PM or thereabouts.
My personal favourite of all the vans in Hobart, although no guarantees
it'll be there, is the Kombi Keg - a VW Kombi van that well yes I think
you can probably guess the rest.

Anyway, thought I'd mention Food Truck Sunday on the list as it'll
probably be the best opportunity to sample the closest to what Hobart
has to 'street food' during your stay.

Cheers,

Pete.
_______________________________________________
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From dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au  Sun Jan 15 12:48:19 2017
From: dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:48:19 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Food Truck Sunday
In-Reply-To: <ef74dfae-aa06-ceb5-a91e-0dd1de077f99@gmail.com>
References: <ef74dfae-aa06-ceb5-a91e-0dd1de077f99@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A1DC36C-8E1E-4B8B-9953-6631A0FBCC3F@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>

Big +1 to this. Great atmosphere.

On 14 January 2017 11:22:29 AM AEDT, Peter Lawler via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>Hi!
>I've you're arriving in Hobart on Sunday and are looking for a bite to 
>eat, there's a venue where a number of our food trucks assemble and
>sell 
>their wares.
>
>The venue is known as Red Square, but may not turn up on your maps.
>It's 
>next door to Hobart Brewing Company at Macquarie Wharf, 14 Evans Street
>
>(yes, a bit of a hike from the venue but if you're up for the walk into
>
>the city, it's not that much further really).
>
>Food truck Sunday goes, from memory, about 10AM to 4PM or thereabouts. 
>My personal favourite of all the vans in Hobart, although no guarantees
>
>it'll be there, is the Kombi Keg - a VW Kombi van that well yes I think
>
>you can probably guess the rest.
>
>Anyway, thought I'd mention Food Truck Sunday on the list as it'll 
>probably be the best opportunity to sample the closest to what Hobart 
>has to 'street food' during your stay.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Pete.
>_______________________________________________
>Chat mailing list
>Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 13:09:00 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:09:00 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Food Truck Sunday
In-Reply-To: <9A1DC36C-8E1E-4B8B-9953-6631A0FBCC3F@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>
References: <ef74dfae-aa06-ceb5-a91e-0dd1de077f99@gmail.com>
 <9A1DC36C-8E1E-4B8B-9953-6631A0FBCC3F@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAG73kvXXP0Jbo0OusxLsFmJ_FO1ySNm2hZLs=boWk2YF0Fqcvg@mail.gmail.com>

Have just finished some house work and about to head down myself on the way
to the venue to give Craige a hard time.
Glad you found it and are enjoying. Pity about the wind but thems the
breaks at this latitude.

P.

On 15 Jan. 2017 12:48, "Daryl Tester via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Big +1 to this. Great atmosphere.
>
> On 14 January 2017 11:22:29 AM AEDT, Peter Lawler via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >Hi!
> >I've you're arriving in Hobart on Sunday and are looking for a bite to
> >eat, there's a venue where a number of our food trucks assemble and
> >sell
> >their wares.
> >
> >The venue is known as Red Square, but may not turn up on your maps.
> >It's
> >next door to Hobart Brewing Company at Macquarie Wharf, 14 Evans Street
> >
> >(yes, a bit of a hike from the venue but if you're up for the walk into
> >
> >the city, it's not that much further really).
> >
> >Food truck Sunday goes, from memory, about 10AM to 4PM or thereabouts.
> >My personal favourite of all the vans in Hobart, although no guarantees
> >
> >it'll be there, is the Kombi Keg - a VW Kombi van that well yes I think
> >
> >you can probably guess the rest.
> >
> >Anyway, thought I'd mention Food Truck Sunday on the list as it'll
> >probably be the best opportunity to sample the closest to what Hobart
> >has to 'street food' during your stay.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Pete.
> >_______________________________________________
> >Chat mailing list
> >Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> >http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> _______________________________________________
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> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From john at johndalton.info  Sun Jan 15 13:32:52 2017
From: john at johndalton.info (John Dalton)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 02:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
Message-ID: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.

We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
people who care.

Details are on the wiki:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/bluehackers/

You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
you can use to show your support of this initiative.

Hope to see you there!

Yours,

John
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From sginnane at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan 15 15:57:35 2017
From: sginnane at yahoo.com.au (sginnane at yahoo.com.au)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 04:57:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Chat] dinner tickets
References: <1665856149.3210708.1484456255392.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1665856149.3210708.1484456255392@mail.yahoo.com>

Did I miss something, or did I not get a ticket for the dinner when I registered ?.Note, I have been offline for a while so may have missed mail on this.?
Thanks .... ? Shane

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From josh at zindello.com.au  Sun Jan 15 16:59:27 2017
From: josh at zindello.com.au (Joshua Mesilane)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:59:27 +1100
Subject: [Chat] dinner tickets
In-Reply-To: <1665856149.3210708.1484456255392@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1665856149.3210708.1484456255392.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1665856149.3210708.1484456255392@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFSnpM+8gxw+X04phzzPuCMuQv48JSy3BVVvfQOVV850LGEmKA@mail.gmail.com>

It's usually on your pass. Marked with a Penguin Dinner logo and they just
check your pass when you go in.


---
0416039082
josh at zindello.com.au
http://www.zindello.com.au/

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:57 PM, sginnane--- via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Did I miss something, or did I not get a ticket for the dinner when I
> registered ?.
> Note, I have been offline for a while so may have missed mail on this.
>
> Thanks ....   Shane
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sginnane at yahoo.com.au  Sun Jan 15 17:16:04 2017
From: sginnane at yahoo.com.au (sginnane at yahoo.com.au)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 06:16:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Chat] dinner tickets
In-Reply-To: <CAFSnpM+8gxw+X04phzzPuCMuQv48JSy3BVVvfQOVV850LGEmKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1665856149.3210708.1484456255392.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <CAFSnpM+8gxw+X04phzzPuCMuQv48JSy3BVVvfQOVV850LGEmKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <339550145.3235750.1484460964333@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks?


Sent from Yahoo7 Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun., 15 Jan., 2017 at 16:59, Joshua Mesilane<josh at zindello.com.au> wrote:   It's usually on your pass. Marked with a Penguin Dinner logo and they just check your pass when you go in.

---
0416039082
josh at zindello.com.au
http://www.zindello.com.au/

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:57 PM, sginnane--- via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Did I miss something, or did I not get a ticket for the dinner when I registered ?.Note, I have been offline for a while so may have missed mail on this.?
Thanks .... ? Shane


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From alastair at d-silva.org  Sun Jan 15 17:29:22 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:29:22 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org> <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <4AAA8C7D-CDA3-4653-A7CA-3034E985FF82@d-silva.org>

So, I still managed to screw up the git URL, you want:
git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

I have the kits with me at the University accommodation, if you would like to grab your kit early, please ping me on Twitter (@EvilDeece)
-- 
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From sjh at svana.org  Sun Jan 15 22:04:36 2017
From: sjh at svana.org (Steven Hanley)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:04:36 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running Bof Monday morning
Message-ID: <20170115110436.GA11546@svana.org>

All

As discussed, a short run tomorrow to get the Running BoF started and still
make it to PDNS for those who need to.

06:00am at the joining point of College Rd and French St (where the entry to
tge student accom climb comes in from Churchill Ave), we will run down
through the uni to Wrest point (the sea) and then back via a st next to the
uni. With the climb back up to accom this should get us a nice (though
hilly) 5km and will get the week started for running BoF.

Also allowing time to shower and gt to PDNS.

	See You
	    Steve

-- 
Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
in the day to day, in the face to face
i have to act, just as strong as i can
just to preserve a place, where i can be who i am
   Talk To Me Now - Ani Difranco - Ani

From duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au  Sun Jan 15 22:19:59 2017
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au (duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:19:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <4AAA8C7D-CDA3-4653-A7CA-3034E985FF82@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <572000b0c84f288bc34697628363a69ec637013d@webmail.optusnet.com.au>


---- Original Message -----
From: "Alastair D'Silva"
To:<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:29:22 +1100
Subject:Re: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)

 So, I still managed to screw up the git URL, you want:
 git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git [1]

 I have the kits with me at the University accommodation, if you would
like to grab your kit early, please ping me on Twitter (@EvilDeece)
---------------------------------------------------
So, will we be using linux64/paho therein?
I couldn't find where you got it from, so spent most of Friday getting
it to run on my (formerly) 32-bit laptop (now multi-libbed, no
permanent damage done ;)

Cheers ... Duncan.

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Email sent using Optus Webmail

Links:
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[1] https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Sun Jan 15 22:51:18 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:51:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Common room at University?
Message-ID: <feb43833-9758-40c3-ae47-30cf7d2ef33b@darkmere.gen.nz>

Just wondering, is there a common room at the University Hall that we all 
have access to?


Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
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From paul.j.fenwick at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 23:10:23 2017
From: paul.j.fenwick at gmail.com (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:10:23 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <25811bff-ed5b-c0c5-8ec4-af1d56e759a1@gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAOUMSZUZO3yQufGL0=LWVVneJxngOdrx1Q9z1BXi743SG2DBQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+6jtDKt2aTnP9gabeU2q2WCOo-FoF8UF1yP1fw6Nyt38TtZaA@mail.gmail.com>

If I'm a terrible person who's been working on slides all day, is it too
late for me to join the Space Train? I've already added myself+1 to the
wiki page.

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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Sun Jan 15 23:25:19 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:25:19 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CA+6jtDKt2aTnP9gabeU2q2WCOo-FoF8UF1yP1fw6Nyt38TtZaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZU5DUNGBuMLNGLwaYCGTPS3z0_m0Eu6rXVcS=drjZPpfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOUMSZV_cM2-1uaE+aZF2=fsKGD_sahC+zKL9Fjo8C3ALd1BUg@mail.gmail.com>

Wait, I thought you were /driving/ the space train?you mean you're not?  :-o

(Also, you should know better than to phrase questions as conditionals
amongst this crowd?)


Just updating all?

We've actually had a YUGE response to this event and are right at our limit
with a single guide. I've emailed the observatory to coordinate options for
more people if needed. If we go above 40 they need to hire another guide
for us, so additional costs are involved (at this point thanks to Peter's
generosity that's the trivial issue to solve).

The main problem we have right now is the gap between attendees and
available transportation. It looks like we'll need to book a flotilla of
taxis to get people there and back. If we don't get significantly more
offers of transport soon, I'll advise people that they'll need to organise
into groups of 3-4 and book their own taxis to and from the event (or
maxicabs if available).

Can a local confirm that booking taxis back from the observatory at ~7:30 -
8:00pm on a Thursday night is a viable thing in Hobart?


Thanks,

Jessica


On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 at 23:11, Paul Fenwick via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> If I'm a terrible person who's been working on slides all day, is it too
> late for me to join the Space Train? I've already added myself+1 to the
> wiki page.
>
> ~ pjf
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Chat mailing list
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Sun Jan 15 23:55:05 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:55:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Kernel Miniconf - Monday
In-Reply-To: <CALn+=JoTiqf8hpV64iLV+dF4j=Hy7ZicU6MYiSFL7sz+P8+1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALn+=JoTiqf8hpV64iLV+dF4j=Hy7ZicU6MYiSFL7sz+P8+1HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn+=JoH=ewq_VmGtANQ5MWjZW9YgKJr+c9wU0Jo-Hd8TmEoYw@mail.gmail.com>

If you wish to submit a lightning talk or a topic for discussion,
please submit it here - https://goo.gl/fmWhur

See you all tomorrow!

On 9 January 2017 at 19:40, Andrew Donnellan <andrew at donnellan.id.au> wrote:
> Kernel miniconf schedule is up, see
> https://linux.conf.au/schedule/#monday for details!
>
> --
> Andrew Donnellan
> http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au



-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx  Mon Jan 16 07:45:10 2017
From: linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx (Stephen Edmonds)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:45:10 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Common room at University?
In-Reply-To: <feb43833-9758-40c3-ae47-30cf7d2ef33b@darkmere.gen.nz>
References: <feb43833-9758-40c3-ae47-30cf7d2ef33b@darkmere.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <CAECH6uPAX9V4yiKgzR_DtAqKLHTnXof4prcNC31bt9ONgW-QPw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in Barrett (uphill from reception) and on the lower floor is a common
room with a TV, couches and pool table. Half a floor up is another common
room. I had a brief walk around last night and didn't see a similar room in
the other buildings. Outside the room with the pool table is a seating area
and BBQs.

I did find a conference room, a shared room and a big kitchen in the
building to the west. My card let me in, but I don't know if we are
supposed to use it...

On 15 January 2017 at 22:51, Simon Lyall via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

>
> Just wondering, is there a common room at the University Hall that we all
> have access to?
>
> Simon Lyall  |  simon at darkmere.gen.nz  | http://simonlyall.com
>
> Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jason at dickson.st  Mon Jan 16 08:03:07 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:03:07 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Emacs BoF: Thursday Lunchtime
Message-ID: <8bee2276-2ab1-e771-613f-b6562104219f@dickson.st>

Hi LCAers,

I'm organising an Emacs BoF.

Things we can discuss:

New things in Emacs 25.1
The stupid jokes non Emacs users make about Emacs
Remacs
Is there any interest in an Emacs users group or regular meetup?
Join the Australian Emacs users email list
any other topics of interest

I propose we meet in one of the lecture rooms Thursday Lunchtime. Room
to be announced later.

Wiki page for further discussion:

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/emacs_bof/

See you there!

Jason

-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From jason at dickson.st  Mon Jan 16 08:16:13 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:16:13 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Perl BoF: Wednesday Lunchtime
Message-ID: <395db952-8675-86d5-5d0b-8ca602bcdcb0@dickson.st>

Hi People,

I'm organising a BoF for discussion of all things perl.

Some topics we can cover:
What's new in Perl 5.24.1
Perl5 has a new Pumpking
Perl6
Any awesome new modules you have written or have used
Is it time for an Australian/NZ perl workshop?
Australia and New Zealand pm mailing list. Let's make one?
Any other topics?

Time: Wednesday Lunchtime
Venue: TBA

See you there.

Jason
-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From clinton.roy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 09:03:47 2017
From: clinton.roy at gmail.com (Clinton Roy)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:03:47 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Hacker Public Radio interviews
Message-ID: <CALGYmurRAYQ3FhJsXu+0akSCOonNvwepPv_j3jA1ZG=8RM7UXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Hacker Public Radio is a community run podcast, anyone can upload
recordings and have them published as a show. All the recordings are
Creative Commons licensed. The remit of the show is 'anything interesting
to hackers' which covers a lot of things.

I've set up a big silver microphone on the desk near the coffee stall, if
anyone is up for a chat at any time to talk about their linux.conf.au
experiences I'd like to record a few interviews this week :)

I may shout you a drink...
-- 
-- Clinton Roy, Software Engineer with Bloomberg L.P.
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From dhawke at oss.co.nz  Mon Jan 16 10:56:47 2017
From: dhawke at oss.co.nz (Dan Hawke)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:56:47 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Monday Lunch
Message-ID: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.A3E60FFB-E8B6-41DB-B0F6-765FD8B24EAA@mail.outlook.com>

Hi all, for those that wish to enjoy the catered lunch in a group, please come along to the Queer BoF Monday "soft launch" at lunchtime - by the fountain at the entrance to the grassy area. Grab some lunch and come along approx 12:30pm. https://goo.gl/maps/om6jxh3ZtLqIf coming from upstairs, turn left after onyx bar, follow signs for boardwalk.
Lat, Long: -42.9019,147.3377
If you haven't read this yet, please do:https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/queer_bof/

 - Dan
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From duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 16 13:12:58 2017
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au (duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:12:58 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <572000b0c84f288bc34697628363a69ec637013d@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <b10bb20427c3f723f8d1a0ed69c092c347a7caf5@webmail.optusnet.com.au>

Huh. So much for trying to avoid top-posting

----- Original Message -----
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au
To:<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:19:59 +1100
Subject:Re: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)

---- Original Message -----
From: "Alastair D'Silva"
To:<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:29:22 +1100
Subject:Re: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)

 So, I still managed to screw up the git URL, you want:
 git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git [1]

 I have the kits with me at the University accommodation, if you would
like to grab your kit early, please ping me on Twitter (@EvilDeece)
---------------------------------------------------
So, will we be using linux64/paho therein?
I couldn't find where you got it from, so spent most of Friday getting
it to run on my (formerly) 32-bit laptop (now multi-libbed, no
permanent damage done ;)

Cheers ... Duncan.

-------------------------
Email sent using Optus Webmail

Links:
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[1] https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

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From pia.waugh at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 13:25:39 2017
From: pia.waugh at gmail.com (Pia Waugh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:25:39 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Fwd: Martial Arts BoF
In-Reply-To: <CABSmA+CDcQ_VqGNCts_qZsJJJQYGu=tzn9O2tH81=k+fVJhP0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABSmA+CDcQ_VqGNCts_qZsJJJQYGu=tzn9O2tH81=k+fVJhP0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABSmA+DeHh6T7_EYyKtkfZvxnbPBvCu7aJvKKM2XaXU9Bgum=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

We haven't done this for a few years, but if you do, or are interested in
Martial Arts, please come along to share and learn.

This BoF is to share knowledge and skills about our Martial Arts
traditions. It will be a safe space, where everyone's contributions will be
welcome, irregardless of how long you've been training, or which martial
tradition you harken from.

Please come willing to share about your martial art:

   - Where it comes from
   - Something about it's (perhaps it's philosophy, or particular approach)
   - Something about your journey with your Art
   - (If you're willing) a demo, or a practice we can see/participate in

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
sessions/martial_arts_bof/

When we have done this in previous years, we have had a healthy mix of
different arts and all learned a lot, so hopefully a few can come along :)
We'll figure out a venue in the coming day or two.

Cheers,
Pia
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From p at delfante.it  Mon Jan 16 16:49:17 2017
From: p at delfante.it (Paul Del)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:49:17 +0800
Subject: [Chat] Fwd: Martial Arts BoF
In-Reply-To: <CABSmA+DeHh6T7_EYyKtkfZvxnbPBvCu7aJvKKM2XaXU9Bgum=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABSmA+CDcQ_VqGNCts_qZsJJJQYGu=tzn9O2tH81=k+fVJhP0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABSmA+DeHh6T7_EYyKtkfZvxnbPBvCu7aJvKKM2XaXU9Bgum=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANM56ucU1zn7KhTUDs+V=18ftt8Pjp83vmLeHVquTRLsODvfCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Pia

That's a fantastic idea!

I was thinking the same things.

Any one interested in martial should attend :)

Cheers Paul

Android from a tiny tiny keyboard
On 16 Jan 2017 2:37 pm, "Pia Waugh via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We haven't done this for a few years, but if you do, or are interested in
> Martial Arts, please come along to share and learn.
>
> This BoF is to share knowledge and skills about our Martial Arts
> traditions. It will be a safe space, where everyone's contributions will be
> welcome, irregardless of how long you've been training, or which martial
> tradition you harken from.
>
> Please come willing to share about your martial art:
>
>    - Where it comes from
>    - Something about it's (perhaps it's philosophy, or particular
>    approach)
>    - Something about your journey with your Art
>    - (If you're willing) a demo, or a practice we can see/participate in
>
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
> sions/martial_arts_bof/
>
> When we have done this in previous years, we have had a healthy mix of
> different arts and all learned a lot, so hopefully a few can come along :)
> We'll figure out a venue in the coming day or two.
>
> Cheers,
> Pia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 16:52:13 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:52:13 +1100
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG73kvWU3_S310vQT8XUeQGsswQ7iMqOm-f_Da8sUA3ZboLxmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
Do we have a room designated? I think we should try and snaffle one with a
door we can close for private conversation etc.

P.

On 15 Jan. 2017 13:36, "John Dalton via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
> BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
> community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.
>
> We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
> to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
> people who care.
>
> Details are on the wiki:
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
> sessions/bluehackers/
>
> You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
> you can use to show your support of this initiative.
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Yours,
>
> John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From john at johndalton.info  Mon Jan 16 16:53:58 2017
From: john at johndalton.info (John Dalton)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 05:53:58 +0000
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvWU3_S310vQT8XUeQGsswQ7iMqOm-f_Da8sUA3ZboLxmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWU3_S310vQT8XUeQGsswQ7iMqOm-f_Da8sUA3ZboLxmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABFxdF2D8hE2RxNwP-eUfDnLeR2wYorzQZ_SgX9Krzex=QxZsA@mail.gmail.com>

I think that's a good idea. Hopefully we can grab one of the Tasman rooms?
The boardwalk gallery may be noisy with the github event up there.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 at 16:52, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
> Do we have a room designated? I think we should try and snaffle one with a
> door we can close for private conversation etc.
>
> P.
>
> On 15 Jan. 2017 13:36, "John Dalton via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
> BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
> community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.
>
> We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
> to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
> people who care.
>
> Details are on the wiki:
>
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/bluehackers/
>
> You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
> you can use to show your support of this initiative.
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Yours,
>
> John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
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From la at mjec.net  Mon Jan 16 17:35:46 2017
From: la at mjec.net (Michael Cordover)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CABFxdF2D8hE2RxNwP-eUfDnLeR2wYorzQZ_SgX9Krzex=QxZsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWU3_S310vQT8XUeQGsswQ7iMqOm-f_Da8sUA3ZboLxmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABFxdF2D8hE2RxNwP-eUfDnLeR2wYorzQZ_SgX9Krzex=QxZsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1484548546.2759880.848830520.5E73096A@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I have a non-conference dinner I have to get to but I'm with y'all
in spirit.


Michael



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017, at 00:53, John Dalton via Chat wrote:

> I think that's a good idea. Hopefully we can grab one of the
> Tasman rooms? The boardwalk gallery may be noisy with the github
> event up there.
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 at 16:52, Peter Lawler
> <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi John,

>> Do we have a room designated? I think we should try and snaffle one
>> with a door we can close for private conversation etc.
>> 

>> P.

>> 

>> On 15 Jan. 2017 13:36, "John Dalton via Chat"
>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a
>>> BlueHackers BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group
>>> discussion for anyone in our community who is affected by depression
>>> or mental health issues.
>>> 

>>> We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and
>>> listen to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and
>>> that there are people who care.
>>> 

>>> Details are on the wiki:

>>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/bluehackers/
>>> 

>>> You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue,
>>> which you can use to show your support of this initiative.
>>> 

>>> Hope to see you there!

>>> 

>>> Yours,

>>> 

>>> John

>>> 

>>> _______________________________________________

>>>  Chat mailing list

>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au

>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

>>> 

> _________________________________________________

> Chat mailing list

> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au

> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From adam at adamharvey.name  Mon Jan 16 17:38:23 2017
From: adam at adamharvey.name (Adam Harvey)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:38:23 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
Message-ID: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>

We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first ever
Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU Refectory
and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA, except for the
ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not just unprofessional in
name.)

Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let that
stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly, eating
the finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.

*Here's what you need to know:*

*PLACE*: Errol Flynn Reserve <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384119236>
(search for "Short Beach" on Google Maps, as it doesn't know the real name
for some reason)
*TIME*: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
*PRICE*: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
dietary requirements when signing up); we will *not* be selling drinks this
year
*SIGNUPS*: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ?
all welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get
additional barbecue space

*Things that we could use help with:*

Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend us an
esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch if you can
help with either!

*Drinks?*

We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ
<https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/faq/> includes a map
<http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/unpdns-2017_121149> of your options to
purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park. Tasmanian law[0] permits
responsible consumption of alcohol in most parks outside of central Hobart
(including the one we're using), but please remember that you will be
subject to Tasmania's laws around public intoxication. Save the whisk(e)y
for the whisk(e)y BOF.

Hope to see you all there!

Adam, unprofessional unorganiser

PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park has
a lot of grass.

[0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?
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From john at johndalton.info  Mon Jan 16 17:41:47 2017
From: john at johndalton.info (John Dalton)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:41:47 +0000
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CABFxdF2D8hE2RxNwP-eUfDnLeR2wYorzQZ_SgX9Krzex=QxZsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWU3_S310vQT8XUeQGsswQ7iMqOm-f_Da8sUA3ZboLxmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABFxdF2D8hE2RxNwP-eUfDnLeR2wYorzQZ_SgX9Krzex=QxZsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABFxdF3_Z4Mf18A+v90jacDTz7MdT1uk8ZUgC1Saey7fVXCJFA@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, the BlueHackers BoF will be held in Wellington 1 (at the bottom of the
escalator, opposite check-in) after the Linux Australia AGM concludes.

J.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 at 16:53, John Dalton <john at johndalton.info> wrote:

> I think that's a good idea. Hopefully we can grab one of the Tasman rooms?
> The boardwalk gallery may be noisy with the github event up there.
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 at 16:52, Peter Lawler <relwalretep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
> Do we have a room designated? I think we should try and snaffle one with a
> door we can close for private conversation etc.
>
> P.
>
> On 15 Jan. 2017 13:36, "John Dalton via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
> BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
> community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.
>
> We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
> to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
> people who care.
>
> Details are on the wiki:
>
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/bluehackers/
>
> You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
> you can use to show your support of this initiative.
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Yours,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Chat mailing list
>
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
>
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From matthew.chapman at exablaze.com  Mon Jan 16 17:42:39 2017
From: matthew.chapman at exablaze.com (Matthew Chapman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:42:39 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Musical instruments
Message-ID: <CAKU5UzduMhy9JvtVPiBvPUtPV8MQsvdVOweJhP9gmJz4HN8c4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Does anyone know, is there anywhere in Hobart that I could hire a guitar,
ukulele or similar instrument?  Or if anyone has one they're happy to lend
I can pay in beer or food.  I was travelling before LCA and decided not to
carry one, but now I'm regretting that decision...

(I did find a piano in one of the UTas common rooms.  But residents use the
adjoining kitchen so, not being a spectacular pianist or singer, I feel a
bit self-conscious playing it.)

Matt
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From lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz  Mon Jan 16 17:50:20 2017
From: lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:50:20 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Sysadmin Minconf: Slides online now
Message-ID: <647c7e4f-a007-a67f-6425-62bb1164832d@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>

All the slides from the Systems Administration Miniconf are now online, 
linked from the Sysadmin Miniconf Programme:

http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/programme17.html

(A couple of talks were mostly demos, for which you'll probably need to 
wait for the videos to come out to see what you missed; but there are a 
few notes/slides even for those talks to give you a flavour of what to 
expect.)

Thanks to all our speakers for presenting, and being so prompt in 
providing their slides.  Also thanks very much to LCA and the LCA 
volunteers for helping keep everything running smoothly.

Ewen

From duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jan 16 18:02:08 2017
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au (duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:02:08 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f66f3da9aefe95d9f8ccf15063f7a0ed394e27dc@webmail.optusnet.com.au>

How do I edit my name onto the wiki?

Cheers ... Duncan.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Harvey" <adam at adamharvey.name>
To:<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:38:23 +1100
Subject:[Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session

We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first
ever Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU
Refectory and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA,
except for the ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not
just unprofessional in name.)

Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let
that stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly,
eating the finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW:

PLACE: Errol Flynn Reserve [1] (search for "Short Beach" on Google
Maps, as it doesn't know the real name for some reason)
TIME: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
PRICE: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
dietary requirements when signing up); we will not?be selling drinks
this year
SIGNUPS: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/
[2]?? all welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we
can't get additional barbecue space

THINGS THAT WE COULD USE HELP WITH:

Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend
us an esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch
if you can help with either!

DRINKS?

We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ [3] includes a map [4]
of your options to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park.
Tasmanian law[0] permits responsible consumption of alcohol in most
parks outside of central Hobart (including the one we're using), but
please remember that you will be subject to Tasmania's laws around
public intoxication. Save the whisk(e)y for the whisk(e)y BOF.

Hope to see you all there!

Adam, unprofessional unorganiser

PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park
has a lot of grass.

[0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right? 
-------------------------
Email sent using Optus Webmail

Links:
------
[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384119236
[2] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/
[3] https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/faq/
[4] http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/unpdns-2017_121149

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From techman83 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 18:11:52 2017
From: techman83 at gmail.com (Leon Wright)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:11:52 +0800
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGHRBmT5e0uFOZDgzVOWkeP5s3NB8e0u5xCO9E7V4E667SG5jA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be along! Can talk on mood tracking, hacking and graphing if there is
interest

Leon

On 15 Jan 2017 14:06, "John Dalton via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
> BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
> community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.
>
> We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
> to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
> people who care.
>
> Details are on the wiki:
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
> sessions/bluehackers/
>
> You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
> you can use to show your support of this initiative.
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> Yours,
>
> John
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Mon Jan 16 18:49:19 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:49:19 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Dinner plans? (Monday)
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZWOSA4JipP9WV9yZcgv6RctJ4iRt0Y-=7jowt6VrwXAcg@mail.gmail.com>

Are there dinner-type things happening that are open to hangers-on? If so,
where/when?


Cheers,

Jessica
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From sjh at svana.org  Mon Jan 16 18:56:13 2017
From: sjh at svana.org (Steven Hanley)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:56:13 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF Tuesday
Message-ID: <20170116075613.GF11546@svana.org>

All

Matthew and I will be doing a rather silly hard run in the morning. 4:50am
start from the meeting point (intersection of College Rd and French St) for
a 30km hilly run.

Others are likely to head out for a more sensible run at 6am from the same
location.

	See You
	    Steve

-- 
Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
what if it's just us down here
what if god is just an idea
someone put in your head
   What If No One's Watching - Imperfectly - Ani

From jacinta.richardson.ph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 19:09:11 2017
From: jacinta.richardson.ph at gmail.com (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:09:11 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <f66f3da9aefe95d9f8ccf15063f7a0ed394e27dc@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f66f3da9aefe95d9f8ccf15063f7a0ed394e27dc@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAK+M7nJKntX62dDGy5f5kXw5xhk0M-YCkZpeU+DeD9eSgReLwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Duncan,

Step 1: log in.  Start here if you can't work out how:
https://linux.conf.au/dashboard/
Step 2: Go back to the wiki page:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/
Step 3: Find the (now existing) Edit button, just under the top heading.
Step 4: Add your  name, and save the changes.

All the best,

   J

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 PM duncan_roe--- via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> How do I edit my name onto the wiki?
>
> Cheers ... Duncan.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Adam Harvey" <adam at adamharvey.name>
>
> To:
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:38:23 +1100
> Subject:
> [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
>
>
>
>
> We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first
> ever Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU
> Refectory and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA,
> except for the ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not just
> unprofessional in name.)
>
> Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let that
> stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly, eating
> the finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.
>
> *Here's what you need to know:*
>
> *PLACE*: Errol Flynn Reserve <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384119236>
> (search for "Short Beach" on Google Maps, as it doesn't know the real name
> for some reason)
> *TIME*: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
> *PRICE*: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
> dietary requirements when signing up); we will *not* be selling drinks
> this year
> *SIGNUPS*: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ?
> all welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get
> additional barbecue space
>
> *Things that we could use help with:*
>
> Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
> products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend us an
> esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch if you can
> help with either!
>
> *Drinks?*
>
> We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ
> <https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/faq/> includes a map
> <http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/unpdns-2017_121149> of your options
> to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park. Tasmanian law[0]
> permits responsible consumption of alcohol in most parks outside of central
> Hobart (including the one we're using), but please remember that you will
> be subject to Tasmania's laws around public intoxication. Save the
> whisk(e)y for the whisk(e)y BOF.
>
> Hope to see you all there!
>
> Adam, unprofessional unorganiser
>
> PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park has
> a lot of grass.
>
> [0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?
>
> ------------------------------
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From jwpfox at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 19:32:50 2017
From: jwpfox at gmail.com (JWPFox)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:32:50 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+c7i0HneHVSqw+vmHR3+7A3LgZ7PoYDxmSvg1+5Qb0F2_p7YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just so people know.

The reserve is a popular ?free dog? area so there will quite a few
friendly, happy dogs off their leash having their evening run during the
event (or at least the beginning).

That might might make ball games interesting as far as extra fielding
services provided by well meaning canines.

Possibly a concern to people who have issues with dogs.
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From josh at zindello.com.au  Mon Jan 16 19:59:28 2017
From: josh at zindello.com.au (Joshua Mesilane)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:59:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CA+c7i0HneHVSqw+vmHR3+7A3LgZ7PoYDxmSvg1+5Qb0F2_p7YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+c7i0HneHVSqw+vmHR3+7A3LgZ7PoYDxmSvg1+5Qb0F2_p7YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFSnpMJ-Zsk3Pd9gji5CGi17X8GWyNKJepOCDOf3Zp4nqeNBFQ@mail.gmail.com>

You may have just sold this event for me!

Missing my dogs that are back home!


---
0416039082
josh at zindello.com.au
http://www.zindello.com.au/

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:32 PM, JWPFox via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Just so people know.
>
> The reserve is a popular ?free dog? area so there will quite a few
> friendly, happy dogs off their leash having their evening run during the
> event (or at least the beginning).
>
> That might might make ball games interesting as far as extra fielding
> services provided by well meaning canines.
>
> Possibly a concern to people who have issues with dogs.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From michael at cassaniti.id.au  Mon Jan 16 20:07:56 2017
From: michael at cassaniti.id.au (Michael Cassaniti)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:07:56 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <f66f3da9aefe95d9f8ccf15063f7a0ed394e27dc@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
References: <f66f3da9aefe95d9f8ccf15063f7a0ed394e27dc@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <1a0f5a5b-f85e-4233-5a07-039b51bc2026@cassaniti.id.au>

Sign into linux.conf.au then edit the page.


On 2017-01-16 18:02, duncan_roe--- via Chat wrote:
> How do I edit my name onto the wiki?
>
> Cheers ... Duncan.
>
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From:
>     "Adam Harvey" <adam at adamharvey.name>
>
>     To:
>     <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
>     Cc:
>
>     Sent:
>     Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:38:23 +1100
>     Subject:
>     [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
>
>
>     We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the
>     first ever Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at
>     the TUU Refectory and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at
>     every LCA, except for the ones where we couldn't be bothered.
>     (Hey, we're not just unprofessional in name.)
>
>     Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't
>     let that stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most
>     importantly, eating the finest cuisine we can get for gold coins
>     from Coles.
>
>     *Here's what you need to know:*
>
>     *PLACE*: Errol Flynn Reserve
>     <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384119236> (search for "Short
>     Beach" on Google Maps, as it doesn't know the real name for some
>     reason)
>     *TIME*: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
>     *PRICE*: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread;
>     please note dietary requirements when signing up); we will
>     _not_ be selling drinks this year
>     *SIGNUPS*: on the wiki at
>     https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ? all welcome, but
>     we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get additional
>     barbecue space
>
>     *Things that we could use help with:*
>     *
>     *
>     Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat
>     based products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two
>     could lend us an esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday.
>     Please get in touch if you can help with either!
>
>     *Drinks?*
>
>     We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ
>     <https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/faq/> includes a map
>     <http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/unpdns-2017_121149> of your
>     options to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park.
>     Tasmanian law[0] permits responsible consumption of alcohol in
>     most parks outside of central Hobart (including the one we're
>     using), but please remember that you will be subject to Tasmania's
>     laws around public intoxication. Save the whisk(e)y for the
>     whisk(e)y BOF.
>
>     Hope to see you all there!
>
>     Adam, unprofessional unorganiser
>
>     PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The
>     park has a lot of grass.
>
>     [0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 20:15:50 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:15:50 +1100
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CAG73kvX4k2HGr-e9=-HVQ9t382CDOFDH3bDN9eoniVS3k4CG2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG73kvWoR82baeu93cS_U9E5t63vO1tWcc3x_45+WoCKFESLgA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for organising and running this, John.

P.

On 15 Jan. 2017 1:36 pm, "John Dalton via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi all,

On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.

We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
people who care.

Details are on the wiki:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
sessions/bluehackers/

You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
you can use to show your support of this initiative.

Hope to see you there!

Yours,

John


_______________________________________________
Chat mailing list
Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From matthew.chapman at exablaze.com  Mon Jan 16 20:40:43 2017
From: matthew.chapman at exablaze.com (Matthew Chapman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:40:43 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Trail running at LCA2017?
Message-ID: <CAKU5UzfSo1MN+UYPcCb57_=ML+k2hMYnq1d=f=_baxz=u6mUdA@mail.gmail.com>

Went for a walkrun up the hill behind the student accommodation this
evening, can recommend.  Lots of wallabies around (and rabbits).

Matt


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Michael Cordover <la at mjec.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 20:50, Michael Still wrote:
>
> The student accomodation looks very convenient to an undeveloped area
> (possibly called Mount Nelson based on road names?).
>
>
> Yup, that's Mount Nelson! Well actually the whole area is called Mount
> Nelson, but that's certainly a bit of it.
>
> So... Is that area public land? Can I run there? If so, does anyone else
> want to come for a group run sometime during LCA?
>
>
> I'm not aware of it being public land per se, but I'm confident you can
> run through there without getting into trouble. Be warned though, it is a
> pretty steep climb. You may note that next to the greenery is Nelson Road,
> which winds back and forth several times because the climb is too steep for
> a straight road.
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pia.waugh at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 21:19:24 2017
From: pia.waugh at gmail.com (Pia Waugh)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:19:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Fwd: Martial Arts BoF
In-Reply-To: <CANM56ucU1zn7KhTUDs+V=18ftt8Pjp83vmLeHVquTRLsODvfCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABSmA+CDcQ_VqGNCts_qZsJJJQYGu=tzn9O2tH81=k+fVJhP0Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABSmA+DeHh6T7_EYyKtkfZvxnbPBvCu7aJvKKM2XaXU9Bgum=w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANM56ucU1zn7KhTUDs+V=18ftt8Pjp83vmLeHVquTRLsODvfCw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks! :)
On 16 Jan 2017 16:49, "Paul Del" <p at delfante.it> wrote:

> Hey Pia
>
> That's a fantastic idea!
>
> I was thinking the same things.
>
> Any one interested in martial should attend :)
>
> Cheers Paul
>
> Android from a tiny tiny keyboard
> On 16 Jan 2017 2:37 pm, "Pia Waugh via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We haven't done this for a few years, but if you do, or are interested in
>> Martial Arts, please come along to share and learn.
>>
>> This BoF is to share knowledge and skills about our Martial Arts
>> traditions. It will be a safe space, where everyone's contributions will be
>> welcome, irregardless of how long you've been training, or which martial
>> tradition you harken from.
>>
>> Please come willing to share about your martial art:
>>
>>    - Where it comes from
>>    - Something about it's (perhaps it's philosophy, or particular
>>    approach)
>>    - Something about your journey with your Art
>>    - (If you're willing) a demo, or a practice we can see/participate in
>>
>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
>> sions/martial_arts_bof/
>>
>> When we have done this in previous years, we have had a healthy mix of
>> different arts and all learned a lot, so hopefully a few can come along :)
>> We'll figure out a venue in the coming day or two.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pia
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
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From techman83 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 21:48:07 2017
From: techman83 at gmail.com (Leon Wright)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:48:07 +0800
Subject: [Chat] BlueHackers BoF on Monday evening (after AGM)
In-Reply-To: <CAGHRBmSwGtBpZ3jpuHoqA-rYH1K3mbutFEH4OuquThjoWra6uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFxdF2NVmMdw+im3nr+J4OqsSEbczOiQcDKe9D9mEn8sWv8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvX4k2HGr-e9=-HVQ9t382CDOFDH3bDN9eoniVS3k4CG2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAG73kvWoR82baeu93cS_U9E5t63vO1tWcc3x_45+WoCKFESLgA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGHRBmR4iq=PGab3V8cEFUJy9v6tV7ECCZVpZNtM4VBJw=WKDg@mail.gmail.com>

+1

Here's the repo for the graphing:

https://github.com/techman83/app-imoodjournal

Pretty sure 'iMoodjournal' is both iOS and Android (I use the latter), it
is a paid app but the devs backed up a service to process the CSV against
weather records, which sounded super cool.

Leon

On 16 Jan 2017 20:52, "Peter Lawler via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Thanks for organising and running this, John.

P.

On 15 Jan. 2017 1:36 pm, "John Dalton via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi all,

On Monday evening (following the LA AGM) we'll be holding a BlueHackers
BoF.  This is an informal and supportive group discussion for anyone in our
community who is affected by depression or mental health issues.

We invite people to come and share their stories, or just come and listen
to others - either way, to know that you are not alone and that there are
people who care.

Details are on the wiki:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
sions/bluehackers/

You'll also be able to find some BlueHackers stickers at the venue, which
you can use to show your support of this initiative.

Hope to see you there!

Yours,

John


_______________________________________________
Chat mailing list
Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



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From jan at centricular.com  Mon Jan 16 22:32:33 2017
From: jan at centricular.com (Jan Schmidt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 22:32:33 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Musical instruments
In-Reply-To: <CAKU5UzduMhy9JvtVPiBvPUtPV8MQsvdVOweJhP9gmJz4HN8c4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKU5UzduMhy9JvtVPiBvPUtPV8MQsvdVOweJhP9gmJz4HN8c4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f85a310a-5712-6f71-0b55-14d4b94e954f@centricular.com>

On 16/01/17 17:42, Matthew Chapman via Chat wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone know, is there anywhere in Hobart that I could hire a
> guitar, ukulele or similar instrument?  Or if anyone has one they're
> happy to lend I can pay in beer or food.  I was travelling before LCA
> and decided not to carry one, but now I'm regretting that decision...

There is supposedly a Lulzbot 3D printer somewhere in a box, just gotta
win that raffle! ;)

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:691993

J.

> 
> (I did find a piano in one of the UTas common rooms.  But residents use
> the adjoining kitchen so, not being a spectacular pianist or singer, I
> feel a bit self-conscious playing it.)
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 

-- 
Jan Schmidt, Centricular Ltd - http://centricular.com/

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From andyg at geekscape.org  Tue Jan 17 00:13:02 2017
From: andyg at geekscape.org (Andy Gelme)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:13:02 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini-Conference schedule updated
Message-ID: <367fa0cc-8d75-297d-d921-73c47c11003d@geekscape.org>

hi All,

Open Hardware Mini-Conference schedule updated ...
   http://www.openhardwareconf.org/wiki/OHC2017#Schedule

People are welcome to drop-by before lunch and see what assembling
hardware is all about.

After lunch, the presentations are intended for a broader audience than
only those who assembled the hardware kit in the morning.  If you have
an interest in hardware and software development for microcontrollers,
especially those that incorporate Wi-Fi and Bluetooth networking, then
please join us !

These devices are becoming more powerful and less costly ... as silicon
devices tend to do.  In addition, the barriers to entry are being
continually lowered.  If you want to add computation and communications
to *anything* in the physical world fairly inexpensively ... then, this
is an excellent way to start.

  * 10:40 - 10:50 *Welcome & Introduction*
  * 10:50 - 12:20 *IoTuz Assembly Workshop* (registration required to
    participate, spectators also welcome)
  * 12:20 - 1:20 Lunch
  * 1:20 - 1:50 *Angus Gratton*: ESP32 microcontroller hardware and software
  * 1:55 - 2:25 *Bob Powers*: IoTuz hardware design, manufacturing,
    working with KiCad
  * 2:30 - 300 *Mark Wolfe*: IoTuz software design challenges and
    ESP-IDF (Iot Development Framework)
  * 3:00 - 3:40 Afternoon Tea
  * 3:40 - 4:20 *Nick Moore*: microPython for ESP32
  * 4:20 - 4:40 *Andy Gelme*: ESP32 development example using IoTuz
  * 4:40 - 5:10 *Lightning Talks* (5 minutes)
      o *Tim Ansell*: I'm Tomu - A hobbyist device which fits inside
        your USB port
      o *Kristine Howard*: Granny was a hacker
      o *Marc Merlin*: How to row scan an 8x8 LED matrix
      o *Jill Rowling*: Alpaca fibre quality control
      o *Julien Goodwin*: USB-C features and a USB-PD project
      o Spare slot
  * 5:10 - 5:20 *Wrap Up *


-- 
-O-  cheers  =  /\ /\/ /) `/ =
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Tue Jan 17 00:22:25 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:22:25 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

TL;DR: We have a bus! We have slightly more people signed up than we can
accommodate. Also, please DO read on for the details...


OK, wow. You bunch of space nerds, you!

Interest in the Astronomy BoF event has been extremely strong and we are
now slightly oversubscribed. The Observatory has kindly offered to increase
their maximum tour size from 40 to 45 people, but this is a hard limit so
we absolutely can't take more than 45 people.

There has been some amazing generosity from several quarters that now means
that the event will be FREE (as in beer) to everyone who managed to get on
the list in time to make the 45.

 * Peter Lawler is generously covering the cost of the tour ($150)
 * Secret Lab [ http://www.secretlab.com.au/ ] is providing $300 in
sponsorship towards the cost of a charter bus for the event.
 * The LCA Organising Committee have generously offered to cover the
balance of the charter bus hire.

I've updated the wiki page to reflect the no-longer-tentative nature of the
event, and to remove availability info from the list of people who've
signed up. I haven't reordered the list, so it mostly represents the order
in which people signed up. The wiki edit history will be used to help make
sure that those who got in first have first shot at attending.

There are a handful of early registrants who have indicated that they'll be
bringing a +1 (or +several). If you're one of these people, please edit
your entry to confirm the final figure for your +n, including their names
on the line of your entry. Please don't add anyone that you hadn't already
arranged to bring along.

Once we have those updates, I'll do a final list cull and move anyone who
signed up after we reached the 45 person limit to a wait list below the
main list. It's possible that there may be a handful of cancellations, in
which case people on the waitlist will be moved to the main list.

Please make your edits ASAP at
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/,
and please pass on your thanks when you see Peter or the folks from Secret
Lab or the LCA Organising Committee.


Cheers,

Jessica
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From dns at dns.id.au  Tue Jan 17 00:26:41 2017
From: dns at dns.id.au (Daniel Sobey)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:26:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <20170111022653.GV4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello list,

Just a final reminder for anyone that wants thair gpg key signined in the
key signing BOF to sumbit your gpg keys to https://keysigning.xyz
Submisions close in 24 hours.

As the astronomy BOF and the UPDNS are also happening on thursday night it
has been suggested that we move this bof to another time slot.
As there is a spare room on friday for BOF sessions we could do it then.
Othewise we could do it during lunch on Thursday or Friday.
Please email me what time is best for you.

Regards,

Daniel
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Tue Jan 17 00:38:07 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:38:07 +1100
Subject: [Chat] NCSS alumni
Message-ID: <CALn+=Jq6L8-EU3TM_-sNv_hH7Z50hERki6ovHta-pFhicwuH_Q@mail.gmail.com>

USyd's National Computer Science School (formerly the {Compuware,
Unisys University of Sydney} Computer Science School) has produced
many distinguished alumni, some of whom go to conferences, of whom
some go to LCA. I've spotted quite a few NCSS people from my year
(2009) around the place at LCAs before, but it would be fun to try and
find as many NCSSers as possible.

If you've ever attended or been involved with NCSS (or CCSS, or
UUSCSS...) as a student or tutor, and don't have any other more
exciting plans for lunch later today, come find me somewhere around
the doors to Plenary Hall. In lieu of having an NCSS shirt with me,
I'll be wearing an obnoxious yellow shirt.

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 08:06:40 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:06:40 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini-Conference schedule updated
In-Reply-To: <367fa0cc-8d75-297d-d921-73c47c11003d@geekscape.org>
References: <367fa0cc-8d75-297d-d921-73c47c11003d@geekscape.org>
Message-ID: <CAG73kvX0NMp109AaRUitHYxELErYkYN1OXLhTFwe80SAVN2gPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy,
I know of at least one person attending who isn't on this mail list. I
trust you've sent these details to all attendees.

P.

On 17 Jan. 2017 12:22 am, "Andy Gelme via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> hi All,
>
> Open Hardware Mini-Conference schedule updated ...
>    http://www.openhardwareconf.org/wiki/OHC2017#Schedule
>
> People are welcome to drop-by before lunch and see what assembling
> hardware is all about.
>
> After lunch, the presentations are intended for a broader audience than
> only those who assembled the hardware kit in the morning.  If you have an
> interest in hardware and software development for microcontrollers,
> especially those that incorporate Wi-Fi and Bluetooth networking, then
> please join us !
>
> These devices are becoming more powerful and less costly ... as silicon
> devices tend to do.  In addition, the barriers to entry are being
> continually lowered.  If you want to add computation and communications to
> *anything* in the physical world fairly inexpensively ... then, this is an
> excellent way to start.
>
>
>    - 10:40 - 10:50 *Welcome & Introduction*
>    - 10:50 - 12:20 *IoTuz Assembly Workshop* (registration required to
>    participate, spectators also welcome)
>    - 12:20 - 1:20 Lunch
>    - 1:20 - 1:50 *Angus Gratton*: ESP32 microcontroller hardware and
>    software
>    - 1:55 - 2:25 *Bob Powers*: IoTuz hardware design, manufacturing,
>    working with KiCad
>    - 2:30 - 300 *Mark Wolfe*: IoTuz software design challenges and
>    ESP-IDF (Iot Development Framework)
>    - 3:00 - 3:40 Afternoon Tea
>    - 3:40 - 4:20 *Nick Moore*: microPython for ESP32
>    - 4:20 - 4:40 *Andy Gelme*: ESP32 development example using IoTuz
>    - 4:40 - 5:10 *Lightning Talks* (5 minutes)
>       - *Tim Ansell*: I'm Tomu - A hobbyist device which fits inside your
>       USB port
>       - *Kristine Howard*: Granny was a hacker
>       - *Marc Merlin*: How to row scan an 8x8 LED matrix
>       - *Jill Rowling*: Alpaca fibre quality control
>       - *Julien Goodwin*: USB-C features and a USB-PD project
>       - Spare slot
>    - 5:10 - 5:20 *Wrap Up *
>
>
> --
> -O-  cheers  =  /\ /\/ /) `/ =
> --O                           --  http://www.geekscape.org     --
> OOO  --  andyg at geekscape.org  --  http://twitter.com/geekscape --
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From michael at cassaniti.id.au  Tue Jan 17 08:07:22 2017
From: michael at cassaniti.id.au (Michael Cassaniti)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:07:22 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGpxrp=SAi1Y1zu47SiwTo6Nhb8v5Gir-tcYW4X5vm6Skg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <622890B6-E988-462E-AB0A-E7685F3109BC@cassaniti.id.au>

Can we also have a bit of a think about the CACert side too? I don't expect much interest, but we may need a decent amount of time if they are back to back.

On 17 January 2017 12:26:41 AM LHDT, Daniel Sobey via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>Hello list,
>
>Just a final reminder for anyone that wants thair gpg key signined in
>the
>key signing BOF to sumbit your gpg keys to https://keysigning.xyz
>Submisions close in 24 hours.
>
>As the astronomy BOF and the UPDNS are also happening on thursday night
>it
>has been suggested that we move this bof to another time slot.
>As there is a spare room on friday for BOF sessions we could do it
>then.
>Othewise we could do it during lunch on Thursday or Friday.
>Please email me what time is best for you.
>
>Regards,
>
>Daniel
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From duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 17 08:49:01 2017
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au (duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:49:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <4AAA8C7D-CDA3-4653-A7CA-3034E985FF82@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <c3a5d5a7bec70978503b720cb5a9ea28ec01326b@webmail.optusnet.com.au>

Both Node.js and node-red want to install the same utilities (npm and
node).
Do we really need both?

Cheers ... Duncan.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alastair D'Silva via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
Cc: 
Sent: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:29:22 +1100
Subject: Re: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
 So, I still managed to screw up the git URL, you want:
 git clone https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git [1]

 I have the kits with me at the University accommodation, if you would
like to grab your kit early, please ping me on Twitter (@EvilDeece)
 -- 
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 
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Links:
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[1] https://github.com/InfernoEmbedded/esp-workshop.git

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From dhawke at oss.co.nz  Tue Jan 17 09:06:03 2017
From: dhawke at oss.co.nz (Dan Hawke)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:06:03 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Tuesday (and ongoing) Lunch
Message-ID: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.74566B3C-F1CA-412F-A4EC-0916CB28CAA2@mail.outlook.com>

Same time, same place (for those that didn't come yesterday, details below :))
This will be a daily event for the rest of the week

 - Dan

		_____________________________
From: Dan Hawke via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:37
Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Monday Lunch
To:  <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>


Hi all, for those that wish to enjoy the catered lunch in a group, please come along to the Queer BoF Monday "soft launch" at lunchtime - by the fountain at the entrance to the grassy area. Grab some lunch and come along approx 12:30pm. https://goo.gl/maps/om6jxh3ZtLqIf coming from upstairs, turn left after onyx bar, follow signs for boardwalk.
Lat, Long: -42.9019,147.3377
If you haven't read this yet, please do:https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/queer_bof/

 - Dan



	
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From adam at adamharvey.name  Tue Jan 17 09:08:32 2017
From: adam at adamharvey.name (Adam Harvey)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:08:32 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CAK+M7nJKntX62dDGy5f5kXw5xhk0M-YCkZpeU+DeD9eSgReLwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
 <f66f3da9aefe95d9f8ccf15063f7a0ed394e27dc@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
 <CAK+M7nJKntX62dDGy5f5kXw5xhk0M-YCkZpeU+DeD9eSgReLwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADajX4DJcahWiyYWB+0=8JSXa2CY8ugc_U4+OridCgzx7buSYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jacinta!

Also, if pain persists, please feel free to email me off list and I'll add
you.

Adam

On 16 Jan. 2017 19:09, "Jacinta Richardson via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi Duncan,

Step 1: log in.  Start here if you can't work out how:
https://linux.conf.au/dashboard/
Step 2: Go back to the wiki page: https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
conference/unpdns/
Step 3: Find the (now existing) Edit button, just under the top heading.
Step 4: Add your  name, and save the changes.

All the best,

   J

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 PM duncan_roe--- via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> How do I edit my name onto the wiki?
>
> Cheers ... Duncan.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Adam Harvey" <adam at adamharvey.name>
>
> To:
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:38:23 +1100
> Subject:
> [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
>
>
>
>
> We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first
> ever Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU
> Refectory and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA,
> except for the ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not just
> unprofessional in name.)
>
> Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let that
> stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly, eating
> the finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.
>
> *Here's what you need to know:*
>
> *PLACE*: Errol Flynn Reserve <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384119236>
> (search for "Short Beach" on Google Maps, as it doesn't know the real name
> for some reason)
> *TIME*: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
> *PRICE*: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
> dietary requirements when signing up); we will *not* be selling drinks
> this year
> *SIGNUPS*: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ?
> all welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get
> additional barbecue space
>
> *Things that we could use help with:*
>
> Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
> products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend us an
> esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch if you can
> help with either!
>
> *Drinks?*
>
> We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ
> <https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/faq/> includes a map
> <http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/unpdns-2017_121149> of your options
> to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park. Tasmanian law[0]
> permits responsible consumption of alcohol in most parks outside of central
> Hobart (including the one we're using), but please remember that you will
> be subject to Tasmania's laws around public intoxication. Save the
> whisk(e)y for the whisk(e)y BOF.
>
> Hope to see you all there!
>
> Adam, unprofessional unorganiser
>
> PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park has
> a lot of grass.
>
> [0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?
>
> ------------------------------
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
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From joshua.rich at elastic.co  Tue Jan 17 09:17:02 2017
From: joshua.rich at elastic.co (Joshua Rich)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 22:17:02 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Elastic, y'know for search! BoF!
Message-ID: <CAHNb3J9V9Ph2MP_Up7b6H6zu3xDt8kdzSeTgOzVrjjqyEzxeVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Mark (@warkolm) and me (Josh, @devopswannabe) are going to run a BoF on
Wednesday for all things Elastic and related!

We can talk about all things Elastic:

   - Elasticsearch
   - Logstash
   - Kibana
   - Beats (Filebeat, Metricbeat, etc.)
   - Prealert

We can talk a little about the new features in v5 of the stack, how to
migrate to the new version, how to secure your deployment and any else that
might come up!

We can also discuss any use-cases people have, and dig into how you would
implement it with the tools above.

Also, any other topics we can think of!

JOIN US

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/elastic-bof/
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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Tue Jan 17 09:40:44 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:40:44 +1100
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
Message-ID: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>

Hi,
Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
either... is there an organiser?

thanks,
kk

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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Tue Jan 17 10:24:32 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:24:32 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Tuesday (and ongoing) Lunch
In-Reply-To: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.74566B3C-F1CA-412F-A4EC-0916CB28CAA2@mail.outlook.com>
References: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.74566B3C-F1CA-412F-A4EC-0916CB28CAA2@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZVenPG64zCMjBk9zDEcp4aq2pTn3fEDhgsJO1u_6D3isA@mail.gmail.com>

Could we perhaps move it to a shady spot please? I saw a covered area with
seats on the boardwalk just where you exit the building that might be
suitable?


Cheers,

Jessica

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 at 09:06, Dan Hawke via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

>
>
> Same time, same place (for those that didn't come yesterday, details below
> :))
>
> This will be a daily event for the rest of the week
>
> - Dan
>
>
>
> _____________________________
> From: Dan Hawke via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:37
> Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Monday Lunch
> To: <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
>
>
> Hi all, for those that wish to enjoy the catered lunch in a group, please
> come along to the Queer BoF Monday "soft launch" at lunchtime - by the
> fountain at the entrance to the grassy area. Grab some lunch and come along
> approx 12:30pm. https://goo.gl/maps/om6jxh3ZtLq
> If coming from upstairs, turn left after onyx bar, follow signs for
> boardwalk.
>
> Lat, Long: -42.9019,147.3377
>
> If you haven't read this yet, please do:
>
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/queer_bof/
>
> - Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Chat mailing list
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From roachish at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 10:55:02 2017
From: roachish at gmail.com (Brett James)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:55:02 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Hackerspaces BoF
Message-ID: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>

Last year was a good chance for all the regional and local Hack and
Makerspaces to get together, say hi and talk about what projects they are
happy with and what's going well/not so well for them.

If there is interest, would we like to catch up again? I'm penciling in a
tentative Thursday Lunchtime, but I'm open for any other time that suits.

I've made a Wiki Entry here:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/hackerspaces/
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From sellis at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 10:58:27 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:58:27 +1100
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
In-Reply-To: <CABLbxQ3oyi4eSEFdcOyd+UOb6s3H=Gyxje2x6UcyFpzabaR83Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>
 <CABLbxQ1GnswUVbQ=73AGpSsevL5cCuapHjqT0g5=8oNktTq91Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ3oyi4eSEFdcOyd+UOb6s3H=Gyxje2x6UcyFpzabaR83Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABLbxQ2SdF=7PVf41htFJ9noOpeobd=mO+7TmEhExqE8ZNF7PA@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like my email didn't make it to the list.

How does Friday lunch time suit everyone?

On 17/01/2017 10:22 AM, "Karl Goetz via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi,
Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
either... is there an organiser?

thanks,
kk


_______________________________________________
Chat mailing list
Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From jwpfox at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 11:18:14 2017
From: jwpfox at gmail.com (JWPFox)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:18:14 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Docs Down Under MiniConf
Message-ID: <CA+c7i0EBGOb631kkw2N0bTEQtPnf-2YavcGiBHQkbhO6VKYU7w@mail.gmail.com>

A question was asked about ways to get people to understand that
documenting in MSWord is not always the most advanced approach available.

A very small online tool that can help with this is:
https://word-to-markdown.herokuapp.com

That can allow you to write in MSWord and achieve a lightweight conversion
to MarkDown. This can mean you write for the boss in MSWord and create a
personal duplicate in MarkDown.

I've had success with showing people my personal copy in parallel which can
'sell' the advantages in a concrete way (Show don't Tell and all that).
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From sjh at svana.org  Tue Jan 17 11:27:42 2017
From: sjh at svana.org (Steven Hanley)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:27:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF Wednesday - flat hobart rivulet to the Cascade
 brewery
Message-ID: <20170117002742.GJ11546@svana.org>

All

So I did get out for my silly adventure this morning, gorgeous morning for
it, however I ran a little long so will need to watch Pia's keynote on
video.

Photos at http://svana.org/photos/kunyani_20170117/

Though not commented or really easily viewed yet (just the files)

Tomorrow for something significantly more sensible and inclusive. The Hobaet
Rivulet track is really pretty and remarkably flat. Also it goes to the
Cascade brewery.

Stewart sounds keen to join us from Wrest point.

So it is around 10km if we did it as an out and back from the meeting point.
However the plan is to come back on some of the streets from the brewery to
the uni higher up so less than 10 KM. Stewart may head back after 1km or so
ont he rivulet rack so there are many options.

Wednesday morning 06:00am from the College Rd, French St intersection.

We will run along Churchill Ave, which becomes Regent St. down Fitzroy Pl to
Molle St. Cross the big roads that head to the freeway. Then from Collins St
the rivulet starts and heads up the hill.

So the Collins St, Molle St intersection at 06:15am (meet Stewart and anyone
else who came from somewhere other than the colleges)

Then run up the rivulet until we get to the Cascade brewery

On the way back down when we get to the C3 Convention center we will head
along Darcy St, cross Huon Rd and the southern outlet (A6)  to get back
toward the utas Accomodation.

Anyway should be a nicer and different run to any previous one.

Mikal, Richard, MRDA, Stewart, Willy, AfC and anyone else should have some fun
joining in.

Thursday morning Willy and I will head for the mountain loop again, then
Friday morning we will have a flat run with some of the beach along Sandy
Bay on the other side of Wrest Point included.

	See You
	    Steve

-- 
Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
then she is wet behind the ears and wafting down the avenue
pre-rush hour, post-rain shower
stillness seeping upwards like steam
   Tamburitza Lingua - Revelling - Ani

From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Tue Jan 17 11:44:37 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:44:37 +1100
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
In-Reply-To: <CABLbxQ2SdF=7PVf41htFJ9noOpeobd=mO+7TmEhExqE8ZNF7PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>
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Message-ID: <0b3141b3-4e10-5900-91ae-ef19d675502e@kgoetz.id.au>

On 17/1/17 10:58, Steven Ellis wrote:
> Looks like my email didn't make it to the list.
> 
> How does Friday lunch time suit everyone?
> 
> On 17/01/2017 10:22 AM, "Karl Goetz via Chat"
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> <mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
>     Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
>     either... is there an organiser?

I should be able to do Friday lunch.
kk

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From chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com  Tue Jan 17 11:51:05 2017
From: chrisjrn at chrisjrn.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:51:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Tuesday (and ongoing) Lunch
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZVenPG64zCMjBk9zDEcp4aq2pTn3fEDhgsJO1u_6D3isA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.74566B3C-F1CA-412F-A4EC-0916CB28CAA2@mail.outlook.com>
 <CAOUMSZVenPG64zCMjBk9zDEcp4aq2pTn3fEDhgsJO1u_6D3isA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRwem=GQVDVOhJwjuqBs=U7LRcnS8_+949Q=qzxqwR1FeiBpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica,

That shaded area on the boardwalk is a restaurant. You may not eat
conference food there.

--Chris

On 17 January 2017 at 10:24, Jessica Smith via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Could we perhaps move it to a shady spot please? I saw a covered area with
> seats on the boardwalk just where you exit the building that might be
> suitable?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jessica
>
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 at 09:06, Dan Hawke via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Same time, same place (for those that didn't come yesterday, details below
>> :))
>>
>> This will be a daily event for the rest of the week
>>
>> - Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________
>> From: Dan Hawke via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:37
>> Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Monday Lunch
>> To: <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
>>
>>
>> Hi all, for those that wish to enjoy the catered lunch in a group, please
>> come along to the Queer BoF Monday "soft launch" at lunchtime - by the
>> fountain at the entrance to the grassy area. Grab some lunch and come along
>> approx 12:30pm. https://goo.gl/maps/om6jxh3ZtLq
>> If coming from upstairs, turn left after onyx bar, follow signs for
>> boardwalk.
>>
>> Lat, Long: -42.9019,147.3377
>>
>> If you haven't read this yet, please do:
>>
>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/queer_bof/
>>
>> - Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Chat mailing list
>>
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 
--Christopher Neugebauer

Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --
WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn

From willy6545 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 11:56:19 2017
From: willy6545 at gmail.com (Matthew Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Chat] Docs Down Under MiniConf
In-Reply-To: <CA+c7i0EBGOb631kkw2N0bTEQtPnf-2YavcGiBHQkbhO6VKYU7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+c7i0EBGOb631kkw2N0bTEQtPnf-2YavcGiBHQkbhO6VKYU7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFhKne8eCEECJEWJXEn6xGDsxtXMCvJRZbxS-dE_5mU6FQCaaw@mail.gmail.com>

I was the questioner, and thank you for this tool!

On Jan 17, 2017 11:38, "JWPFox via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
wrote:

> A question was asked about ways to get people to understand that
> documenting in MSWord is not always the most advanced approach available.
>
> A very small online tool that can help with this is:
> https://word-to-markdown.herokuapp.com
>
> That can allow you to write in MSWord and achieve a lightweight conversion
> to MarkDown. This can mean you write for the boss in MSWord and create a
> personal duplicate in MarkDown.
>
> I've had success with showing people my personal copy in parallel which
> can 'sell' the advantages in a concrete way (Show don't Tell and all that).
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From sginnane at yahoo.com.au  Tue Jan 17 12:05:07 2017
From: sginnane at yahoo.com.au (sginnane at yahoo.com.au)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:05:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Chat] Shuttle on Saturaday from UTas
References: <1891591497.4242528.1484615107054.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1891591497.4242528.1484615107054@mail.yahoo.com>

I know we have touched on this previously, but I see no mention on the transport wiki page.Will the shuttle be running Sat to get us down to the convention centre so we can more easily access transport to the airport ?.I though I had seen/heard something positive, but as I said, nothing on the wiki.
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From josh at nitrotech.org  Tue Jan 17 12:41:56 2017
From: josh at nitrotech.org (Joshua Hesketh)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:41:56 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Shuttle on Saturaday from UTas
In-Reply-To: <1891591497.4242528.1484615107054@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1891591497.4242528.1484615107054.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1891591497.4242528.1484615107054@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <467a8941-c734-8864-360b-02c6d115f3f0@nitrotech.org>

Hi Shane,

Unfortunately no conference buses will be running on Saturday. The
airporter[0] can pick up from Nelson road which is at the bottom of the
college road. Otherwise I'd suggest you use the wiki to pool a taxi
which is roughly cheaper than the airporter if you can get 3 or more people.

Cheers,
Josh

[0] http://www.tasredline.com.au/index.php/airport-shuttles/


On 17/01/17 12:05, sginnane--- via Chat wrote:
> I know we have touched on this previously, but I see no mention on the
> transport wiki page.
> Will the shuttle be running Sat to get us down to the convention
> centre so we can more easily access transport to the airport ?.
> I though I had seen/heard something positive, but as I said, nothing
> on the wiki.
>
> Shane ...
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

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From madduck at madduck.net  Tue Jan 17 13:25:12 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:25:12 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Libre unified communications BoF Fri 11:35 WLG-2
Message-ID: <20170117022512.4svjkxl64ystnntu@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

Hello,

If you're interested in real-time communications using Free tools
and Open standards (including matrix.org that we're testing at this
LCA), come join us

  Friday at 11:35 (before lunch)
  in the room Wellington 2

Please add your name to the wiki here:

  https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/libre-unified-communications/

(and feel free to modify the wiki as you see fit).

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
"a bank is an institution will to lend you money,
 provided you can prove that you don't need it."
                                                       -- mark twain
 
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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Tue Jan 17 13:31:55 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:31:55 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <c3a5d5a7bec70978503b720cb5a9ea28ec01326b@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
References: <c3a5d5a7bec70978503b720cb5a9ea28ec01326b@webmail.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <257f41d7-5000-9cd8-5717-26dfa625cf91@kgoetz.id.au>

On 17/1/17 08:49, duncan_roe--- via Chat wrote:
> Both Node.js and node-red want to install the same utilities (npm and node).
> Do we really need both?
> 
> Cheers ... Duncan.
> 

How are you installing node-red? the instructions on its website require
nodejs/npm to install it.
kk



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From jeremy.visser at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 13:44:42 2017
From: jeremy.visser at gmail.com (Jeremy Visser)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:44:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABsiCiByN7roEmsZ2TsDh1M2hMndPbWG+fVoRT=owChuHgvKdQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to attend the keysigning, but don't have access to a printer.
Are there any facilities for this I could make use of?

From dns at dns.id.au  Tue Jan 17 14:05:16 2017
From: dns at dns.id.au (Daniel Sobey)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:05:16 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CABsiCiByN7roEmsZ2TsDh1M2hMndPbWG+fVoRT=owChuHgvKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABsiCiByN7roEmsZ2TsDh1M2hMndPbWG+fVoRT=owChuHgvKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jeremy,

I am planning on asking the organisers really nicely if they can print off
20 or more copies of the fingerprints so you should not need your own list.
if not i'm happy to look around and see what i can.

what you do need to know is your own fingerprint (don't trust the copy that
I will give you) so save that on  your phone so you can read it out on the
day.
You should also bring some photo id and a pen to mark that the keys match
and you trust the key.

I've reserved the first session on Friday in the the wellington room 2 (the
bof room)

On 17 Jan. 2017 13:15, "Jeremy Visser via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'd like to attend the keysigning, but don't have access to a printer.
> Are there any facilities for this I could make use of?
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From brong at fastmail.fm  Tue Jan 17 14:06:18 2017
From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:06:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
In-Reply-To: <0b3141b3-4e10-5900-91ae-ef19d675502e@kgoetz.id.au>
References: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>
 <CABLbxQ1GnswUVbQ=73AGpSsevL5cCuapHjqT0g5=8oNktTq91Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ3oyi4eSEFdcOyd+UOb6s3H=Gyxje2x6UcyFpzabaR83Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ2SdF=7PVf41htFJ9noOpeobd=mO+7TmEhExqE8ZNF7PA@mail.gmail.com>
 <0b3141b3-4e10-5900-91ae-ef19d675502e@kgoetz.id.au>
Message-ID: <1484622378.2983512.849912760.7FAD09E1@webmail.messagingengine.com>


On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, at 11:44, Karl Goetz via Chat wrote:
> On 17/1/17 10:58, Steven Ellis wrote:
> > Looks like my email didn't make it to the list.
> > 
> > How does Friday lunch time suit everyone?
> > 
> > On 17/01/2017 10:22 AM, "Karl Goetz via Chat"
> > <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > <mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
> > 
> >     Hi,
> >     Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
> >     either... is there an organiser?
> 
> I should be able to do Friday lunch.
> kk

Friday is good for me.

Bron.


-- 
  Bron Gondwana
  brong at fastmail.fm

From peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au  Tue Jan 17 14:39:00 2017
From: peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au (Peter Hardy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:39:00 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Hackerspaces BoF
In-Reply-To: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03377a67a144a50e1d3fee39e6ee23a7@hardy.dropbear.id.au>

It's probably worth pointing out that the local Hobart Hackerspace has
an open night this Thursday evening.
https://www.hobarthackerspace.org.au/node/46 

On 2017-01-17 10:55, Brett James via Chat wrote:

> Last year was a good chance for all the regional and local Hack and Makerspaces to get together, say hi and talk about what projects they are happy with and what's going well/not so well for them. 
> 
> If there is interest, would we like to catch up again? I'm penciling in a tentative Thursday Lunchtime, but I'm open for any other time that suits.
> 
> I've made a Wiki Entry here: https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/hackerspaces/ 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au  Tue Jan 17 14:43:15 2017
From: peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au (Peter Hardy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:43:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] IoTuz BoF this evening?
Message-ID: <b8023c7dbb664754661c25006fbff23a@hardy.dropbear.id.au>

Any interest in a bof just hacking on the IoTuz boards from the open
hardware miniconf? I figure it would be worthwhile to hang out in a room
for a while this evening while I come to grips with getting RTOS up and
running on it. 

-- 
Pete
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From madduck at madduck.net  Tue Jan 17 14:47:25 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:47:25 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABsiCiByN7roEmsZ2TsDh1M2hMndPbWG+fVoRT=owChuHgvKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170117034725.ujzcwsu2obkshcz5@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Daniel Sobey via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> [2017-01-17 14:05 +1100]:
> I am planning on asking the organisers really nicely if they can print off
> 20 or more copies of the fingerprints so you should not need your own list.

? if you trust those lists.? Note that the level of trust you apply
to this process oozes right into and all over the web of trust by
way of the signatures you are about to publish.

?) not trying to spell distrust of anyone here, but by not verifying
and printing your own document, you increase the number of ways
I could engineer getting a signature on a fake key from you by
a multitude of ways.

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Tue Jan 17 14:48:04 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:48:04 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Hackerspaces BoF
In-Reply-To: <03377a67a144a50e1d3fee39e6ee23a7@hardy.dropbear.id.au>
References: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <03377a67a144a50e1d3fee39e6ee23a7@hardy.dropbear.id.au>
Message-ID: <08D73E00-F9AF-4B2E-893F-315172F0E3E7@d-silva.org>

It's about a 20 minute drive, I'm keen to split a ride there...

On 17 January 2017 2:39:00 PM AEDT, Peter Hardy via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>It's probably worth pointing out that the local Hobart Hackerspace has
>an open night this Thursday evening.
>https://www.hobarthackerspace.org.au/node/46 
>
>On 2017-01-17 10:55, Brett James via Chat wrote:
>
>> Last year was a good chance for all the regional and local Hack and
>Makerspaces to get together, say hi and talk about what projects they
>are happy with and what's going well/not so well for them. 
>> 
>> If there is interest, would we like to catch up again? I'm penciling
>in a tentative Thursday Lunchtime, but I'm open for any other time that
>suits.
>> 
>> I've made a Wiki Entry here:
>https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/hackerspaces/ 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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From ubermonk at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 15:02:06 2017
From: ubermonk at gmail.com (Andrew Kirkpatrick)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:32:06 +1030
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
In-Reply-To: <CABLbxQ2SdF=7PVf41htFJ9noOpeobd=mO+7TmEhExqE8ZNF7PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>
 <CABLbxQ1GnswUVbQ=73AGpSsevL5cCuapHjqT0g5=8oNktTq91Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ3oyi4eSEFdcOyd+UOb6s3H=Gyxje2x6UcyFpzabaR83Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ2SdF=7PVf41htFJ9noOpeobd=mO+7TmEhExqE8ZNF7PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHo11d6L6pj=qdEZ=sjkwCHfx4xK0n8h-spWbPTLavHNMwQ+6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Works for me.

On 17 January 2017 at 10:28, Steven Ellis via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Looks like my email didn't make it to the list.
>
> How does Friday lunch time suit everyone?
>
> On 17/01/2017 10:22 AM, "Karl Goetz via Chat"
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
> either... is there an organiser?
>
> thanks,
> kk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>

From dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au  Tue Jan 17 15:41:58 2017
From: dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:41:58 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABsiCiByN7roEmsZ2TsDh1M2hMndPbWG+fVoRT=owChuHgvKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587DA096.2030103@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>

On 17/01/17 14:05, Daniel Sobey via Chat wrote:

> I am planning on asking the organisers really nicely if they can print off 20 or
> more copies of the fingerprints so you should not need your own list.

As a data point, Wrest Point has "business facilities" that have printers for
guest use (as in, guests of Wrest).  If you know any guests, they may be able
to avail themselves of that service.

Cheers.

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester
  Handcrafted Computers Pty. Ltd.

From splatski at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 15:52:04 2017
From: splatski at gmail.com (Michael Emery)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:52:04 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Hackerspaces BoF
In-Reply-To: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJPmrky2UJ_kN6DKEx6=vUGq=y6L6275FaLf4syGDkzXNGyjhA@mail.gmail.com>

hey Brett,

would it be possible for this to be after sessions finish on Thursday?
there are a few local Hackerspace members that have a prior commitment
doing a thing at the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery on Thursday that is
going to cover lunch time.

Michael


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brett James via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Last year was a good chance for all the regional and local Hack and
> Makerspaces to get together, say hi and talk about what projects they are
> happy with and what's going well/not so well for them.
>
> If there is interest, would we like to catch up again? I'm penciling in a
> tentative Thursday Lunchtime, but I'm open for any other time that suits.
>
> I've made a Wiki Entry here: https://linux.conf.au/wiki/con
> ference/hackerspaces/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
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From jack at jackscott.id.au  Tue Jan 17 16:10:00 2017
From: jack at jackscott.id.au (Jack Scott)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:10:00 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGrB5ofwnysrLj_1qAWFAwiDJYpg4Tu9PZmVn=WJ7MthUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABsiCiByN7roEmsZ2TsDh1M2hMndPbWG+fVoRT=owChuHgvKdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAphvGpQWRpSfszi=+pLQJMzgtv2TZao-Toi9rcxas8Jz6QvcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPf9fS0+gUcikWbzcAmiqCC3=Oj+DwXn9UAxGuAX=7+4S8tDfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daniel,

We can print out the key fingerprints for you. I'll email you off list to
sort out the details.

Cheers, Jack.

On 17 January 2017 at 14:05, Daniel Sobey via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hello Jeremy,
>
> I am planning on asking the organisers really nicely if they can print off
> 20 or more copies of the fingerprints so you should not need your own list.
> if not i'm happy to look around and see what i can.
>
> what you do need to know is your own fingerprint (don't trust the copy
> that I will give you) so save that on  your phone so you can read it out on
> the day.
> You should also bring some photo id and a pen to mark that the keys match
> and you trust the key.
>
> I've reserved the first session on Friday in the the wellington room 2
> (the bof room)
>
> On 17 Jan. 2017 13:15, "Jeremy Visser via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to attend the keysigning, but don't have access to a printer.
>> Are there any facilities for this I could make use of?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From splatski at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 16:25:51 2017
From: splatski at gmail.com (Michael Emery)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:25:51 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Hackerspaces BoF
In-Reply-To: <08D73E00-F9AF-4B2E-893F-315172F0E3E7@d-silva.org>
References: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <03377a67a144a50e1d3fee39e6ee23a7@hardy.dropbear.id.au>
 <08D73E00-F9AF-4B2E-893F-315172F0E3E7@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <CAJPmrkx84Cwu_iCj7w7iS2etfs5NTjVaTS7zw2JiFq0fsv0cbw@mail.gmail.com>

if someone wants to do the smart thing and setup a wiki page to collect
numbers for who wants to go out to the hackerspace on Thursday evening. I
will see how many seats I can organise for transport out to the
hackerspace.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Alastair D'Silva via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> It's about a 20 minute drive, I'm keen to split a ride there...
>
>
> On 17 January 2017 2:39:00 PM AEDT, Peter Hardy via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> It's probably worth pointing out that the local Hobart Hackerspace has an
>> open night this Thursday evening. https://www.
>> hobarthackerspace.org.au/node/46
>>
>> On 2017-01-17 10:55, Brett James via Chat wrote:
>>
>> Last year was a good chance for all the regional and local Hack and
>> Makerspaces to get together, say hi and talk about what projects they are
>> happy with and what's going well/not so well for them.
>>
>> If there is interest, would we like to catch up again? I'm penciling in a
>> tentative Thursday Lunchtime, but I'm open for any other time that suits.
>>
>> I've made a Wiki Entry here: https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
>> conference/hackerspaces/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From mithro at mithis.com  Tue Jan 17 17:28:16 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:28:16 +1100
Subject: [Chat] I'm Tomu - A tiny ARM microprocessor which fits *inside*
 your USB port (for U2F or other tasks)
Message-ID: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

As mention in Rob's U2F talk and demonstrated at the Open Hardware
Miniconf, I'd like to introduce yet another of the too many projects
<https://j.mp/timtoomany> I'm involved.

Tomu <https://tomu.im/> is a tiny ARM microprocessor which fits **inside**
your USB port. I have ~100 of the devices here and want to give you one!

At the moment, the big missing part of the project is the software. Hence,
I'm very interested in getting the device into people's hands so we can get
some. If you contribute to the project in some way *I will give you one for
free. *Non-coding contributions are also encouraged, I'd love a logo and
fixing my horrible documentation :-P

The Tomu design is fully open source (AU000001
<http://certificate.oshwa.org/certification-directory/>), has a BOM of
~$USD10 (in individual quantities) and is constructible by (semi-skilled)
hobbyists! It was designed to potentially be used for 2-factor
authentication but could be used for anything else you can think of (USB
indicator, USB OTP, other?).

The ARM processor has the following specs;
 * 25MHz ARM Cortex-M0+
 * 8kb RAM / 64kb Flash
 * USB 2.0

(There is also a "plus" version which has 48MHz, 32kb RAM, 256kb flash, but
I haven't made a large amounts yet..)

You can get to the slides of my lightning talk at https://j.mp/tomu-lca2017
and the website for the project is tomu.im, all the code and design is at
https://github.com/im-tomu

There is also one small snag, I need to load a modified bootloader and
example firmware onto the 100 boards via ARM 2-wire and could use some help
with doing that.

Love to hear everyone's thoughts and see what people do with the Tomu board!

Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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From elvis at dogonfire.com  Tue Jan 17 17:38:22 2017
From: elvis at dogonfire.com (elvis)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:38:22 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Penguin Dinner Dress Code?
Message-ID: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>

I was wondering if there was some kind of expected dress for the penguin 
dinner? I can't find anything on the wiki..?


Lawrence


From ubermonk at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 18:12:18 2017
From: ubermonk at gmail.com (Andrew Kirkpatrick)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:42:18 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Penguin Dinner Dress Code?
In-Reply-To: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
References: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
Message-ID: <CAHo11d5xzRBwZ4ZO7OUHfTW1uZhz5NcRiyFORW9NJVph=5cX-w@mail.gmail.com>

I believe toga and olive oil to be the respectable choice.

On 17 Jan. 2017 18:08, "elvis via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
wrote:

> I was wondering if there was some kind of expected dress for the penguin
> dinner? I can't find anything on the wiki..?
>
>
> Lawrence
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From tyler at monkeypox.org  Tue Jan 17 18:18:06 2017
From: tyler at monkeypox.org (R. Tyler Croy)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:18:06 -0800
Subject: [Chat] I'm Tomu - A tiny ARM microprocessor which fits *inside*
 your USB port (for U2F or other tasks)
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170117071806.GI9253@blackberry.coupleofllamas.com>

(replies inline)

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Tim Ansell via Chat wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> 
> As mention in Rob's U2F talk and demonstrated at the Open Hardware
> Miniconf, I'd like to introduce yet another of the too many projects
> <https://j.mp/timtoomany> I'm involved.
> 
> Tomu <https://tomu.im/> is a tiny ARM microprocessor which fits **inside**
> your USB port. I have ~100 of the devices here and want to give you one!


Without one how do you build anything for it? :)


Either way, I'd be happy to trade you $10 for one, I know I have $10, I'm not
sure I can cram an idea into 8K of RAM though :/


> 
> At the moment, the big missing part of the project is the software. Hence,
> I'm very interested in getting the device into people's hands so we can get
> some. If you contribute to the project in some way *I will give you one for
> free. *Non-coding contributions are also encouraged, I'd love a logo and
> fixing my horrible documentation :-P
> 
> The Tomu design is fully open source (AU000001
> <http://certificate.oshwa.org/certification-directory/>), has a BOM of
> ~$USD10 (in individual quantities) and is constructible by (semi-skilled)
> hobbyists! It was designed to potentially be used for 2-factor
> authentication but could be used for anything else you can think of (USB
> indicator, USB OTP, other?).
> 
> The ARM processor has the following specs;
>  * 25MHz ARM Cortex-M0+
>  * 8kb RAM / 64kb Flash
>  * USB 2.0
> 
> (There is also a "plus" version which has 48MHz, 32kb RAM, 256kb flash, but
> I haven't made a large amounts yet..)
> 
> You can get to the slides of my lightning talk at https://j.mp/tomu-lca2017
> and the website for the project is tomu.im, all the code and design is at
> https://github.com/im-tomu
> 
> There is also one small snag, I need to load a modified bootloader and
> example firmware onto the 100 boards via ARM 2-wire and could use some help
> with doing that.
> 
> Love to hear everyone's thoughts and see what people do with the Tomu board!
> 
> Tim 'mithro' Ansell

> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


- R. Tyler Croy

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From josh at zindello.com.au  Tue Jan 17 18:42:22 2017
From: josh at zindello.com.au (Joshua Mesilane)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:42:22 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Penguin Dinner Dress Code?
In-Reply-To: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
References: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
Message-ID: <CAFSnpMKRO7ZC54c4mzUEAykozbpwHAthUg1tJX-+_xJ0m+j0nw@mail.gmail.com>

I think it's usually "Smart Casual"

I certainly wouldn't class it as formal. Some people get dressed up (I'm
looking in @pjf's direction here) but it's not been mandatory in previous
years.


---
0416039082
josh at zindello.com.au
http://www.zindello.com.au/

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 5:38 PM, elvis via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I was wondering if there was some kind of expected dress for the penguin
> dinner? I can't find anything on the wiki..?
>
>
> Lawrence
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 17 18:49:21 2017
From: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au (duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:49:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <257f41d7-5000-9cd8-5717-26dfa625cf91@kgoetz.id.au>
Message-ID: <77df763ba4e27c6cf8df2fa9c92c88651cac5f90@webmail.optusnet.com.au>

I fetched node-v4.7.2.tar.xz from the site. npm would not work in the
unpacked directory. There was a Makefile, so I ran it.? It built
_node_, installing to /usr/bin (where Node.js is, also called _node_).
Pre-built node-v4.7.2-linux-x86.tar.xz looks the same.
Now I have tried a git clone and followed the instructions for that.
npm did work, build was only a few minutes (c/w 2 hrs for make).
Now running NODE RED.JS outputs _Welcome to Node-RED, _so I think that
is the way to go.

Cheers ... Duncan.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Goetz" <karl at kgoetz.id.au>
To:<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:31:55 +1100
Subject:Re: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)

 On 17/1/17 08:49, duncan_roe--- via Chat wrote:
 > Both Node.js and node-red want to install the same utilities (npm
and node).
 > Do we really need both?
 > 
 > Cheers ... Duncan.
 > 

 How are you installing node-red? the instructions on its website
require
 nodejs/npm to install it.
 kk

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From george.patterson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 18:55:35 2017
From: george.patterson at gmail.com (George Patterson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:55:35 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Penguin Dinner Dress Code?
In-Reply-To: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
References: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
Message-ID: <CALMTgW-d9V63jWTYL+fQC-rYRG52Miet4jw72kQHOHx2TxaqxQ@mail.gmail.com>

A Tux or Peguin suit will be fine.

On 17 Jan 2017 18:08, "elvis via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
wrote:

> I was wondering if there was some kind of expected dress for the penguin
> dinner? I can't find anything on the wiki..?
>
>
> Lawrence
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From bburgess at gladier.net  Tue Jan 17 19:53:18 2017
From: bburgess at gladier.net (Blake Burgess)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:53:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
In-Reply-To: <CALLOJ7gEDKJco18jttLbDAnByX0TXF1AP6TW1Excog0eoRR+Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLOJ7gEDKJco18jttLbDAnByX0TXF1AP6TW1Excog0eoRR+Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALLOJ7h0701=3ut7YXiR2xLZHwjuAejHKQX7xFXAUb_Q2dMuLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey

Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference (they're
only open sat and sun)

Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short walk from
the cbd.
http://www.evoloroomescape.com

We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most of
Saturday available.
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From peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au  Tue Jan 17 20:31:41 2017
From: peter at hardy.dropbear.id.au (Peter Hardy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:31:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Penguin Dinner Dress Code?
In-Reply-To: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
References: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
Message-ID: <9D34CC1A-E073-4FF5-B5F3-877D3F2F5972@hardy.dropbear.id.au>

Contrary to popular advice, pants are not optional. Apart from that you're probably fine. 

On 17 January 2017 5:38:22 pm AEDT, elvis via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>I was wondering if there was some kind of expected dress for the
>penguin 
>dinner? I can't find anything on the wiki..?
>
>
>Lawrence
>
>_______________________________________________
>Chat mailing list
>Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

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From Peter.Chubb at data61.csiro.au  Tue Jan 17 22:04:55 2017
From: Peter.Chubb at data61.csiro.au (Peter.Chubb at data61.csiro.au)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:04:55 +0000
Subject: [Chat] I'm Tomu - A tiny ARM microprocessor which fits *inside*
 your USB port (for U2F or other tasks)
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4CE3DC4-1AF1-4EDB-A2B9-8FE0A19B2D76@data61.csiro.au>

If you're interested in this kind of thing the Padi is worth a look. https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=917

$2 plus postage for arm M3 plus wifi

On 17 January 2017 5:28:16 PM AEDT, Tim Ansell via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
Hello everyone!

As mention in Rob's U2F talk and demonstrated at the Open Hardware Miniconf, I'd like to introduce yet another of the too many projects<https://j.mp/timtoomany> I'm involved.

Tomu<https://tomu.im/> is a tiny ARM microprocessor which fits *inside* your USB port. I have ~100 of the devices here and want to give you one!

At the moment, the big missing part of the project is the software. Hence, I'm very interested in getting the device into people's hands so we can get some. If you contribute to the project in some way I will give you one for free. Non-coding contributions are also encouraged, I'd love a logo and fixing my horrible documentation :-P

The Tomu design is fully open source (AU000001<http://certificate.oshwa.org/certification-directory/>), has a BOM of ~$USD10 (in individual quantities) and is constructible by (semi-skilled) hobbyists! It was designed to potentially be used for 2-factor authentication but could be used for anything else you can think of (USB indicator, USB OTP, other?).

The ARM processor has the following specs;
 * 25MHz ARM Cortex-M0+
 * 8kb RAM / 64kb Flash
 * USB 2.0

(There is also a "plus" version which has 48MHz, 32kb RAM, 256kb flash, but I haven't made a large amounts yet..)

You can get to the slides of my lightning talk at https://j.mp/tomu-lca2017 and the website for the project is tomu.im<http://tomu.im>, all the code and design is at https://github.com/im-tomu

There is also one small snag, I need to load a modified bootloader and example firmware onto the 100 boards via ARM 2-wire and could use some help with doing that.

Love to hear everyone's thoughts and see what people do with the Tomu board!

Tim 'mithro' Ansell


--
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From jillr at speleonics.com.au  Tue Jan 17 22:11:40 2017
From: jillr at speleonics.com.au (Jill Rowling)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:11:40 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
Message-ID: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>

The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.

Jill

Jill Rowling

From eternalcat at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 22:21:55 2017
From: eternalcat at gmail.com (David Lord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:21:55 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
In-Reply-To: <CALLOJ7h0701=3ut7YXiR2xLZHwjuAejHKQX7xFXAUb_Q2dMuLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLOJ7gEDKJco18jttLbDAnByX0TXF1AP6TW1Excog0eoRR+Sw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALLOJ7h0701=3ut7YXiR2xLZHwjuAejHKQX7xFXAUb_Q2dMuLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL3YdfwVKcrVXExYEREOKWLDU-zn1_RwoqEZFcBGOrttxL8evg@mail.gmail.com>

Call me tentatively interested. It looks like there are two rooms, from 9am
to 10:30pm Sat and 9-7 Sun. Would happily use it as a bookend to a hike or
MONA visit.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 at 9:53 pm, Blake Burgess via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hey
>
> Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference (they're
> only open sat and sun)
>
> Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short walk from
> the cbd.
> http://www.evoloroomescape.com
>
> We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most of
> Saturday available.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Chat mailing list
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Tue Jan 17 23:01:24 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:01:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
In-Reply-To: <CALLOJ7h0701=3ut7YXiR2xLZHwjuAejHKQX7xFXAUb_Q2dMuLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLOJ7gEDKJco18jttLbDAnByX0TXF1AP6TW1Excog0eoRR+Sw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALLOJ7h0701=3ut7YXiR2xLZHwjuAejHKQX7xFXAUb_Q2dMuLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALn+=JpBABANseKvuj0AtfhuvA0929zxYTOYBm1nOCqc2zKNcg@mail.gmail.com>

On 17 January 2017 at 19:53, Blake Burgess via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Hey
>
> Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference (they're
> only open sat and sun)

I'm interested - Alastair D'Silva was thinking of planning a visit too, IIRC?


Andrew


>
> Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short walk from
> the cbd.
> http://www.evoloroomescape.com
>
> We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most of
> Saturday available.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Tue Jan 17 23:44:53 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:44:53 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Chat update - added channels for each room
Message-ID: <87f7b322c5044237f831501aa9cd69b3@scriptforge.org>

Hi everyone,

The #linux.conf.au channel has been buzzing with activity during the
week, and with the (actual) conference to start tomorrow, we''ve
expanded our little Matrix experiment and added Freenode, Matrix
and Slack channels for each room:

These are:

   #lca2017_plenary
   #lca2017_tasman_a
   #lca2017_tasman_bc
   #lca2017_wellington_1
   #lca2017_wellington_2
   #lca2017_boardwalk

all on the Freenode network and Slack. On Matrix, add ":matrix.org"
to the end of those channel names.

Now you can use these for discussions related to specific talks,
and the IRC widget on the streaming page also links to these rooms.

We have updated the  summary of these unofficial chat platform options 
on the
conference wiki here:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/chat/

See you tomorrow,

Scott Bragg and the other Matrix enthusiasts


From linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx  Wed Jan 18 00:03:31 2017
From: linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx (Stephen Edmonds)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 00:03:31 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
In-Reply-To: <CALn+=JpBABANseKvuj0AtfhuvA0929zxYTOYBm1nOCqc2zKNcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLOJ7gEDKJco18jttLbDAnByX0TXF1AP6TW1Excog0eoRR+Sw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALLOJ7h0701=3ut7YXiR2xLZHwjuAejHKQX7xFXAUb_Q2dMuLA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALn+=JpBABANseKvuj0AtfhuvA0929zxYTOYBm1nOCqc2zKNcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAECH6uNmZUAsE8mY1RYeVW+aWVaGubkRzr9-G+jbAhtTWSvNbw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm also interested, though I am only available on the Saturday morning.

Thanks,
Stephen

On 17 January 2017 at 23:01, Andrew Donnellan via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> On 17 January 2017 at 19:53, Blake Burgess via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > Hey
> >
> > Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference (they're
> > only open sat and sun)
>
> I'm interested - Alastair D'Silva was thinking of planning a visit too,
> IIRC?
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> >
> > Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short walk from
> > the cbd.
> > http://www.evoloroomescape.com
> >
> > We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most of
> > Saturday available.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Donnellan
> http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From allman at google.com  Wed Jan 18 07:28:16 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:28:16 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
Message-ID: <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at
least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>
> Jill
>
> Jill Rowling
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 

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allman at google.com
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Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

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From jacinta.richardson.ph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 07:55:50 2017
From: jacinta.richardson.ph at gmail.com (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:55:50 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Penguin Dinner Dress Code?
In-Reply-To: <9D34CC1A-E073-4FF5-B5F3-877D3F2F5972@hardy.dropbear.id.au>
References: <5ac40c34-f603-a7ae-a6fd-ce8597c052de@dogonfire.com>
 <9D34CC1A-E073-4FF5-B5F3-877D3F2F5972@hardy.dropbear.id.au>
Message-ID: <CAK+M7nK=fZp7FKGfYaf3PvnkyQ6OtjV3RqqycAovDOzfRR=kQg@mail.gmail.com>

Pants can be substituted with dress or skirt or robe or onesie however.

J

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:23 Peter Hardy via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Contrary to popular advice, pants are not optional. Apart from that you're
> probably fine.
>
> On 17 January 2017 5:38:22 pm AEDT, elvis via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if there was some kind of expected dress for the penguin
> dinner? I can't find anything on the wiki..?
>
>
> Lawrence
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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From jason at dickson.st  Wed Jan 18 08:03:46 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:03:46 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Perl BoF: Wednesday Lunchtime
In-Reply-To: <395db952-8675-86d5-5d0b-8ca602bcdcb0@dickson.st>
References: <395db952-8675-86d5-5d0b-8ca602bcdcb0@dickson.st>
Message-ID: <cbba7ef9-e1e6-386b-44ca-f77b93542dc8@dickson.st>

Just a reminder that the Perl BoF is on today at 12:20 (or just after so
we have time to grab some lunch)

Lets meet in Wellington Room 1.

See you there,

Jason

On 16/1/17 8:16 am, Jason Lewis via Chat wrote:
> Hi People,
> 
> I'm organising a BoF for discussion of all things perl.
> 
> Some topics we can cover:
> What's new in Perl 5.24.1
> Perl5 has a new Pumpking
> Perl6
> Any awesome new modules you have written or have used
> Is it time for an Australian/NZ perl workshop?
> Australia and New Zealand pm mailing list. Let's make one?
> Any other topics?
> 
> Time: Wednesday Lunchtime
> Venue: TBA
> 
> See you there.
> 
> Jason
> 


-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From allman at google.com  Wed Jan 18 08:10:58 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:10:58 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <6BD459A4-D76A-4738-9A8E-1BD37314BC30@vmbrasseur.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <6BD459A4-D76A-4738-9A8E-1BD37314BC30@vmbrasseur.com>
Message-ID: <CACDwxg317-WKQh2+L2jEBYNeuV5F6CSHWH4d34OpJBEuJ2reHg@mail.gmail.com>

Darn it!  Need anything we could pick up for you? I'm mostly anxious to get
some possum/merino....

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:07 PM, VM Brasseur <vmb at vmbrasseur.com> wrote:

> Poo. I have a (now former) team lunch on Thursday. :-( Please think of me
> when you're squishing all the good yarns.
>
> > On Jan 18, 2017, at 07:28, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to
> at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> > Jill Rowling
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cat Allman
> >
> > allman at google.com
> > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > Mountain View, CA USA
> > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> >
> > ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>


-- 

Cat Allman

allman at google.com
Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
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From roan.kattouw at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:10:52 2017
From: roan.kattouw at gmail.com (Roan Kattouw)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:10:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Message-ID: <CALoQHwG_tORLjYhW8AjNn6uj_+3Zc6PGiqJpfG-CqJzyspvbcA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be up for that. I'm not a wool fan myself but I always bring back wool
for a friend back home, so I need to work in a wool store trip somewhere.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Cat Allman via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at
> least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> Jill Rowling
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Wed Jan 18 08:36:30 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:36:30 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Badges, lovely badges, send me your badges
Message-ID: <d042e5ed-e437-41ed-b412-e675f53acad7@darkmere.gen.nz>

I'm collecting examples of what people use the free text fields in the 
badges. Interesting to see what different people see as important to list 
or creative ideas.


I'm keen to add others. Please catch me and I'll grab a photo or send a 
photo through with a liberal cc license (cc0 is good)


The collection so far:


https://flic.kr/s/aHskQc15nc


Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
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From allman at google.com  Wed Jan 18 08:47:19 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:47:19 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <815BFAA9-581A-4E84-B243-6D2F9E242561@vmbrasseur.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACDwxg0EiyM6k6x-wdZoAyNkRtb6udVPVU=qSbbQBE6-7JG0+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Heh. I get around some of the guilt and lack of storage space by buying
much of my yarn either at 2 craft-focussed charity shops or my local fiber
arts guild - and donating those occasional "what the heck was I thinking,
who cares if it was cheap &/or great quality" back to one of the same.  :-)

I will not feed your problem, promise!

Cat

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, VM Brasseur <vmb at vmbrasseur.com> wrote:

> Enabler! :-P
>
> I'm in a self-imposed yarn-purchasing ban. I must work through at least
> some of the existing stash before I'm allowed to acquire more.
>
> Which means, of course, I'll just have to return to Hobart later to buy
> some possum/merino. ;-)
>
> > On Jan 18, 2017, at 08:10, Cat Allman <allman at google.com> wrote:
> >
> > Darn it!  Need anything we could pick up for you? I'm mostly anxious to
> get some possum/merino....
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:07 PM, VM Brasseur <vmb at vmbrasseur.com> wrote:
> > Poo. I have a (now former) team lunch on Thursday. :-( Please think of
> me when you're squishing all the good yarns.
> >
> > > On Jan 18, 2017, at 07:28, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab
> to at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > > The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> > >
> > > Jill
> > >
> > > Jill Rowling
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Cat Allman
> > >
> > > allman at google.com
> > > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > > Mountain View, CA USA
> > > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> > >
> > > ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> > > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cat Allman
> >
> > allman at google.com
> > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > Mountain View, CA USA
> > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> >
> > ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
>


-- 

Cat Allman

allman at google.com
Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
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From horngirl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:49:26 2017
From: horngirl at gmail.com (Ms Kat)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:49:26 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Message-ID: <CAMno5TSMS466-Zs60N1_9Nrw6zPnO_Q3vYjKGP8vVDgtUCOOHw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with up
to 4 others.

Cheers

Kat

On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at
> least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> Jill Rowling
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Wed Jan 18 08:50:24 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:50:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <4AAA8C7D-CDA3-4653-A7CA-3034E985FF82@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org> <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
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Message-ID: <A934ED7C-4DE3-472A-8ADB-171A7ABD7442@d-silva.org>

Hi Folks,

For those of you attending the workshop, I'll be in Wellington 2 from the start of afternoon tea, to hand out workshop kits ($40, please bring exact change so we can get through it quickly) and assist with any prerequisite issues.

Please come early so we can start on time.

Cheers
-- 
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From allman at google.com  Wed Jan 18 08:59:57 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:59:57 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAMno5TSMS466-Zs60N1_9Nrw6zPnO_Q3vYjKGP8vVDgtUCOOHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Message-ID: <CACDwxg22cHkfuKwbeENB1n=qPQrw-HoyOA29gL4vL44hzCgQyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yay! Count me in please!

Any locals reading this with recommendations?

On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:

I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with up
to 4 others.

Cheers

Kat

On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.
au> wrote:

> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at
> least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> Jill Rowling
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From kris.howard at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 09:08:19 2017
From: kris.howard at gmail.com (Kris Howard)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:08:19 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Message-ID: <E917DDCE-C630-4F01-AE3C-91B15CD20515@gmail.com>

I'm up for a wool store visit tomorrow!!

Kris

> On 18 Jan 2017, at 7:28 am, Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>> 
>> Jill
>> 
>> Jill Rowling
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cat Allman
> 
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> 
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.? 
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Wed Jan 18 09:29:17 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:29:17 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg22cHkfuKwbeENB1n=qPQrw-HoyOA29gL4vL44hzCgQyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <78FDD139-DDFD-4EDD-B1B7-9035A2E6AB64@vmbrasseur.com>

This shop is a short walk away on Sandy Bay Rd:

https://astitchintime.net.au

The website shows it's mostly embroidery gear, but the sign out front mentions it also has knitting gear.

--V

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 08:59, Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Yay! Count me in please!
> 
> Any locals reading this with recommendations?
> 
> On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with up to 4 others. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Kat
> 
> On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> 
> Jill
> 
> Jill Rowling
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cat Allman
> 
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> 
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.? 
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


From madduck at madduck.net  Wed Jan 18 09:59:24 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:59:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Come try Matrix at LCA2017
Message-ID: <20170117225924.nhulfjgiwxcy7gv6@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

Hello,

You might have heard of Matrix by now. Here's an e-mail with the
background information. Come try it out.

Matrix [0] is a federated protocol for rich, real-time
communications. We're using it at LCA2017 to bridge between Slack
and IRC [1], but Matrix is also a promising alternative to WhatsApp
and Signal, being Free & open, and allowing for end-to-end
encryption with multi-device support.

If you haven't yet, please consider trying it out. LCA2017 is
a great venue for that. Already 97 users at LCA have joined the
#linux.conf.au IRC channel through Matrix (compared to 15 Slack
users, and 163 pure IRC users, with some overlap) [2].

There's an app called "Riot" on F-Droid/Play/AppStore, as well as
a full-featured web client at [3]. Please use either to create
yourself an account and join #linux.conf.au:matrix.org (They ask for
an e-mail address, but I was told that's optional and only for
password retrieval).

If you need help, come talk to us in #lca-matrix on
chat.freenode.net, or #lca-matrix:matrix.org, or feel free to heckle
me directly (@madduck:madduck.net, or madduck[m] on Freenode).

And you're of course cordially invited to the unified communications
BoF on Friday [5].

  0. http://matrix.org
  1. http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/pipermail/chat/2017-January/000098.html
  2. Thanks to Jerry for the stats at
     http://www.jerrykan.com/lca2017/.
  3. https://riot.im/app/#/
  4. https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/chat/
  5. https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/libre-unified-communications/

PS: B-Sides Canberra on 17?18 March has a session on Matrix too:
    http://bsidescbr.com.au/speakers.html#cryptoparty

-- 
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From monica.wood at utas.edu.au  Wed Jan 18 10:05:09 2017
From: monica.wood at utas.edu.au (Monica Wood)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:05:09 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg22cHkfuKwbeENB1n=qPQrw-HoyOA29gL4vL44hzCgQyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d464t9cwj2bcx5htbnpsfjt6.1484694305101@email.android.com>

There is the stash cupboard.  http://www.thestashcupboard.com.au/
Also for tas wool i think there is a place at salamanca... but cant comment on it as i've not been there

Monica


-------- Original message --------
From: Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Date: 18/01/2017 09:53 (GMT+10:00)
To: Ms Kat <horngirl at gmail.com>
Cc: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
Subject: Re: [Chat] Wool BOF

Yay! Count me in please!

Any locals reading this with recommendations?

On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com<mailto:horngirl at gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with up to 4 others.

Cheers

Kat

On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au<mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au<mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.

Jill

Jill Rowling
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Chat mailing list
Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au<mailto:Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



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allman at google.com<mailto:allman at google.com>
Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

"Learning never exhausts the mind."
? Leonardo da Vinci

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From joshua.rich at elastic.co  Wed Jan 18 10:09:49 2017
From: joshua.rich at elastic.co (Joshua Rich)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:09:49 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Elastic, y'know for search! BoF!
In-Reply-To: <CAHNb3J9V9Ph2MP_Up7b6H6zu3xDt8kdzSeTgOzVrjjqyEzxeVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHNb3J9V9Ph2MP_Up7b6H6zu3xDt8kdzSeTgOzVrjjqyEzxeVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHNb3J-1zoS6EWYsTdMU0R-ytV-v61EE-xgh7s-ym-Uaze_8UA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

It looks like Tasman B/C is free, so let's meet in there at 12.20!

Best regards,

Josh Rich

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM Joshua Rich <joshua.rich at elastic.co> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Mark (@warkolm) and me (Josh, @devopswannabe) are going to run a BoF on
> Wednesday for all things Elastic and related!
>
> We can talk about all things Elastic:
>
>    - Elasticsearch
>    - Logstash
>    - Kibana
>    - Beats (Filebeat, Metricbeat, etc.)
>    - Prealert
>
> We can talk a little about the new features in v5 of the stack, how to
> migrate to the new version, how to secure your deployment and any else that
> might come up!
>
> We can also discuss any use-cases people have, and dig into how you would
> implement it with the tools above.
>
> Also, any other topics we can think of!
>
> JOIN US
>
>
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/elastic-bof/
>
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From brong at fastmail.fm  Wed Jan 18 10:53:31 2017
From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:53:31 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <78FDD139-DDFD-4EDD-B1B7-9035A2E6AB64@vmbrasseur.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1484697211.2684780.851029528.07A1187E@webmail.messagingengine.com>

A quick google search finds:

http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
http://www.woolsuppliers.com.au/ - Moonah (18 min drive)

I also have a hire car and can drive people during lunch.

Bron.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 09:29, VM Brasseur via Chat wrote:
> This shop is a short walk away on Sandy Bay Rd:
> 
> https://astitchintime.net.au
> 
> The website shows it's mostly embroidery gear, but the sign out front mentions it also has knitting gear.
> 
> --V
> 
> > On Jan 18, 2017, at 08:59, Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > 
> > Yay! Count me in please!
> > 
> > Any locals reading this with recommendations?
> > 
> > On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with up to 4 others. 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Kat
> > 
> > On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> > 
> > Jill
> > 
> > Jill Rowling
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Cat Allman
> > 
> > allman at google.com
> > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > Mountain View, CA USA
> > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> > 
> > ?Learning never exhausts the mind.? 
> > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


-- 
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  brong at fastmail.fm

From lca2017 at darren.cocco.id.au  Wed Jan 18 13:58:49 2017
From: lca2017 at darren.cocco.id.au (Darren Cocco)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:58:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Boardgames BoF
Message-ID: <1484708329.542192.851159864.2B8DA099@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Boardgames BoF provisionally scheduled for lunch time Thursday! Room
location pending.

Looking forward to random board game fun!

From brong at fastmail.fm  Wed Jan 18 14:06:16 2017
From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:06:16 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484697211.2684780.851029528.07A1187E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMno5TSMS466-Zs60N1_9Nrw6zPnO_Q3vYjKGP8vVDgtUCOOHw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <78FDD139-DDFD-4EDD-B1B7-9035A2E6AB64@vmbrasseur.com>
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Message-ID: <1484708776.2280332.851165272.6F48B673@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
> A quick google search finds:
> 
> http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)

I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in Salamanca anyway.

http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.

This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close together looks like a good plan :)

Bron.

-- 
  Bron Gondwana
  brong at fastmail.fm

From allman at google.com  Wed Jan 18 14:20:42 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:20:42 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484697211.2684780.851029528.07A1187E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
 <CACDwxg1x-JEza7zdBR05REvHXCRAimwMAyWLRXjTRhgXB1Jdjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMno5TSMS466-Zs60N1_9Nrw6zPnO_Q3vYjKGP8vVDgtUCOOHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACDwxg22cHkfuKwbeENB1n=qPQrw-HoyOA29gL4vL44hzCgQyQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <78FDD139-DDFD-4EDD-B1B7-9035A2E6AB64@vmbrasseur.com>
 <1484697211.2684780.851029528.07A1187E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <CACDwxg3fvwLSSAxJZJKKwk5aNZg-Q56bjLZEeXRA3LsaZ5tB=A@mail.gmail.com>

Yummy!!

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Bron Gondwana via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> A quick google search finds:
>
> http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
> http://www.woolsuppliers.com.au/ - Moonah (18 min drive)
>
> I also have a hire car and can drive people during lunch.
>
> Bron.
>
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 09:29, VM Brasseur via Chat wrote:
> > This shop is a short walk away on Sandy Bay Rd:
> >
> > https://astitchintime.net.au
> >
> > The website shows it's mostly embroidery gear, but the sign out front
> mentions it also has knitting gear.
> >
> > --V
> >
> > > On Jan 18, 2017, at 08:59, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yay! Count me in please!
> > >
> > > Any locals reading this with recommendations?
> > >
> > > On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store
> with up to 4 others.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > > On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > > I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab
> to at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > > The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> > >
> > > Jill
> > >
> > > Jill Rowling
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Cat Allman
> > >
> > > allman at google.com
> > > Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > > Mountain View, CA USA
> > > https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> > >
> > > ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> > > ? Leonardo da Vinci
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chat mailing list
> > > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana
>   brong at fastmail.fm
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>



-- 

Cat Allman

allman at google.com
Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
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From ftweedal at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 14:28:15 2017
From: ftweedal at redhat.com (Fraser Tweedale)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:28:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Access to Retained Data in Civil Proceedings BoF; Thurs lunch
Message-ID: <20170118032815.GR4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>

On Thurs lunch, there will be a BoF to discuss the Access to
Retained Data in Civil Proceedings consultation, and workshop
submissions.

Info:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/data-retention-consultation/

The venue is not yet decided; if you know a place, lock it in.

Thanks,
Fraser

From hugh at blemings.org  Wed Jan 18 14:38:52 2017
From: hugh at blemings.org (Hugh Blemings)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:38:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] [OT] Conservation on Bruny Island
Message-ID: <eac75514-4f8a-2dd7-e450-54362c9ca31f@blemings.org>

Hi,

My Mum forwarded me a rather long email from Environment Tasmania, a 
group that advocates for many things including the protection of the 
wonderful natural environment in this area.

They have an initiative underway at present that I suspect will resonate 
with many linux.conf.au attendees - the conservation of the natural 
environment of Bruny Island [0] - some 20 minutes ferry ride from Hobart.

Of particular note: Bruny Island has an important population of Fairy 
Penguins along with many other endangered species.

To the concern at hand, I quote from the email from Environment Tasmania;

"Industrial salmon farms are popping up all round Bruny. Our tourism 
friends reckon they threaten nature tourism, and we?re really worried 
about the waste they release in the oceans ? tonnes and tonnes of fish 
poo a year."

If this is the sort of thing you'd be comfortable signing a petition 
against, please do so at [1]

Thank you for your consideration,

Kind Regards,
Hugh

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruny_Island

[1] http://www.et.org.au/treasure_island?utm_source=tux


From lca2017 at darren.cocco.id.au  Wed Jan 18 14:39:08 2017
From: lca2017 at darren.cocco.id.au (Darren Cocco)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:39:08 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Boardgames BoF
In-Reply-To: <1484708329.542192.851159864.2B8DA099@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1484708329.542192.851159864.2B8DA099@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1484710748.550241.851183696.7916FFB3@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Boardgames BoF rescheduled to Thursday evening between 5:30pm and 9:30pm
to allow more time for games and to ensure we have a room to play in.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 01:58 PM, Darren Cocco wrote:
> Boardgames BoF provisionally scheduled for lunch time Thursday! Room
> location pending.
> 
> Looking forward to random board game fun!

From lmb at suse.com  Wed Jan 18 14:50:38 2017
From: lmb at suse.com (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 04:50:38 +0100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <A934ED7C-4DE3-472A-8ADB-171A7ABD7442@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
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Message-ID: <20170118035038.qcsfalifafgve4cj@suse.com>

On 2017-01-18T08:50:24, Alastair D'Silva via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

Hi all,

I just installed the pre-requisites on openSUSE Tumbleweed. mosquitto
was a bit annoying, since it's not part of the regular distribution. But
a community member has already packaged it and it is available from
their repository:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/tobijk:/networking/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/

Is there a way how we can verify/validate whether our install is working
and actually has all pre-requisites working and activated?

The "paho" tool in the checked out repo starts, I hope that's a good
sign.


Regards,
    Lars

-- 
SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imend?rffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG N?rnberg)
"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde


From jason at jasonshepherd.net  Wed Jan 18 15:32:27 2017
From: jason at jasonshepherd.net (Jason Shepherd)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 04:32:27 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Mt Wellington Hike on Saturday
Message-ID: <CAJ8bJ-TR9eRdT1ayHPGv8m=KVU0edZxc0vpv2ba=k36KUKB=8w@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is staying in Hobart on Saturday, I'm planning to go hiking on Mt
Wellington. I'd like to enjoy the hike with others, so if your staying the
extra day and like hiking please join me.

I think I might take the Organ Pipes tracks to The Chalet before coming
back down the Lenah Valley track.

https://www.wellingtonpark.org.au/assets/WP_Walk_Info_Sheet-MAP-Aug16.pdf

The hike will take most of the day, so we better leave early and bring
enough water and some food.

Regards,
Jason
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From ftweedal at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 15:47:42 2017
From: ftweedal at redhat.com (Fraser Tweedale)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:47:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Access to Retained Data in Civil Proceedings BoF;
 Thurs lunch
In-Reply-To: <20170118032815.GR4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
References: <20170118032815.GR4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20170118044742.GS4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 02:28:15PM +1100, Fraser Tweedale via Chat wrote:
> On Thurs lunch, there will be a BoF to discuss the Access to
> Retained Data in Civil Proceedings consultation, and workshop
> submissions.
> 
> Info:
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/data-retention-consultation/
> 
> The venue is not yet decided; if you know a place, lock it in.
> 
We'll meet in Tasman Hall A.

From michael at cassaniti.id.au  Wed Jan 18 15:48:38 2017
From: michael at cassaniti.id.au (Michael Cassaniti)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:48:38 +1100
Subject: [Chat] CACert Assurance BoF
Message-ID: <6b491f3f-fc1f-6535-a3cd-56556cb9f411@cassaniti.id.au>


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Michael Cassaniti

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From ftweedal at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 16:02:20 2017
From: ftweedal at redhat.com (Fraser Tweedale)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:02:20 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Haskell / functional programming BoF; Friday lunch
Message-ID: <20170118050220.GT4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>

A BoF for folks interested in Haskell or other functional
programming languages.

Friday lunchtime, Tasman B/C.
Unstructured. Lightning talks, project spruiking/recruiting, code
review, teaching/workshopping, asking questions, etc.

Wiki page:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/haskell/

From allman at google.com  Wed Jan 18 16:03:07 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:03:07 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484708776.2280332.851165272.6F48B673@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?

On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
> > A quick google search finds:
> >
> > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
>
> I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in
> Salamanca anyway.
>
> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.
>
> This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close
> together looks like a good plan :)
>
> Bron.
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana
>   brong at fastmail.fm
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From brong at fastmail.fm  Wed Jan 18 16:58:21 2017
From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:58:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Access to Retained Data in Civil Proceedings BoF;
 Thurs lunch
In-Reply-To: <20170118044742.GS4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
References: <20170118032815.GR4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
 <20170118044742.GS4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1484719101.2325854.851260496.307E81AC@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 15:47, Fraser Tweedale via Chat wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 02:28:15PM +1100, Fraser Tweedale via Chat wrote:
> > On Thurs lunch, there will be a BoF to discuss the Access to
> > Retained Data in Civil Proceedings consultation, and workshop
> > submissions.
> > 
> > Info:
> > https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/data-retention-consultation/
> > 
> > The venue is not yet decided; if you know a place, lock it in.
> > 
> We'll meet in Tasman Hall A.

FYI - I won't be able to be there for this, I've already promised my time elsewhere, but here's the submission that FastMail made:

Submission to Communications Security Branch regarding "Access to telecommunications data in civil proceedings".

To whom it may concern,

FastMail Pty Ltd is an Australian company providing hosted internet email and related services to individuals and companies in over 100 countries. While we do sell our service to Australians, the bulk of our customer base is overseas. Our customers tell us that a significant reason why they choose to pay for our service is the privacy they are afforded under Australian law.

Because of The Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2015, we have no infrastructure processing customer data in Australia. We cancelled our plans to set up an Australian datacentre because the metadata requirements made it more onerous to store customer data inside Australia.

For businesses in other jurisdictions, the idea that their metadata could be handed over by an Australian court for a civil case would make them less willing to buy from us. This directly impacts our bottom line, and likewise that of any other Australian company wishing to sell hosted internet service overseas. European companies in particular require an assurance that their data is being processed in such a way that they are afforded the privacy and protections that their own countries require of them by law.

Even if an expanded scope of metadata use doesn't directly impact us now, it creates an impression that the Australian Government will continue to expand the scope of this class of laws until it does affect our users. Metadata retention requirements hurt Australian companies exporting services based on Australian skill.

We already suffer brain drain as a country, with many of our best technologists moving to San Francisco to join the startup world there. Laws that discourage forming technology startups in Australia by removing privacy safeguards on access to customer business data will not help this situation.

While it is obvious that civil litigants would like to be able to obtain any data that can help their cases, metadata is rarely used to support civil litigation, and civil litigation can already access the metadata collected in everyday operations.

On the other hand, weakening of data protections makes Australian companies less competitive globally. We strongly oppose the expansion of metadata access for civil cases.

Bron Gondwana on behalf of the Directors of FastMail.

-- 
  Bron Gondwana
  brong at fastmail.fm

From robn at fastmail.com  Wed Jan 18 17:31:18 2017
From: robn at fastmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Rob=20N=20=E2=98=85?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:31:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Access to Retained Data in Civil Proceedings BoF;
 Thurs lunch
In-Reply-To: <1484719101.2325854.851260496.307E81AC@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20170118032815.GR4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
 <20170118044742.GS4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
 <1484719101.2325854.851260496.307E81AC@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1484721078.3314180.851279864.32840D3E@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I will be there and able to talk about FastMail's submission if
it comes up.




On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 04:58 PM, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 15:47, Fraser Tweedale via Chat wrote:

>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 02:28:15PM +1100, Fraser Tweedale via
>> Chat wrote:
>>> On Thurs lunch, there will be a BoF to discuss the Access to

>>> Retained Data in Civil Proceedings consultation, and workshop

>>> submissions.

>>> 

>>> Info:

>>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/data-retention-consultation/
>>> 

>>> The venue is not yet decided; if you know a place, lock it in.

>>> 

>> We'll meet in Tasman Hall A.

> 

> FYI - I won't be able to be there for this, I've already
> promised my time
> elsewhere, but here's the submission that FastMail made:

> 

> Submission to Communications Security Branch regarding "Access to

> telecommunications data in civil proceedings".

> 

> To whom it may concern,

> 

> FastMail Pty Ltd is an Australian company providing hosted
> internet email
> and related services to individuals and companies in over 100
> countries.
> While we do sell our service to Australians, the bulk of our customer
> base is overseas. Our customers tell us that a significant reason why
> they choose to pay for our service is the privacy they are
> afforded under
> Australian law.

> 

> Because of The Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment
> (Data Retention) Bill 2015, we have no infrastructure processing
> customer
> data in Australia. We cancelled our plans to set up an Australian

> datacentre because the metadata requirements made it more onerous to

> store customer data inside Australia.

> 

> For businesses in other jurisdictions, the idea that their
> metadata could
> be handed over by an Australian court for a civil case would make them
> less willing to buy from us. This directly impacts our bottom
> line, and
> likewise that of any other Australian company wishing to sell hosted

> internet service overseas. European companies in particular require an
> assurance that their data is being processed in such a way that
> they are
> afforded the privacy and protections that their own countries
> require of
> them by law.

> 

> Even if an expanded scope of metadata use doesn't directly
> impact us now,
> it creates an impression that the Australian Government will
> continue to
> expand the scope of this class of laws until it does affect our users.
> Metadata retention requirements hurt Australian companies exporting

> services based on Australian skill.

> 

> We already suffer brain drain as a country, with many of our best

> technologists moving to San Francisco to join the startup world there.
> Laws that discourage forming technology startups in Australia by
> removing
> privacy safeguards on access to customer business data will not
> help this
> situation.

> 

> While it is obvious that civil litigants would like to be able
> to obtain
> any data that can help their cases, metadata is rarely used to support
> civil litigation, and civil litigation can already access the metadata
> collected in everyday operations.

> 

> On the other hand, weakening of data protections makes Australian

> companies less competitive globally. We strongly oppose the
> expansion of
> metadata access for civil cases.

> 

> Bron Gondwana on behalf of the Directors of FastMail.

> 

> --

>   Bron Gondwana

>   brong at fastmail.fm

> _________________________________________________

> Chat mailing list

> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au

> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From andyg at geekscape.org  Wed Jan 18 17:34:58 2017
From: andyg at geekscape.org (Andy Gelme)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:34:58 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini-Conference BoF: Thursday lunchtime 12:20
 pm at the Boardwalk
Message-ID: <67c74f62-094e-eb4e-f6de-3e2eca824c9f@geekscape.org>

hi All,

If you'd like further assistance with your hardware build and/or
firmware installation ... or, help with firmware issues, discuss
firmware development and collaboration after LCA2017 ... then, drop into
the Boardwalk on Thursday lunch-time (12:20 mp to 1:20 pm) for the OHMC BoF.

The Boardwalk is close to the LCA information desk on the lower floor.

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From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Wed Jan 18 18:01:15 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:01:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Access to Retained Data in Civil Proceedings BoF;
 Thurs lunch
In-Reply-To: <1484719101.2325854.851260496.307E81AC@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20170118032815.GR4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
 <20170118044742.GS4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>
 <1484719101.2325854.851260496.307E81AC@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <39F61CA6-4D85-4CDC-9E8D-237EC8661DEA@vmbrasseur.com>

omg

And THIS is why I love to give you people my money.

<3

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 16:58, Bron Gondwana via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 15:47, Fraser Tweedale via Chat wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 02:28:15PM +1100, Fraser Tweedale via Chat wrote:
>>> On Thurs lunch, there will be a BoF to discuss the Access to
>>> Retained Data in Civil Proceedings consultation, and workshop
>>> submissions.
>>> 
>>> Info:
>>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/data-retention-consultation/
>>> 
>>> The venue is not yet decided; if you know a place, lock it in.
>>> 
>> We'll meet in Tasman Hall A.
> 
> FYI - I won't be able to be there for this, I've already promised my time elsewhere, but here's the submission that FastMail made:
> 
> Submission to Communications Security Branch regarding "Access to telecommunications data in civil proceedings".
> 
> To whom it may concern,
> 
> FastMail Pty Ltd is an Australian company providing hosted internet email and related services to individuals and companies in over 100 countries. While we do sell our service to Australians, the bulk of our customer base is overseas. Our customers tell us that a significant reason why they choose to pay for our service is the privacy they are afforded under Australian law.
> 
> Because of The Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2015, we have no infrastructure processing customer data in Australia. We cancelled our plans to set up an Australian datacentre because the metadata requirements made it more onerous to store customer data inside Australia.
> 
> For businesses in other jurisdictions, the idea that their metadata could be handed over by an Australian court for a civil case would make them less willing to buy from us. This directly impacts our bottom line, and likewise that of any other Australian company wishing to sell hosted internet service overseas. European companies in particular require an assurance that their data is being processed in such a way that they are afforded the privacy and protections that their own countries require of them by law.
> 
> Even if an expanded scope of metadata use doesn't directly impact us now, it creates an impression that the Australian Government will continue to expand the scope of this class of laws until it does affect our users. Metadata retention requirements hurt Australian companies exporting services based on Australian skill.
> 
> We already suffer brain drain as a country, with many of our best technologists moving to San Francisco to join the startup world there. Laws that discourage forming technology startups in Australia by removing privacy safeguards on access to customer business data will not help this situation.
> 
> While it is obvious that civil litigants would like to be able to obtain any data that can help their cases, metadata is rarely used to support civil litigation, and civil litigation can already access the metadata collected in everyday operations.
> 
> On the other hand, weakening of data protections makes Australian companies less competitive globally. We strongly oppose the expansion of metadata access for civil cases.
> 
> Bron Gondwana on behalf of the Directors of FastMail.
> 
> -- 
> Bron Gondwana
> brong at fastmail.fm
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


From linuxconf at my.host.net.nz  Wed Jan 18 19:28:50 2017
From: linuxconf at my.host.net.nz (linuxconf at my.host.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:28:50 +1300
Subject: [Chat] MQTT session - lost pocket knife
In-Reply-To: <67c74f62-094e-eb4e-f6de-3e2eca824c9f@geekscape.org>
References: <67c74f62-094e-eb4e-f6de-3e2eca824c9f@geekscape.org>
Message-ID: <dea4bb880bf079feefddb31956f7546e@my.host.net.nz>

Hi,

If anyone discovers they have come into possession of a small, blue 
pocket knife, I would be grateful if this could be handed in to the 
conference registration desk, as it has sentimental value to me.  (It 
got misplaced during the "Automate your home with MQTT" session)

Thanks,
David


On 2017-01-18 19:34, Andy Gelme via Chat wrote:
> hi All,
> 
> If you'd like further assistance with your hardware build and/or
> firmware installation ... or, help with firmware issues, discuss
> firmware development and collaboration after LCA2017 ... then, drop 
> into
> the Boardwalk on Thursday lunch-time (12:20 mp to 1:20 pm) for the OHMC 
> BoF.
> 
> The Boardwalk is close to the LCA information desk on the lower floor.

From jessica at itgrrl.com  Wed Jan 18 22:40:59 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:40:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZXc5g3OKav7BtbRLdAy5Zg4rdErSKcWSXML7sPnsWAe0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've finalised the Astronomy BoF attendee list and waitlist and have locked
the wiki page for editing. I've also added in details of the bus departure
and return times.

In brief: bus will be ready for boarding at 5:20pm TOMORROW night (Thursday
19th Jan), for departure at 5:30pm SHARP. We really have no wiggle room on
this - if you're unable to make it onto the bus by departure time for any
reason, your spot WILL be given to someone on the waitlist.

The bus will depart from the regular bus pickup point at Wrest Point
outside the exit nearest the registration desk.

For the return, there's less time pressure. The bus should be ready for
boarding about 7:45pm for an 8:00pm return to Wrest Point. We should have
you back at Wrest Point about 8:30pm, where you can board the regular
conference shuttle service for the UTAS student accommodation --> City
Centre --> Wrest Point loop.

If you plan on catching the bus TO the observatory but not returning on the
bus to Wrest Point, please let me know BEFORE you leave so that we can
ensure that we have a correct headcount before leaving the observatory!

As you may have noticed tonight, it can get cold of an evening - please
dress warmly with extra layers as needed. You may wish to bring a little
spare cash to splurge at the museum gift shop to help support the
observatory.


In finalising numbers, I double-checked the wiki page edit history to
determine who were the first 45 people to register. Anyone who added
themselves after that has been added to the waitlist. Details are below and
on the wiki page at
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/

*Attendee List*

1. Jessica Smith (@itgrrl)
2. Jai Cornes
3. Sarah Ernst (Jai's +1)
4. John Dalton (@johndalton)
5. Karl-Johan Karlsson
6. Randall Crook
7. Paul Warren
8. Mars (@themartianlife)
9. Paris (@parisba)
10. @the_mcjones (Paris' +1)
11. @caskey (Paris' +2)
12. Ivan Brawley
13. Katrina Szetey (@pelagikat)
14. Stuart Young (@cefiar)
15. Jon (@desplesda)
16. Pete Lawler
17. Georgie Addison (Pete's +1, will meet us there)
18. Stephen Edmonds (@popcorncx)
19. Michael Cree
20. Simon Lyall (@slyall)
21. Sebastian Cook (@tsuite)
22. Justin Thiessen
23. Josh Deprez (@DrJosh9000)
24. Hannah Thompson (@hannahcancode)
25. Cameron Lonsdale (@MyOutpost)
26. Camilla Blomberg
27. Jaime Schmidt (@jaimekristene)
28. Jan Schmidt (thaytan)
29. Arthur Schmidt
30. Oliver Schmidt
31. Andrew Gordon (@andkiw)
32. Andrew Bartlett
33. Maksim Lin (@mklin)
34. Dan Hawke (@dankaska)
35. Matthew Chapman (@eigenmatt)
36. Thomas Sprinkmeier
37. Emma
38. Alex
39. Paul Hamilton
40. Paul Fenwick (@pjf)
41. Kate McCombs (@katecom)
42. Robert Mibus (@mibus)
43. Matthew D'Orazio
44. David Go
45. Paul McInerney


*Waitlist*

The people below are on the waitlist. They will be given a spot in the BoF
if anyone on the attendee list is unable to attend.

1. David Lord (@dal_geek)
2. Jed Murzello
3. Ben Martin
4. Ender
5. Nik Lam
6. Matt Ames
7. Jeremy Utting


Cheers,

Jessica
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From allman at google.com  Thu Jan 19 07:12:37 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:12:37 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg1VwXHHpHwY+fjRtW4FC86kwGE9GwuCRvzmX8CZ1hnxEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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 <78FDD139-DDFD-4EDD-B1B7-9035A2E6AB64@vmbrasseur.com>
 <1484697211.2684780.851029528.07A1187E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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DARN IT! I have a work BoF at lunch that I had forgotten about so I have to
miss this :-(

Please have fun for me!

Cat

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Cat Allman <allman at google.com> wrote:

> Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?
>
> On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
>> > A quick google search finds:
>> >
>> > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
>>
>> I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in
>> Salamanca anyway.
>>
>> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.
>>
>> This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close
>> together looks like a good plan :)
>>
>> Bron.
>>
>> --
>>   Bron Gondwana
>>   brong at fastmail.fm
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>


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From support at mathewoak.es  Thu Jan 19 07:54:49 2017
From: support at mathewoak.es (Mathew Oakes)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:54:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Mt Wellington Hike on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <CAJ8bJ-TR9eRdT1ayHPGv8m=KVU0edZxc0vpv2ba=k36KUKB=8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ8bJ-TR9eRdT1ayHPGv8m=KVU0edZxc0vpv2ba=k36KUKB=8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8f200f52-c245-38e3-201e-ea9d10a6ab2c@mathewoak.es>

Walking on the mountain is one of my favourite hobbies, I'd be happy to 
join in and I'm familiar with may tracks...

I'd suggest catching the bus up to Fern Tree to start with, and there 
are buses 2km from the edge of the park at Lenah Valley every hour.

cheers,
Mat


On 18/1/17 3:32 pm, Jason Shepherd via Chat wrote:
> If anyone is staying in Hobart on Saturday, I'm planning to go hiking 
> on Mt Wellington. I'd like to enjoy the hike with others, so if your 
> staying the extra day and like hiking please join me.
>
> I think I might take the Organ Pipes tracks to The Chalet before 
> coming back down the Lenah Valley track.
>
> https://www.wellingtonpark.org.au/assets/WP_Walk_Info_Sheet-MAP-Aug16.pdf
>
> The hike will take most of the day, so we better leave early and bring 
> enough water and some food.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From sellis at redhat.com  Thu Jan 19 07:56:59 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:56:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
In-Reply-To: <CAHo11d6L6pj=qdEZ=sjkwCHfx4xK0n8h-spWbPTLavHNMwQ+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>
 <CABLbxQ1GnswUVbQ=73AGpSsevL5cCuapHjqT0g5=8oNktTq91Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABLbxQ2CgpyuyGYfmexrRJRysB7hGYUnQbbvWV==gv1Tr+kH0A@mail.gmail.com>

I've now updated the schedule at
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/

The Jobs BoF will be held in the boardwalk gallery (downstairs near rego)
from 12:20 (ish). Probably 12:30 so you can quickly grab a plate for lunch.

Steve

On 17 January 2017 at 15:02, Andrew Kirkpatrick <ubermonk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Works for me.
>
> On 17 January 2017 at 10:28, Steven Ellis via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> > Looks like my email didn't make it to the list.
> >
> > How does Friday lunch time suit everyone?
> >
> > On 17/01/2017 10:22 AM, "Karl Goetz via Chat"
> > <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
> > either... is there an organiser?
> >
> > thanks,
> > kk
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chat mailing list
> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> >
>



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From krig at koru.se  Thu Jan 19 08:37:10 2017
From: krig at koru.se (=?utf-8?Q?Kristoffer_Gr=C3=B6nlund?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:37:10 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
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I'm interested in tagging along but am also otherwise occupied today :( Any chance for a straggler group tomorrow?

Cheers,
Kristoffer

> On 19 Jan 2017, at 07:12, Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> DARN IT! I have a work BoF at lunch that I had forgotten about so I have to miss this :-(
> 
> Please have fun for me!
> 
> Cat
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Cat Allman <allman at google.com> wrote:
>> Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
>>> > A quick google search finds:
>>> >
>>> > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
>>> 
>>> I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in Salamanca anyway.
>>> 
>>> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.
>>> 
>>> This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close together looks like a good plan :)
>>> 
>>> Bron.
>>> 
>>> --
>>>   Bron Gondwana
>>>   brong at fastmail.fm
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cat Allman
> 
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
> 
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.? 
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From adam at adamharvey.name  Thu Jan 19 09:02:43 2017
From: adam at adamharvey.name (Adam Harvey)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:02:43 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
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The UnPDNS is today! If you would like to come eat barbecued food in a
nearby park with awesome people, please sign up on the wiki:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/

Signups close at 3 (so I can go buy food). Please be sure to note if you
have any dietary restrictions!

See you there!

Adam

On 16 Jan. 2017 17:38, "Adam Harvey" <adam at adamharvey.name> wrote:

> We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first
> ever Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU
> Refectory and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA,
> except for the ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not just
> unprofessional in name.)
>
> Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let that
> stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly, eating
> the finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.
>
> *Here's what you need to know:*
>
> *PLACE*: Errol Flynn Reserve <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384119236>
> (search for "Short Beach" on Google Maps, as it doesn't know the real name
> for some reason)
> *TIME*: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
> *PRICE*: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
> dietary requirements when signing up); we will *not* be selling drinks
> this year
> *SIGNUPS*: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ?
> all welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get
> additional barbecue space
>
> *Things that we could use help with:*
>
> Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
> products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend us an
> esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch if you can
> help with either!
>
> *Drinks?*
>
> We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ
> <https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/faq/> includes a map
> <http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/unpdns-2017_121149> of your options
> to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park. Tasmanian law[0]
> permits responsible consumption of alcohol in most parks outside of central
> Hobart (including the one we're using), but please remember that you will
> be subject to Tasmania's laws around public intoxication. Save the
> whisk(e)y for the whisk(e)y BOF.
>
> Hope to see you all there!
>
> Adam, unprofessional unorganiser
>
> PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park has
> a lot of grass.
>
> [0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?
>
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Thu Jan 19 09:03:37 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:03:37 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZXc5g3OKav7BtbRLdAy5Zg4rdErSKcWSXML7sPnsWAe0A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Two people have had to pull out for tonight, so I've been able to move two
people from the waitlist to the attendee list. Congratulations David Lord
(@dal_geek) and Jed Murzello, you've made the cut!   ;-)

I've updated the wiki page accordingly -
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/astronomy_bof/


Cheers,

Jessica
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From horngirl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 09:11:08 2017
From: horngirl at gmail.com (Ms Kat)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:11:08 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
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I have access to our car both days so happy to do either or both days.

Cheers

Kat

On 19 Jan 2017 9:09 AM, "Kristoffer Gr?nlund via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'm interested in tagging along but am also otherwise occupied today :(
> Any chance for a straggler group tomorrow?
>
> Cheers,
> Kristoffer
>
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 07:12, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> DARN IT! I have a work BoF at lunch that I had forgotten about so I have
> to miss this :-(
>
> Please have fun for me!
>
> Cat
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Cat Allman <allman at google.com> wrote:
>
>> Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat" <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
>>> > A quick google search finds:
>>> >
>>> > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
>>>
>>> I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in
>>> Salamanca anyway.
>>>
>>> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.
>>>
>>> This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close
>>> together looks like a good plan :)
>>>
>>> Bron.
>>>
>>> --
>>>   Bron Gondwana
>>>   brong at fastmail.fm
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Thu Jan 19 09:22:38 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:22:38 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Hackerspaces BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAJPmrkx84Cwu_iCj7w7iS2etfs5NTjVaTS7zw2JiFq0fsv0cbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADRcJPj=bHTSeqbnpwOTYd0OnMdCBczLHGiW4R-oy-WbhWr6MQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 2017-01-17 at 16:25 +1100, Michael Emery wrote:
> if someone wants to do the smart thing and setup a wiki page to
> collect numbers for who wants to go out to the hackerspace on
> Thursday evening. I will see how many seats I can organise for
> transport out to the hackerspace.?
> 
> 

A bit late, but I created a page to track interested attendees here:
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/hobar
t-hackerpace-visit/

Short form:
http://bit.ly/2iCN31v

Please add yourself to the page if you would like to visit tonight.

--?
Alastair D'Silva ? ? ? ? ? mob: 0423 762 819
skype: alastair_dsilva ?
? Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org

From brong at fastmail.fm  Thu Jan 19 09:36:59 2017
From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:36:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
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This trip is not in the BOF list on the wiki yet, but yeah - there are
tons of other BOFs in that time slot.


Since Cat was the primary reason for doing this on Thursday and is
unable to make it, should we reschedule?




On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, at 08:37, Kristoffer Gr?nlund wrote:

> I'm interested in tagging along but am also otherwise occupied today
> :( Any chance for a straggler group tomorrow?
> 

> Cheers,

> Kristoffer

> 

> On 19 Jan 2017, at 07:12, Cat Allman via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> DARN IT! I have a work BoF at lunch that I had forgotten about so I
>> have to miss this :-(
>> 

>> Please have fun for me!

>> 

>> Cat

>> 

>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Cat Allman
>> <allman at google.com> wrote:
>>> Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?

>>> 

>>> On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat"
>>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:

>>>>  > A quick google search finds:

>>>>  >

>>>>  > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)

>>>> 

>>>>  I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends
>>>>  in Salamanca anyway.
>>>> 

>>>> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.

>>>> 

>>>>  This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that
>>>>  close together looks like a good plan :)
>>>> 

>>>>  Bron.

>>>> 

>>>>  --

>>>>    Bron Gondwana

>>>>    brong at fastmail.fm

>>>>  _______________________________________________

>>>>  Chat mailing list

>>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au

>>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> -- 

>> 

>> Cat Allman

>> 

>> allman at google.com

>> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science

>> Mountain View, CA USA

>> https://developers.google.com/open-source/

>> 

>> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.? 

>> ? Leonardo da Vinci

>> _______________________________________________

>> Chat mailing list

>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au

>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



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From jason at dickson.st  Thu Jan 19 09:54:47 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:54:47 +1100
Subject: [Chat] where can i get a child car seat for a week starting Friday
Message-ID: <03694de8-d6fa-f5a4-d51e-238627f9cc89@dickson.st>

Hi Guys,

I have my family joining me tomorrow and we need a car seat suitable for
a 2 year old, as unfortunately the car rental place ran out of car seats.

Does anyone know where I could rent a child car seat suitable for a 2yo
for a week?

Thanks

Jason
-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net


From jason at dickson.st  Thu Jan 19 10:21:27 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:21:27 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Emacs BoF: Thursday 5:30-6:30 TIME CHANGE
In-Reply-To: <8bee2276-2ab1-e771-613f-b6562104219f@dickson.st>
References: <8bee2276-2ab1-e771-613f-b6562104219f@dickson.st>
Message-ID: <4399e69e-c8a5-1c3a-0f04-01b431ffb40d@dickson.st>

Hi Guys,

Please note that we changed the time of the Emacs BoF to avoid some
conflicts with other BoFs.

See you tonight at 5:30 in Wellington Room 1.

Jason

On 16/1/17 8:03 am, Jason Lewis via Chat wrote:
> Hi LCAers,
> 
> I'm organising an Emacs BoF.
> 
> Things we can discuss:
> 
> New things in Emacs 25.1
> The stupid jokes non Emacs users make about Emacs
> Remacs
> Is there any interest in an Emacs users group or regular meetup?
> Join the Australian Emacs users email list
> any other topics of interest
> 
> I propose we meet in one of the lecture rooms Thursday Lunchtime. Room
> to be announced later.
> 
> Wiki page for further discussion:
> 
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/emacs_bof/
> 
> See you there!
> 
> Jason
> 


-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From i at joshuasimmons.name  Thu Jan 19 10:24:12 2017
From: i at joshuasimmons.name (Joshua R. Simmons)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:24:12 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Student Outreach and Google Summer of Code BoF
Message-ID: <CAMxoHczBs47V=V8mAfztTUgA935uqmvecktfTZrG9i2oqWid3w@mail.gmail.com>

Heads up for maintainers, students, and anyone else interested in getting
new people in to FOSS:

We're holding the Student Outreach, Google Summer of Code, and Google
Code-in BoF TODAY during lunch (1220) on the lawn under the shade of the
big tree (where the Penguin Dinner was held).

https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/student_outreach_bof/
-- 
@joshsimmons on Twitter | bluesomewhere on IRC
https://madeinsonoma.org | 707-277-1626
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Thu Jan 19 10:26:11 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:26:11 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday
Message-ID: <1632be67-132b-4a48-9a23-bcf56b407429@darkmere.gen.nz>

Are people interested in a Miniconfs BOF on Friday? Probably lunch time.


I'm thinking we could cover "getting your Miniconf accepted" for newer 
people and perhaps review how things are (or could be) run for existing 
organisers. Suggestions for other topics welcome.


Please let me know if you are keen and I'll create one.




Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
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From jason at dickson.st  Thu Jan 19 10:31:25 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:31:25 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday
In-Reply-To: <1632be67-132b-4a48-9a23-bcf56b407429@darkmere.gen.nz>
References: <1632be67-132b-4a48-9a23-bcf56b407429@darkmere.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <ce078cb0-ecd3-314d-92ae-464bf461139a@dickson.st>

I'd be interested, thanks Simon

On 19/1/17 10:26 am, Simon Lyall via Chat wrote:
> Are people interested in a Miniconfs BOF on Friday? Probably lunch time.
> 
> 
> I'm thinking we could cover "getting your Miniconf accepted" for newer
> people and perhaps review how things are (or could be) run for existing
> organisers. Suggestions for other topics welcome.
> 
> 
> Please let me know if you are keen and I'll create one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Simon Lyall  |  simon at darkmere.gen.nz  | http://simonlyall.com
> 
> Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 


-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From marc at merlins.org  Thu Jan 19 10:33:54 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:33:54 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Lost open hardware board in a small flat white cardboard box
 (at MQTT workshop, or earlier in the day yesterday)
In-Reply-To: <20170118035038.qcsfalifafgve4cj@suse.com>
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Message-ID: <20170118233354.hxtuscmixvprbf4m@merlins.org>

I somehow managed to lose my beloved iotuz from the miniconf monday.

It looks like this:
https://github.com/CCHS-Melbourne/iotuz-esp32-hardware/wiki/Images/Assembly/IMG_8498.jpg

but it's inside a flat-ish cardboard box, along with a small multimeter.

I know I lost it yesterday, but don't know in which room.

Conf lost and found as well as hotel lost and found do not have it.

I'm hoping one of you picked it up and is wondering who to return it to
:)

But in the meantime, I'm very sad with the loss of this great little
board which I can't buy another one of, if you have it or find it, you
would make me a super happy panda.
You can Email me, or SMS +1 408 702 2271

Thanks a lot,
Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP 1024R/763BE901

From alastair at d-silva.org  Thu Jan 19 10:44:17 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:44:17 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
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Hi folks,


Extra Kits
==========

I'll be making further kits available online shortly (I'll need to get
more modules in). Expect ~$50, including postage within Australia. It
will take about 3-4 weeks for the parts to arrive.

Please get in touch if you would like to reserve one.


OSX Support
===========

For those of you who figured out how to get things going on OSX, great
work - could you please send me the details (or preferably, a github
pull request)?


Lost Hardware
=============

A couple of people have reached out to ask if any bits have been found.
If you could please check for the following, and get in touch with me
if these accidentally ended up in your possession, and I'll connect you
to their owners.

- Blue pen-knife
- Small cardboard box with OHMC "IoTuz" dev board & Multimeter

Cheers,

--?
Alastair D'Silva ? ? ? ? ? mob: 0423 762 819
skype: alastair_dsilva ?
? Twitter: @EvilDeece
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org

From monica.wood at utas.edu.au  Thu Jan 19 10:59:53 2017
From: monica.wood at utas.edu.au (Monica Wood)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:59:53 +0000
Subject: [Chat] where can i get a child car seat for a week starting
 Friday
In-Reply-To: <03694de8-d6fa-f5a4-d51e-238627f9cc89@dickson.st>
References: <03694de8-d6fa-f5a4-d51e-238627f9cc89@dickson.st>
Message-ID: <8ovb7xf9siu8cj7p0dtdgxo0.1484783990813@email.android.com>

Hi jason.
Give hire for baby a go. they are a small franchise run by a local mum.  hopefully they have something available.

Cheers
Monica


-------- Original message --------
From: Jason Lewis via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
Date: 19/01/2017 10:54 (GMT+10:00)
To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
Subject: [Chat] where can i get a child car seat for a week starting Friday

Hi Guys,

I have my family joining me tomorrow and we need a car seat suitable for
a 2 year old, as unfortunately the car rental place ran out of car seats.

Does anyone know where I could rent a child car seat suitable for a 2yo
for a week?

Thanks

Jason
--
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

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From roan.kattouw at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 11:10:21 2017
From: roan.kattouw at gmail.com (Roan Kattouw)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:10:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484779019.3897710.852203848.3F8AF1B1@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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Sounds good to me. I'm now signed up to chair a session right after lunch,
so I also can't make it (in that I really shouldn't go on a trip away from
the venue if I also have to be at a session 10 mins early).

How about Friday at lunchtime?

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Bron Gondwana via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> This trip is not in the BOF list on the wiki yet, but yeah - there are
> tons of other BOFs in that time slot.
>
> Since Cat was the primary reason for doing this on Thursday and is unable
> to make it, should we reschedule?
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, at 08:37, Kristoffer Gr?nlund wrote:
>
> I'm interested in tagging along but am also otherwise occupied today :(
> Any chance for a straggler group tomorrow?
>
> Cheers,
> Kristoffer
>
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 07:12, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> DARN IT! I have a work BoF at lunch that I had forgotten about so I have
> to miss this :-(
>
> Please have fun for me!
>
> Cat
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Cat Allman <allman at google.com> wrote:
>
> Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?
>
> On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
> > A quick google search finds:
> >
> > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
>
> I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in
> Salamanca anyway.
>
> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.
>
> This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close
> together looks like a good plan :)
>
> Bron.
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana
>   brong at fastmail.fm
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana
>   brong at fastmail.fm
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hooliowobbits at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 11:26:20 2017
From: hooliowobbits at gmail.com (Hoolio Wobbits)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:26:20 +1100
Subject: [Chat] [HPC Bof] Tour of new UTAS HPC facility, tonight!
Message-ID: <CACODvWC_mixf==45gMAjgm_sH-LXWUUxM6gyLfXTA4tQtxsN+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Recently the University of Tasmania (UTAS) invested
<http://www.tpac.org.au/university-invests-5-million-to-ensure-computer-power-matches-research-demands/>
in a new High Performance Computing facility at the Sandy Bay campus.  The
facility is designed to provide around 250kw to a range of computing
platforms used by the University and it's partners operating in the
eResearch space and features the usual raised floor, fire suppression,
diesel generator backup etc.

In particular the facility now contains a new HPC cluster from Huawei
featuring ~7,000-cores, 32TB memory, 100gb infiniband which is intended to
function as a mix job cluster.  The cluster has been named Kunanyi after the
indigenous name for Mount Wellington (the big hill just up the river).  It
will be backed by various high capacity storage platforms including GPFS,
DMF and CephFS.

The facility is not yet operational and as such we have an opportunity to
extend an invite to interested parties who might like to have a look.  We're
offering ten participants a tour of the new facility starting 5:30pm
tonight for around 40 mins or so.

The first ten people to add their names to the wiki
<https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/tour-new-utas-hpc-facility/>
ought consider themselves accepted and should meet everyone else outside
the Engineering building on Grosvenor Crescent
<https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/Wrest+Point,+Sandy+Bay+Road,+Sandy+Bay,+Tasmania/-42.9020946,147.327173/@-42.9028605,147.3279693,16z/data=%213m1%214b1%214m9%214m8%211m5%211m1%211s0xaa6ddf430969e7a3:0x5d6ff081d3a3410%212m2%211d147.337535%212d-42.902507%211m0%213e2>
on the University campus at 17:30 tonight (Thursday).  It's about 10 mins
walk from here.

PS: Sincere apologies for the late announcement, it's taken a little time
to secure the appropriate approvals.

-- 
Kind regards, Julius

Training - Helpdesk - Collaboration
Tasmanian Partnership For Advanced Computing (TPAC), UTAS.

Linux Sysadmin - Cloud Devops
eResearch Infrastructure Services, Information Technology Services, UTAS
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From john at johndalton.info  Thu Jan 19 11:36:39 2017
From: john at johndalton.info (John Dalton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:36:39 +0000
Subject: [Chat] where can i get a child car seat for a week starting
 Friday
In-Reply-To: <03694de8-d6fa-f5a4-d51e-238627f9cc89@dickson.st>
References: <03694de8-d6fa-f5a4-d51e-238627f9cc89@dickson.st>
Message-ID: <CABFxdF1MX89YjjhZjHw_92=YGBu753DSBeZEaer2JYf11rK78A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jason,

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:24 AM Jason Lewis via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

>
> Does anyone know where I could rent a child car seat suitable for a 2yo
> for a week?
>

I can spare one, though it's been used - I can bring it in tomorrow if you
are interested.

Yours,

John
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From kris.howard at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 12:03:47 2017
From: kris.howard at gmail.com (Kristine Howard)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:03:47 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
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Sounds like tomorrow is preferred? I'm easy either way.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Bron Gondwana via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> This trip is not in the BOF list on the wiki yet, but yeah - there are
> tons of other BOFs in that time slot.
>
> Since Cat was the primary reason for doing this on Thursday and is unable
> to make it, should we reschedule?
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, at 08:37, Kristoffer Gr?nlund wrote:
>
> I'm interested in tagging along but am also otherwise occupied today :(
> Any chance for a straggler group tomorrow?
>
> Cheers,
> Kristoffer
>
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 07:12, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> DARN IT! I have a work BoF at lunch that I had forgotten about so I have
> to miss this :-(
>
> Please have fun for me!
>
> Cat
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Cat Allman <allman at google.com> wrote:
>
> Yay!  And Honeybadger dessert cafe is there too. ?
>
> On Jan 18, 2017 3:38 PM, "Bron Gondwana via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, at 10:53, Bron Gondwana via Chat wrote:
> > A quick google search finds:
> >
> > http://spindletree.com.au/ - Salamanca (7 min drive)
>
> I did some research at lunch since I was meeting up with friends in
> Salamanca anyway.
>
> http://salamancawoolshop.com/ -  has a ton of Tassie yarn.
>
> This is about 20 metres away from spindletree.  Two stores that close
> together looks like a good plan :)
>
> Bron.
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana
>   brong at fastmail.fm
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cat Allman
>
> allman at google.com
> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> Mountain View, CA USA
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/
>
> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
> ? Leonardo da Vinci
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana
>   brong at fastmail.fm
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From andrew at donnellan.id.au  Thu Jan 19 12:28:52 2017
From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:28:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] CACert Assurance BoF
In-Reply-To: <6b491f3f-fc1f-6535-a3cd-56556cb9f411@cassaniti.id.au>
References: <6b491f3f-fc1f-6535-a3cd-56556cb9f411@cassaniti.id.au>
Message-ID: <CALn+=Jr+Niw1QQ_xiU29kPtYT1TYAMG8Rmx4_PdcdQ5VqJw05g@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 January 2017 at 15:48, Michael Cassaniti via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> The CACert Assurance BoF will be held in the Tasman B/C room at lunch
> tomorrow.

I won't be there, because Rust BoF, but if anyone needs another 15
points come and find me - you will need to bring an assurance form
though.

-- 
Andrew Donnellan
http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au

From josh at nitrotech.org  Thu Jan 19 12:52:05 2017
From: josh at nitrotech.org (Joshua Hesketh)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:52:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF - IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZXc5g3OKav7BtbRLdAy5Zg4rdErSKcWSXML7sPnsWAe0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d87963f4-a347-1772-744d-35b2324d85bd@nitrotech.org>



On 18/01/17 22:40, Jessica Smith via Chat wrote:
> The bus will depart from the regular bus pickup point at Wrest Point
> outside the exit nearest the registration desk.

A clarification on this point. The bus will NOT be leaving from in front
of the check-in (aka registration) area. Those buses are for going back
to the university and into the city on their usual loop.

The bus for the Astronomy miniconf *will be leaving from the main
turning circle at the base of the tower* outside of the hotel reception.

Thanks,
Josh
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Thu Jan 19 12:55:23 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 01:55:23 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZVDbUq_WzjAsDGRt3SUVSbwTUMS+Bz-F_B=cKZDCB0u=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

For those who are making your own way to the Astronomy BoF, I've been in
touch with the museum to get info about exactly where to go. If you can
possibly make it to the museum by 6:00pm, please do. However if you follow
the instructions below you'll be able to get in even if you're running late.

------------------------------------------------------------
The bus will take you to the Grote Reber Museum, which is where latecomers
should arrive as well.  The telescope gates itself will be locked off.

Directions on how to find your way to the right place:

 1. Travel from Hobart to Cambridge (using A3)
2. Head west on Cambridge Road towards Richmond (B31)
3. Turn left at the Richmond Road intersection at Cambridge Primary School
4. Travel along the Richmond Road until you come to Denholm?s Rd (Frogmore
Creek winery will be on your left hand side when  you have turned the
corner)
5. Travel down Denholm?s Road, and over the cattle grid, up the hill to the
Utas Radio Telescope
6. At the top of the hill turn right and follow the road to the Grote Reber
Museum.
------------------------------------------------------------


Cheers,

Jessica
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Thu Jan 19 12:59:51 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 01:59:51 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF - IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION
In-Reply-To: <d87963f4-a347-1772-744d-35b2324d85bd@nitrotech.org>
References: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOUMSZVcaPyojH_jVj+9LLLEJix2MoUUryovxqr9FBQEscTPNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Josh, and apologies for the confusion. The mistake was entirely mine.

**Folks, please take note that the bus will be departing from the main
turning circle at the base of the tower outside hotel reception as per
Josh's email below.**

As this is a little further than the charter bus pick-up point, please
allow yourself extra time to get to the pick-up point by 5:20Pm. We leave
at 5:30pm SHARP!


Cheers,

Jessica


On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 at 12:52, Joshua Hesketh <josh at nitrotech.org> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 18/01/17 22:40, Jessica Smith via
>
> Chat wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The bus will depart from the regular bus pickup point at
>
> Wrest Point outside the exit nearest the registration desk.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A clarification on this point. The bus will NOT be leaving from in
>
> front of the check-in (aka registration) area. Those buses are for
>
> going back to the university and into the city on their usual loop.
>
>
>
>
>
> The bus for the Astronomy miniconf
>
> *will be leaving from the main turning circle at the base of the tower*
> outside of the hotel
>
> reception.
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> Thanks,
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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Thu Jan 19 13:01:30 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:01:30 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday
In-Reply-To: <1632be67-132b-4a48-9a23-bcf56b407429@darkmere.gen.nz>
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I have now booked in a slot at lunchtime on Friday. Feel free to add agenda 
stuff you yourself to the list of attendees (or just turn up)


Note: I think we won't be very big so happy for another smallish big to use 
the back of the room



https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/miniconf_bof/


Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
Sent from a phone that cost more than my car On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 
11:09am, Simon Lyall via Chat < chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au 
[chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] > wrote:
Are people interested in a Miniconfs BOF on Friday? Probably lunch time.


I'm thinking we could cover "getting your Miniconf accepted" for newer 
people and perhaps review how things are (or could be) run for existing 
organisers. Suggestions for other topics welcome.


Please let me know if you are keen and I'll create one.




Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
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From lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz  Thu Jan 19 13:10:54 2017
From: lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:10:54 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA2017 video mirror?
Message-ID: <5cb6f74b-fc8d-1b34-26bf-8cc491916245@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>

I see that some of the LCA2017 videos are already out:

https://www.youtube.com/user/linuxconfau2017
https://twitter.com/NextDayVideo

There's several videos of talks I missed (due to scheduling conflicts) 
that I'd like to grab to watch on my travels home (which will literally 
take most of Saturday).

Before I use up conference bandwidth dragging them back off YouTube (eg, 
tonight when the network is quieter), I thought I'd ask "is there a more 
local mirror of conference videos?"  'tis fine if the answer is "sorry, 
no, too low down the todo list".  Just thought I'd ask first.

Thanks,

Ewen

PS: The videos I've found so far related to the Sysadmin Miniconf are 
now linked from:

http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/programme17.html

(and the rest will be added as we find out the URLs)

From jthiessen at atlassian.com  Thu Jan 19 13:15:03 2017
From: jthiessen at atlassian.com (Justin Thiessen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:15:03 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <d464t9cwj2bcx5htbnpsfjt6.1484694305101@email.android.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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If any store recs come out of this would love to hear.  My wife is an avid
knitter and always looking for more material. ;-)

Justin

On Jan 18, 2017 10:08, "Monica Wood via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> There is the stash cupboard.  http://www.thestashcupboard.com.au/
> Also for tas wool i think there is a place at salamanca... but cant
> comment on it as i've not been there
>
> Monica
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Date: 18/01/2017 09:53 (GMT+10:00)
> To: Ms Kat <horngirl at gmail.com>
> Cc: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> Subject: Re: [Chat] Wool BOF
>
> Yay! Count me in please!
>
> Any locals reading this with recommendations?
>
> On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with up
> to 4 others.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kat
>
> On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to
>> at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Jill Rowling
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cat Allman
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From bburgess at gladier.net  Thu Jan 19 13:31:21 2017
From: bburgess at gladier.net (Blake Burgess)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:31:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
In-Reply-To: <CAECH6uNmZUAsE8mY1RYeVW+aWVaGubkRzr9-G+jbAhtTWSvNbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALLOJ7gEDKJco18jttLbDAnByX0TXF1AP6TW1Excog0eoRR+Sw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALLOJ7j5-tiL2pYYoU5QVbyQiHDBY9KdR+gYZLqL7-v8nfJfjw@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder there's a BoF page on the wiki for interested people to
sign up.
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/escape
-room-post-conference-bof/

Will look at making a call later this evening on the who/when/where
depending on everyone's' availability. If we get enough people might run a
few sessions.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Stephen Edmonds via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'm also interested, though I am only available on the Saturday morning.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
> On 17 January 2017 at 23:01, Andrew Donnellan via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> On 17 January 2017 at 19:53, Blake Burgess via Chat
>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> > Hey
>> >
>> > Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference
>> (they're
>> > only open sat and sun)
>>
>> I'm interested - Alastair D'Silva was thinking of planning a visit too,
>> IIRC?
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short walk
>> from
>> > the cbd.
>> > http://www.evoloroomescape.com
>> >
>> > We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most of
>> > Saturday available.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chat mailing list
>> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Donnellan
>> http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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>
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Thu Jan 19 13:34:16 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:34:16 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1484783057.26278.1.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
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A joystick hat from the kit has been handed in to registration - if you're missing one from the kit, please check at reception.
-- 
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Thu Jan 19 13:40:16 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:40:16 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
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I'd really love to, but I'm flying out Saturday morning, and they weren't taking bookings during the conference :(

If anyone is exploring elsewhere in .AU part of their LCA trip, here's a shameless plug for my wife & I's blog, which reviews a number of escape rooms (mostly Canberra & Sydney):
https://escaperoomexplorers.wordpress.com


On 19 January 2017 1:31:21 PM AEDT, Blake Burgess via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>Just a reminder there's a BoF page on the wiki for interested people to
>sign up.
>https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/escape
>-room-post-conference-bof/
>
>Will look at making a call later this evening on the who/when/where
>depending on everyone's' availability. If we get enough people might
>run a
>few sessions.
>
>On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Stephen Edmonds via Chat <
>chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> I'm also interested, though I am only available on the Saturday
>morning.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>> On 17 January 2017 at 23:01, Andrew Donnellan via Chat <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 January 2017 at 19:53, Blake Burgess via Chat
>>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>> > Hey
>>> >
>>> > Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference
>>> (they're
>>> > only open sat and sun)
>>>
>>> I'm interested - Alastair D'Silva was thinking of planning a visit
>too,
>>> IIRC?
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short
>walk
>>> from
>>> > the cbd.
>>> > http://www.evoloroomescape.com
>>> >
>>> > We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most
>of
>>> > Saturday available.
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chat mailing list
>>> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Donnellan
>>> http://andrew.donnellan.id.au         andrew at donnellan.id.au
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>>

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From jason at dickson.st  Thu Jan 19 13:56:43 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:56:43 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini-Conference BoF: Thursday lunchtime
 12:20 pm at the Boardwalk
In-Reply-To: <67c74f62-094e-eb4e-f6de-3e2eca824c9f@geekscape.org>
References: <67c74f62-094e-eb4e-f6de-3e2eca824c9f@geekscape.org>
Message-ID: <11559115-853f-6ad7-44d3-2bb5370a48d2@dickson.st>

I made a #openhardware IRC channel on freenode in case anyone wants to
discuss this project further

Jason

On 18/1/17 5:34 pm, Andy Gelme via Chat wrote:
> hi All,
> 
> If you'd like further assistance with your hardware build and/or
> firmware installation ... or, help with firmware issues, discuss
> firmware development and collaboration after LCA2017 ... then, drop into
> the Boardwalk on Thursday lunch-time (12:20 mp to 1:20 pm) for the OHMC BoF.
> 
> The Boardwalk is close to the LCA information desk on the lower floor.
> 


-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From ryan.verner at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:00:21 2017
From: ryan.verner at gmail.com (Ryan Verner)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:00:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] LCA2017 video mirror?
In-Reply-To: <5cb6f74b-fc8d-1b34-26bf-8cc491916245@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>
References: <5cb6f74b-fc8d-1b34-26bf-8cc491916245@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <CAKXXGe2MubfCX47ZtKL7YCRJs38aZEZpUwgO1ZUsJfN+LadarA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ewen,

Videos definitely will appear up on the LA mirror.  I don't think we have
the capacity to make videos available locally before the end of the
conference, sorry.

R

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Ewen McNeill via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I see that some of the LCA2017 videos are already out:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/user/linuxconfau2017
> https://twitter.com/NextDayVideo
>
> There's several videos of talks I missed (due to scheduling conflicts)
> that I'd like to grab to watch on my travels home (which will literally
> take most of Saturday).
>
> Before I use up conference bandwidth dragging them back off YouTube (eg,
> tonight when the network is quieter), I thought I'd ask "is there a more
> local mirror of conference videos?"  'tis fine if the answer is "sorry, no,
> too low down the todo list".  Just thought I'd ask first.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ewen
>
> PS: The videos I've found so far related to the Sysadmin Miniconf are now
> linked from:
>
> http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/programme17.html
>
> (and the rest will be added as we find out the URLs)
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au  Thu Jan 19 14:12:41 2017
From: Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au (Michael Lake)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:12:41 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday
In-Reply-To: <d9772139-0a45-4b9c-9b90-b3736ac2b25b@darkmere.gen.nz>
References: <1632be67-132b-4a48-9a23-bcf56b407429@darkmere.gen.nz>,
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This seems to clah with the wool bof which had booked well room 2 at that time.
Knitters have knitting needles :-)

Mike Lake
9514 2238 (w)
________________________________________
From: Chat [chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] on behalf of Simon Lyall via Chat [chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:01 PM
To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
Subject: Re: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday

I have now booked in a slot at lunchtime on Friday. Feel free to add agenda stuff you yourself to the list of attendees (or just turn up)


Note: I think we won't be very big so happy for another smallish big to use the back of the room



https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/miniconf_bof/

Simon Lyall  |  simon at darkmere.gen.nz  | http://simonlyall.com

Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:09am, Simon Lyall via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au<mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:


Are people interested in a Miniconfs BOF on Friday? Probably lunch time.


I'm thinking we could cover "getting your Miniconf accepted" for newer people and perhaps review how things are (or could be) run for existing organisers. Suggestions for other topics welcome.


Please let me know if you are keen and I'll create one.



Simon Lyall  |  simon at darkmere.gen.nz  | http://simonlyall.com

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From jason at dickson.st  Thu Jan 19 14:20:59 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:20:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Mini-Conference BoF: Thursday lunchtime
 12:20 pm at the Boardwalk
In-Reply-To: <11559115-853f-6ad7-44d3-2bb5370a48d2@dickson.st>
References: <67c74f62-094e-eb4e-f6de-3e2eca824c9f@geekscape.org>
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Message-ID: <cc49ffb5-a53f-39db-6490-e6e89a1ac1aa@dickson.st>

OK, that channel was already registered. so we made #lca-openhardware

Please join that for further discussion

On 19/1/17 1:56 pm, Jason Lewis via Chat wrote:
> I made a #openhardware IRC channel on freenode in case anyone wants to
> discuss this project further
> 
> Jason
> 
> On 18/1/17 5:34 pm, Andy Gelme via Chat wrote:
>> hi All,
>>
>> If you'd like further assistance with your hardware build and/or
>> firmware installation ... or, help with firmware issues, discuss
>> firmware development and collaboration after LCA2017 ... then, drop into
>> the Boardwalk on Thursday lunch-time (12:20 mp to 1:20 pm) for the OHMC BoF.
>>
>> The Boardwalk is close to the LCA information desk on the lower floor.
>>
> 
> 


-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From mattcen+linuxconfau at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 14:24:25 2017
From: mattcen+linuxconfau at gmail.com (Matthew Cengia)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:24:25 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Friday lunch chat: Lessons learned from non-monogamy
Message-ID: <20170119032423.GA82219@isis.local>

[resending from correct address]

Hi folks,

Tl;dr: Friday 12:30 (lunch) on lawn where penguin dinner was: discussion/chat of non-monogamy and polyamory, and their benefits, including improved communication skills.

Long version

During the session on non-violent communication season of the Community Leadership Summit on Tuesday, I mentioned that I help facilitate discussion groups on non-monogamy, where fascinating lessons can be learned such as clear, direct and non-violent communication.

Since then, I've had a couple of people come and ask me to elaborate on my experience on non-monogamy (or more specifically polyamory; "many loves") so I thought I'd offer the opportunity to discuss this during lunch on Friday. I intend to be eating lunch with or near the queer BoF on the lawn where the penguin dinner was on Wednesday at 12:30 Friday if anyone is interested in quizzing me or having a chat. I welcome all questions, nothing too private or taboo, though I may politely decline to answer very few of them, and we must be mindful of the conference CoC.
-- 
Matthew Cengia

From jessica at itgrrl.com  Thu Jan 19 15:08:34 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:08:34 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZWMc75btW0tOZeVf1xGEap_XvVQqhF6zAnZF3A=j8pD6g@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Just a final reminder about tonight's Astronomy BoF - please note the
updated info about the bus departure point.

**The bus will be departing from the main turning circle at the base of the
tower outside hotel reception NOT the charter bus pickup point.**

As this is a little further than the charter bus pick-up point, please
allow yourself extra time to get to the pick-up point in time.

*Bus boarding: 5:20pm*
*Bus departure: 5:30pm*

**We leave at 5:30pm SHARP!**

Remember too that you won't have a chance to eat until you're back around
8:30pm tonight, so if you feel the need (the need to feed), make sure you
grab something before we leave.

See you all there!


Cheers,

Jessica
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From jeremy.visser at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 15:14:16 2017
From: jeremy.visser at gmail.com (Jeremy Visser)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 04:14:16 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Found Nasonex at back of Plenary Hall
Message-ID: <CABsiCiAq5dd06yZshs9JeVU-HSK5Rfy5uccxHyX5P-WaV=Qx1w@mail.gmail.com>

If someone lost their Nasonex prescription med behind the very back-middle
row of the Plenary Hall, it's now in the lost+found box at registration.
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From andyg at geekscape.org  Thu Jan 19 15:22:45 2017
From: andyg at geekscape.org (Andy Gelme)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:22:45 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Penguin dinner and quadcopter
Message-ID: <84a7df04-c4b3-d59e-dc52-ad3e3b851eb1@geekscape.org>

hi All,

No quadcopter video has been posted public, nor will it be.

-- 
-O-  cheers  =  /\ /\/ /) `/ =
--O                           --  http://www.geekscape.org     --
OOO  --  andyg at geekscape.org  --  http://twitter.com/geekscape --


From sjh at svana.org  Thu Jan 19 15:31:15 2017
From: sjh at svana.org (Steven Hanley)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:31:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF - Day 5,
 Friday morning - Easy with some sandy bay beach running
Message-ID: <20170119043114.GP11546@svana.org>

All

So tomorrow to finsih the beach showing off the pretty area we are
conferencing in and to hope a few more people join in the morning run fun.
Lets run along the sand around the point of the Sandy Bay sailing club.

Normal start point at the bottom of the hill at Residences (College Rd,
French St) at 6am. Head down through the uni to Sandy Bay Rd, past Wrest
Point at 6:15am if anyone down that way was to join us and keep heading
along Sandy Bay rd until the lane that takes us to the beach after the first
20 or so houses. Run along the beach around the point into some of the
parks.

Probably turn around and ocme back that way as beaches are flat and have
pretty views.

Back past Wrest point on the return (likely only 4km return from Wrest point
at that point) and then make our way back up the hill for those returning to
the colleges.

Hopefully get a good turn out and enjoy the morning (and if the rain waits
to settle in until after we are done all the bettter).

Fun will be had and all that.

See all you runner types there, pace is inclusive to all who want to get out
and enjoy the morning with us.

	See You
	    Steve 

-- 
Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
this vague little smile is my all-purpose expression 
the meaning of which i will leave to your discretion 
   Phase - Evolve - Ani

From jessica at itgrrl.com  Thu Jan 19 15:30:35 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:30:35 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZX3=VVrsjRQySedbVDS-3RJm5jkyYGV79xEQ82Pa1-7eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

This is a post-final email announcement...  :-/

We've had another two attendees drop out for tonight (boo!), which means
that two people on the waitlist now get to come (yay!).

The two lucky people are:

* Ben Martin
* Ender

I saw Ender already so have let him know - if you are Ben or know Ben,
please let him know so we can make sure he's there.


Cheers,

Jessica
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From jgoodwin at studio442.com.au  Thu Jan 19 15:31:57 2017
From: jgoodwin at studio442.com.au (Julien Goodwin)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:31:57 +1100
Subject: [Chat] USB-C & USB-PD lightning talk
Message-ID: <305edd59-9d5e-9586-b2bd-fcaeaebad65f@studio442.com.au>

My USB-C & USB-PD lighting talk at the hardware miniconf was a little
abbreviated, and I've been getting a few questions about it.

The slide deck is downloadable at:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3239420/USB-C%20%26%20USB-PD.pdf

I'll likely be ordering another batch of the USB-C Thinkpad adapters in
the next few weeks once I fix the connector footprint issue. If anyone
is interested in one of those, and/or wants to have a chat about how
USB-C & USB-PD might apply to their design please drop me a line.

A proper write-up of the project for my blog will hopefully be done next
week.

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From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Thu Jan 19 15:40:41 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:40:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday
In-Reply-To: <MEXPR01MB2069D7309CEF50D4D7E89E3ACF7E0@MEXPR01MB2069.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1632be67-132b-4a48-9a23-bcf56b407429@darkmere.gen.nz>,
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Sorry about that. I missed the clash. I've moved the Miniconf BOF to Tasman 
A



Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
Sent from a phone that cost more than my car On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 
2:12pm, Michael Lake < Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au [Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au] > wrote:

This seems to clah with the wool bof which had booked well room 2 at that 
time.
Knitters have knitting needles :-)

Mike Lake
9514 2238 (w)
________________________________________
 From: Chat [chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] on behalf of Simon 
Lyall via Chat [chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:01 PM
To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
Subject: Re: [Chat] Miniconfs Bof, Friday

I have now booked in a slot at lunchtime on Friday. Feel free to add agenda 
stuff you yourself to the list of attendees (or just turn up)


Note: I think we won't be very big so happy for another smallish big to use 
the back of the room



https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/miniconf_bof/

Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com

Sent from a phone that cost more than my car
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:09am, Simon Lyall via Chat 
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au<mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> 
wrote:


Are people interested in a Miniconfs BOF on Friday? Probably lunch time.


I'm thinking we could cover "getting your Miniconf accepted" for newer 
people and perhaps review how things are (or could be) run for existing 
organisers. Suggestions for other topics welcome.


Please let me know if you are keen and I'll create one.



Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com

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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Thu Jan 19 15:58:59 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:58:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Astronomy BoF
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZVd6cFyQVv6-Th7EXcV6vvETMn5wAm7e+BqDCF3Btx+nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOUMSZV+MntdeXPDOYQ_VoOak-hFdCQ6MSVTeE6nke6T4yWRdw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

This is a post-post-final email announcement...  :-)

We've had another attendee drop out for tonight, so now **Nik Lam** also
gets to come with us.  \o/

There are now only two people left on the waitlist, so the game isn't over
yet folks?


Cheers,

Jessica
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From pwarren at pwarren.id.au  Thu Jan 19 16:34:41 2017
From: pwarren at pwarren.id.au (Paul Warren)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:34:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Friday lunch chat: Lessons learned from non-monogamy
In-Reply-To: <20170119032423.GA82219@isis.local>
References: <20170119032423.GA82219@isis.local>
Message-ID: <093916f7-dd07-342f-53b0-5a3c0c508699@pwarren.id.au>


On 19/01/17 14:24, Matthew Cengia via Chat wrote:
> [resending from correct address]
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Tl;dr: Friday 12:30 (lunch) on lawn where penguin dinner was: discussion/chat of non-monogamy and polyamory, and their benefits, including improved communication skills.
> 
> Long version
> 
> During the session on non-violent communication season of the Community Leadership Summit on Tuesday, I mentioned that I help facilitate discussion groups on non-monogamy, where fascinating lessons can be learned such as clear, direct and non-violent communication.
> 
> Since then, I've had a couple of people come and ask me to elaborate on my experience on non-monogamy (or more specifically polyamory; "many loves") so I thought I'd offer the opportunity to discuss this during lunch on Friday. I intend to be eating lunch with or near the queer BoF on the lawn where the penguin dinner was on Wednesday at 12:30 Friday if anyone is interested in quizzing me or having a chat. I welcome all questions, nothing too private or taboo, though I may politely decline to answer very few of them, and we must be mindful of the conference CoC.
> 

I don't think I'll be able to make that particular session :( I'm
polyamorous too, so please feel free to ask me questions too if you are
curious, either in person or via email/twitter: @pawarren. I can't
guarantee my answers will be as eloquent or enlightening as Matthew's!

Cheers
--
Paul Warren

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From elvis at dogonfire.com  Thu Jan 19 17:16:36 2017
From: elvis at dogonfire.com (elvis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:16:36 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <2838C15C-343C-40D2-B4E4-DF0769C45DCD@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
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Is there a pic of what it looks like? I don't recall having a hat with 
mine, maybe it fell off the table...


On 19/01/17 13:34, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
> A joystick hat from the kit has been handed in to registration - if 
> you're missing one from the kit, please check at reception.
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

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From jason at dickson.st  Thu Jan 19 17:24:26 2017
From: jason at dickson.st (Jason Lewis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:24:26 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Emacs BoF: Thursday 5:30-6:30 TIME CHANGE
In-Reply-To: <4399e69e-c8a5-1c3a-0f04-01b431ffb40d@dickson.st>
References: <8bee2276-2ab1-e771-613f-b6562104219f@dickson.st>
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Message-ID: <2c1520e6-7306-1f7a-76c0-229205bed1b1@dickson.st>

Just a reminder, the Emacs BoF is on now in Wellington Room 1

On 19/1/17 10:21 am, Jason Lewis via Chat wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Please note that we changed the time of the Emacs BoF to avoid some
> conflicts with other BoFs.
> 
> See you tonight at 5:30 in Wellington Room 1.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On 16/1/17 8:03 am, Jason Lewis via Chat wrote:
>> Hi LCAers,
>>
>> I'm organising an Emacs BoF.
>>
>> Things we can discuss:
>>
>> New things in Emacs 25.1
>> The stupid jokes non Emacs users make about Emacs
>> Remacs
>> Is there any interest in an Emacs users group or regular meetup?
>> Join the Australian Emacs users email list
>> any other topics of interest
>>
>> I propose we meet in one of the lecture rooms Thursday Lunchtime. Room
>> to be announced later.
>>
>> Wiki page for further discussion:
>>
>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/emacs_bof/
>>
>> See you there!
>>
>> Jason
>>
> 
> 


-- 
Jason Lewis
http://emacstragic.net

From jwoithe at atrad.com.au  Thu Jan 19 20:21:43 2017
From: jwoithe at atrad.com.au (Jonathan Woithe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:51:43 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Shared taxi to airport at 1000 Saturday from uni residences?
Message-ID: <20170119092143.GA14967@marvin.atrad.com.au>

Hi all

I'm thinking of heading to the airport at around 1000 from the uni
accommodation on Saturday.  Is anyone interested in sharing a taxi
at that time?

Regards
  jonathan

-- 

From mithro at mithis.com  Thu Jan 19 21:10:04 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:10:04 +1100
Subject: [Chat] MicroPython on FPGAs
Message-ID: <CAHLUNMy0qwTPWCz9Lr8itXoTyY3zo8SjDKuzWDQn+xOatrnKeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

As I mentioned in my talk yesterday afternoon, Jim, Joel, Katie & myself
are looking at making MicroPython (https://micropython.org/) and FPGAs play
nicely together using the HDMI2USB LiteX firmware, a Python based system
for generating FPGA SoCs (https://github.com/mithro/HDMI2USB-litex-firmware/
).

The goal is to make it possible to do every part of FPGA development in
Python, both the gateware and firmware development!

We have a mostly working repl loop, but still need a lot of work to get all
the peripherals up and running. Eventually we want to be able to define new
hardware in the gateware and have micropython recognise it automatically
(probably using device tree...)

We would love your help with this! I even have spare FPGA hardware for
people to play with. Is anyone interested? We are having a BOF in
Wellington Room 1 on Friday Lunch (12:20 - 13:20)
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
sessions/micropython_on_fpgas/

Thanks!

Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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From linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx  Thu Jan 19 22:16:47 2017
From: linux.conf.au at popcorn.cx (Stephen Edmonds)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:16:47 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Escape room post conference bof
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I'm disappointed, but I am no longer available.

On 19 January 2017 at 13:40, Alastair D'Silva via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> I'd really love to, but I'm flying out Saturday morning, and they weren't
> taking bookings during the conference :(
>
> If anyone is exploring elsewhere in .AU part of their LCA trip, here's a
> shameless plug for my wife & I's blog, which reviews a number of escape
> rooms (mostly Canberra & Sydney):
> https://escaperoomexplorers.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> On 19 January 2017 1:31:21 PM AEDT, Blake Burgess via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> Just a reminder there's a BoF page on the wiki for interested people to
>> sign up.
>> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/escape
>> -room-post-conference-bof/
>>
>> Will look at making a call later this evening on the who/when/where
>> depending on everyone's' availability. If we get enough people might run a
>> few sessions.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Stephen Edmonds via Chat <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also interested, though I am only available on the Saturday morning.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On 17 January 2017 at 23:01, Andrew Donnellan via Chat <
>>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17 January 2017 at 19:53, Blake Burgess via Chat
>>>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>>> > Hey
>>>> >
>>>> > Is anyone interested in doing an escape room bof post conference
>>>> (they're
>>>> > only open sat and sun)
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested - Alastair D'Silva was thinking of planning a visit too,
>>>> IIRC?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Looking at Google there's a place called evolo which is a short walk
>>>> from
>>>> > the cbd.
>>>> > http://www.evoloroomescape.com
>>>> >
>>>> > We'd be limited to 2x6 people teams and it looks like we have most of
>>>> > Saturday available.
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chat mailing list
>>>> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>>> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From kris.howard at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 22:23:50 2017
From: kris.howard at gmail.com (Kris Howard)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:23:50 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Webdev42 meetup Wednesday
Message-ID: <B3400763-7490-4765-88E2-351A72FDBD43@gmail.com>

If any of you are still around Wednesday, the local Hobart user group Webdev42 is having a meetup: http://web.dev42.co/  I met the organiser David (from Biteable) tonight and they sound like a friendly group. Also looking for speakers if anyone wants to give a talk!

Kris
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From jillr at speleonics.com.au  Thu Jan 19 22:44:51 2017
From: jillr at speleonics.com.au (Jill Rowling)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:44:51 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <CAJoAGkbaRFz_HjYM7_HXvaUzEo5K+Xz-L72M_oWt6kQy1gPOEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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With the Wool BOF on Friday lunchtime, you don't have to go to the shop; it can
come to you. Well, in a limited way at any rate.

I'll bring my small selection of alpaca yarns. Shameless plug follows:
The 100g balls are A$40.00 and the skeins are A$37.00 each. They are more
expensive than the ones at the shop in Salamanca* but are 100% made in Australia
and the name of the alpaca is on the label. Natural colours, huacaya and suri.
>From our herd, spun in an Australian mini mill.

At the wool BOF I'd also like to discuss hacking knitting machines and jacquard
loom attachments which are usually chain programmed although there are some
closed-source ones around.

Cheers,

Jill

* The pretty dyed alpaca in the shop at Salamanca is from Australian white
huacaya alpaca which has been processed and dyed in New Zealand.

Quoting Justin Thiessen via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>:

> If any store recs come out of this would love to hear.  My wife is an avid
> knitter and always looking for more material. ;-)
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Jan 18, 2017 10:08, "Monica Wood via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> > There is the stash cupboard.  http://www.thestashcupboard.com.au/
> > Also for tas wool i think there is a place at salamanca... but cant
> > comment on it as i've not been there
> >
> > Monica
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> > Date: 18/01/2017 09:53 (GMT+10:00)
> > To: Ms Kat <horngirl at gmail.com>
> > Cc: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [Chat] Wool BOF
> >
> > Yay! Count me in please!
> >
> > Any locals reading this with recommendations?
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with
> up
> > to 4 others.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <
> > chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to
> >> at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> >> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>>
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From john at johndalton.info  Thu Jan 19 23:02:02 2017
From: john at johndalton.info (John Dalton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:02:02 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Webdev42 meetup Wednesday
In-Reply-To: <B3400763-7490-4765-88E2-351A72FDBD43@gmail.com>
References: <B3400763-7490-4765-88E2-351A72FDBD43@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABFxdF2J1Q+wKkr1+ufNY9TTzO4+MMqCaz4sywrhTYQ-6Q8Vww@mail.gmail.com>

I endorse this group! We'd love to see anyone from LCA turn up, and if you
feel like talking about anything even tangentially web-related (even a
lightning talk) then this would be a friendly audience.

J.


On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:40 PM Kris Howard via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> If any of you are still around Wednesday, the local Hobart user group
> Webdev42 is having a meetup: http://web.dev42.co/  I met the organiser
> David (from Biteable) tonight and they sound like a friendly group. Also
> looking for speakers if anyone wants to give a talk!
>
> Kris
> _______________________________________________
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> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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From mikal at stillhq.com  Fri Jan 20 05:43:57 2017
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 05:43:57 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF - Day 5,
 Friday morning - Easy with some sandy bay beach running
In-Reply-To: <20170119043114.GP11546@svana.org>
References: <20170119043114.GP11546@svana.org>
Message-ID: <CAEd1pt7RK+aZrS3feyAoVT7ZNntfoEkdNE9cz8m3zPLOx3qJEA@mail.gmail.com>

I am wimping out because it's raining. You're welcome.

Michael




On Jan 19, 2017 4:39 PM, "Steven Hanley via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> All
>
> So tomorrow to finsih the beach showing off the pretty area we are
> conferencing in and to hope a few more people join in the morning run fun.
> Lets run along the sand around the point of the Sandy Bay sailing club.
>
> Normal start point at the bottom of the hill at Residences (College Rd,
> French St) at 6am. Head down through the uni to Sandy Bay Rd, past Wrest
> Point at 6:15am if anyone down that way was to join us and keep heading
> along Sandy Bay rd until the lane that takes us to the beach after the
> first
> 20 or so houses. Run along the beach around the point into some of the
> parks.
>
> Probably turn around and ocme back that way as beaches are flat and have
> pretty views.
>
> Back past Wrest point on the return (likely only 4km return from Wrest
> point
> at that point) and then make our way back up the hill for those returning
> to
> the colleges.
>
> Hopefully get a good turn out and enjoy the morning (and if the rain waits
> to settle in until after we are done all the bettter).
>
> Fun will be had and all that.
>
> See all you runner types there, pace is inclusive to all who want to get
> out
> and enjoy the morning with us.
>
>         See You
>             Steve
>
> --
> Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
> this vague little smile is my all-purpose expression
> the meaning of which i will leave to your discretion
>    Phase - Evolve - Ani
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From jwoithe at atrad.com.au  Fri Jan 20 07:43:28 2017
From: jwoithe at atrad.com.au (Jonathan Woithe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:13:28 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Shared taxi to airport at 1000 Saturday from uni
 residences?
In-Reply-To: <20170119092143.GA14967@marvin.atrad.com.au>
References: <20170119092143.GA14967@marvin.atrad.com.au>
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 07:51:43PM +1030, Jonathan Woithe wrote:
> I'm thinking of heading to the airport at around 1000 from the uni
> accommodation on Saturday.  Is anyone interested in sharing a taxi
> at that time?

FYI we have three people for this now so with luggage it is full.

Regards
  jonathan

From adam at adamharvey.name  Fri Jan 20 07:44:24 2017
From: adam at adamharvey.name (Adam Harvey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:44:24 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADajX4Bte03_EsJKemYy6=M7j5YcFWrqMk1ZJjCjCXWYk6tcDA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone who came to the UnPDNS! It was a beautiful evening
in the park, many sausages and burgers were devoured, and
unprofessional networking took place, including networking both on the
seesaw and with canine unprofessionals.

Not only did we cover our costs, but we made a profit of $136, which
will be donated to the conference charity of Outreachy.

Special thanks to our cooking dream team of Daniel Sobey and Julien
Goodwin, and to David Cottrell for letting us borrow his esky to keep
the food (and some drinks!) cold.

Stay unprofessional!

Adam, unorganiser

On 16 January 2017 at 17:38, Adam Harvey <adam at adamharvey.name> wrote:
> We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first ever
> Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU Refectory
> and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA, except for the
> ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not just unprofessional in
> name.)
>
> Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let that
> stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly, eating the
> finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.
>
> Here's what you need to know:
>
> PLACE: Errol Flynn Reserve (search for "Short Beach" on Google Maps, as it
> doesn't know the real name for some reason)
> TIME: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
> PRICE: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
> dietary requirements when signing up); we will not be selling drinks this
> year
> SIGNUPS: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ? all
> welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get additional
> barbecue space
>
> Things that we could use help with:
>
> Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
> products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend us an
> esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch if you can
> help with either!
>
> Drinks?
>
> We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ includes a map of your options
> to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park. Tasmanian law[0]
> permits responsible consumption of alcohol in most parks outside of central
> Hobart (including the one we're using), but please remember that you will be
> subject to Tasmania's laws around public intoxication. Save the whisk(e)y
> for the whisk(e)y BOF.
>
> Hope to see you all there!
>
> Adam, unprofessional unorganiser
>
> PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park has a
> lot of grass.
>
> [0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?

From dns at dns.id.au  Fri Jan 20 07:49:41 2017
From: dns at dns.id.au (Daniel Sobey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:49:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing party BOF - 10:40 Wellington room 2
Message-ID: <CAAphvGr5Xe1sXPedZQfaLykUOX8aqf0+VBeDD3ppQ45nGsocXQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Hash: SHA512

Hello Everyone,

Key signing party is today at 10:40AM (first session after the key note) in
Wellington room 2.
Please bring your photo id and a pen.

Unfortunately the website you submitted your keys https://keysigning.xyz is
offline.
This is because the website was hosted on a machine at home and there is
currently a power outage there.
Last night in adelaide there was a storm and unfortunately my house has no
power.

I did make a backup of the key ring last night so I do have all the keys
that were submitted.
Please go to https://dozer.dns.id.au/ and see your fingerprints.
The key ring can be downloaded from
https://dozer.dns.id.au/keysigning.xyz.txt

MD5SUM    = 9b1ede6d9df847aa8551edf84d51d159
SHA1SUM   = a799816dc0ccaba4181bd10ef730ba1bee2a7ee8
SHA256SUM = 8315bc6fe40e3bca6ae966eebc847f14ef936989aabc6dfa61ff4df49d46ba9c
SHA512SUM =
61306ec787ca0b55902d221ae377489b72d5e376918a3ef1296c6794677f27825f263cc2cff7daf1667a0022c2656ecfae1930283c8c5dd11e11b9c62a4620a3
Sorry for the inconveniance.

Regards,

Daniel Sobey
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From allman at google.com  Fri Jan 20 07:56:56 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:56:56 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Paper boarding pass required at Melbourne airport
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg3QkuwRBD7xc=1DAto05=G5hTCiNMQJ0piLMwojSZ=iUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACDwxg3QkuwRBD7xc=1DAto05=G5hTCiNMQJ0piLMwojSZ=iUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACDwxg3b7WJu8XzE+hFhuoaDf+-CPg17xQfchs8=XosPbrCv2Q@mail.gmail.com>

At least at international security. Don't be surprised like I was.

Thank you all for a fabulous LCA. :-)

Cat
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From relwalretep at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 08:00:55 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:00:55 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Running BoF - Day 5,
 Friday morning - Easy with some sandy bay beach running
In-Reply-To: <CAEd1pt7RK+aZrS3feyAoVT7ZNntfoEkdNE9cz8m3zPLOx3qJEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170119043114.GP11546@svana.org>
 <CAEd1pt7RK+aZrS3feyAoVT7ZNntfoEkdNE9cz8m3zPLOx3qJEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <321dcddd-e3b8-778d-ad49-67e5b73db8ee@gmail.com>

This isn't rain. You want rain, come back in August and the rain is 
horizontal :P

P.

On 20/01/17 05:43, Michael Still via Chat wrote:
> I am wimping out because it's raining. You're welcome.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2017 4:39 PM, "Steven Hanley via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> All
>>
>> So tomorrow to finsih the beach showing off the pretty area we are
>> conferencing in and to hope a few more people join in the morning run fun.
>> Lets run along the sand around the point of the Sandy Bay sailing club.
>>
>> Normal start point at the bottom of the hill at Residences (College Rd,
>> French St) at 6am. Head down through the uni to Sandy Bay Rd, past Wrest
>> Point at 6:15am if anyone down that way was to join us and keep heading
>> along Sandy Bay rd until the lane that takes us to the beach after the
>> first
>> 20 or so houses. Run along the beach around the point into some of the
>> parks.
>>
>> Probably turn around and ocme back that way as beaches are flat and have
>> pretty views.
>>
>> Back past Wrest point on the return (likely only 4km return from Wrest
>> point
>> at that point) and then make our way back up the hill for those returning
>> to
>> the colleges.
>>
>> Hopefully get a good turn out and enjoy the morning (and if the rain waits
>> to settle in until after we are done all the bettter).
>>
>> Fun will be had and all that.
>>
>> See all you runner types there, pace is inclusive to all who want to get
>> out
>> and enjoy the morning with us.
>>
>>         See You
>>             Steve
>>
>> --
>> Steven Hanley sjh at svana.org http://svana.org/sjh/diary
>> this vague little smile is my all-purpose expression
>> the meaning of which i will leave to your discretion
>>    Phase - Evolve - Ani
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>
>
>
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From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Fri Jan 20 08:52:21 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:52:21 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Update on lightning talk slides
Message-ID: <a4ea8939a2ee0e193b1606ba4a1ad378@scriptforge.org>

Hi everyone,

Those doing lightning talks - I have updated the info page on the wiki 
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/lightning_talks/

Essentially you will be doing the slideshow from YOUR OWN laptop and not 
sending the slides to us. The lightning talk speakers will alternate 
between the two lecterns on the state in the Plenary hall, so while a 
lightning talk is in progress the next speaker will have that time to 
set up their laptop and have it ready to go.


-- 
--
Scott Bragg


From russell at coker.com.au  Fri Jan 20 08:53:15 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:53:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] SE Linux stuff
Message-ID: <1855555.lsm6CWrq81@russell.coker.com.au>

I heard that someone was wearing a https://stopdisablingselinux.com/ shirt.  
I'd like to meet them and anyone else who's interested in SE Linux.  If you 
want to meet up and have trouble finding me my twitter address is @etbe.

http://selinux.coker.com.au/play.html

My SE Linux Play Machine is online, running Debian/Testing with usrmerge, feel 
free to check it out.  If you use Debian then please file bug reports about 
anything that doesn't work with SE Linux in Testing.

-- 
My Main Blog         http://etbe.coker.com.au/
My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/


From sellis at redhat.com  Fri Jan 20 09:12:14 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:12:14 +1100
Subject: [Chat] jobs bof time/date?
In-Reply-To: <CABLbxQ2CgpyuyGYfmexrRJRysB7hGYUnQbbvWV==gv1Tr+kH0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59977a2b-796a-d227-19eb-68c079778e13@kgoetz.id.au>
 <CABLbxQ1GnswUVbQ=73AGpSsevL5cCuapHjqT0g5=8oNktTq91Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ3oyi4eSEFdcOyd+UOb6s3H=Gyxje2x6UcyFpzabaR83Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ2SdF=7PVf41htFJ9noOpeobd=mO+7TmEhExqE8ZNF7PA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHo11d6L6pj=qdEZ=sjkwCHfx4xK0n8h-spWbPTLavHNMwQ+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABLbxQ2CgpyuyGYfmexrRJRysB7hGYUnQbbvWV==gv1Tr+kH0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABLbxQ0BM7Lc17w66J+orbOONNEA1ZEKdrLbPhSuQGcS=FiQ_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder that the jobs BoF will be in the Boardwalk Gallery at lunchtime
today

On 19/01/2017 7:56 AM, "Steven Ellis" <sellis at redhat.com> wrote:

> I've now updated the schedule at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/
> conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/
>
> The Jobs BoF will be held in the boardwalk gallery (downstairs near rego)
> from 12:20 (ish). Probably 12:30 so you can quickly grab a plate for lunch.
>
> Steve
>
> On 17 January 2017 at 15:02, Andrew Kirkpatrick <ubermonk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Works for me.
>>
>> On 17 January 2017 at 10:28, Steven Ellis via Chat
>> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> > Looks like my email didn't make it to the list.
>> >
>> > How does Friday lunch time suit everyone?
>> >
>> > On 17/01/2017 10:22 AM, "Karl Goetz via Chat"
>> > <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > Is there a tine/date set for this? I'm not sure who is organising
>> > either... is there an organiser?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > kk
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chat mailing list
>> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chat mailing list
>> > Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> > http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Steven Ellis
> Senior Solution Architect - Red Hat New Zealand <http://www.redhat.co.nz/>
> *T:* +64 9 887 3207
> *M:* +64 21 321 673 <+64%2021%20321%20673>
> *E:* sellis at redhat.com
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From stewart at flamingspork.com  Fri Jan 20 09:13:07 2017
From: stewart at flamingspork.com (Stewart Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:13:07 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Books recommended in Organisational Change: Challenges in
 shipping open source firmware
Message-ID: <563C74C3-F39B-4BEE-BBE8-A329FA218C4E@flamingspork.com>

Due to a never before seen bug in pinpoint, my final slide ended up being small text in an Emacs buffer.... Since that may not be ideal, I've blogged the list and sending it here. 

All of these are available as Kindle books, but I?m sure you can get 3D copies too:

The Five Dysfunctions of a Team: A Leadership Fable by Patrick M. Lencioni

Leading Change by John P. Kotter

Who Says Elephants Can?t Dance? Louis V. Gerstner Jr.

Nonviolent Communication: A language of Life by Marshall B. Rosenberg and Arun Gandhi

From mattcen+linuxconfau at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 09:32:42 2017
From: mattcen+linuxconfau at gmail.com (Matthew Cengia)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:32:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Friday lunch chat: Lessons learned from non-monogamy
In-Reply-To: <20170119032423.GA82219@isis.local>
References: <20170119032423.GA82219@isis.local>
Message-ID: <20170119223240.GA89869@isis.local>

Moving this discussion and the Queer BoF to the windows between rego
desk and Boardwalk Gallery.

On 2017-01-19 14:24, Matthew Cengia wrote:
> [resending from correct address]
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Tl;dr: Friday 12:30 (lunch) on lawn where penguin dinner was: discussion/chat of non-monogamy and polyamory, and their benefits, including improved communication skills.
> 
> Long version
> 
> During the session on non-violent communication season of the Community Leadership Summit on Tuesday, I mentioned that I help facilitate discussion groups on non-monogamy, where fascinating lessons can be learned such as clear, direct and non-violent communication.
> 
> Since then, I've had a couple of people come and ask me to elaborate on my experience on non-monogamy (or more specifically polyamory; "many loves") so I thought I'd offer the opportunity to discuss this during lunch on Friday. I intend to be eating lunch with or near the queer BoF on the lawn where the penguin dinner was on Wednesday at 12:30 Friday if anyone is interested in quizzing me or having a chat. I welcome all questions, nothing too private or taboo, though I may politely decline to answer very few of them, and we must be mindful of the conference CoC.
> -- 
> Matthew Cengia

-- 
Regards,
Matthew Cengia

From mattcen+linuxconfau at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 09:34:47 2017
From: mattcen+linuxconfau at gmail.com (Matthew Cengia)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:34:47 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Tuesday (and ongoing) Lunch
In-Reply-To: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.74566B3C-F1CA-412F-A4EC-0916CB28CAA2@mail.outlook.com>
References: <6CA136D910A8A7CE.74566B3C-F1CA-412F-A4EC-0916CB28CAA2@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <20170119223445.GB89869@isis.local>

Moving this discussion and the Queer BoF to the windows between rego
desk and Boardwalk Gallery.

On 2017-01-17 11:06, Dan Hawke via Chat wrote:
> Same time, same place (for those that didn't come yesterday, details below :))
> This will be a daily event for the rest of the week
> 
>  - Dan
> 
> 		_____________________________
> From: Dan Hawke via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:37
> Subject: [Chat] Queer BoF: Monday Lunch
> To:  <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> 
> 
> Hi all, for those that wish to enjoy the catered lunch in a group, please come along to the Queer BoF Monday "soft launch" at lunchtime - by the fountain at the entrance to the grassy area. Grab some lunch and come along approx 12:30pm. https://goo.gl/maps/om6jxh3ZtLqIf coming from upstairs, turn left after onyx bar, follow signs for boardwalk.
> Lat, Long: -42.9019,147.3377
> If you haven't read this yet, please do:https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/queer_bof/
> 
>  - Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 	

> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


-- 
Regards,
Matthew Cengia

From madduck at madduck.net  Fri Jan 20 09:40:14 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:40:14 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Update on lightning talk slides
In-Reply-To: <a4ea8939a2ee0e193b1606ba4a1ad378@scriptforge.org>
References: <a4ea8939a2ee0e193b1606ba4a1ad378@scriptforge.org>
Message-ID: <20170119224014.gaheh7ysc7gi4h43@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

also sprach Scott Bragg via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> [2017-01-20 08:52 +1100]:
> Essentially you will be doing the slideshow from YOUR OWN laptop
> and not sending the slides to us.

The wiki says that an HDMI connector is required. Does anyone have
a mini-DP to HDMI adapter? I'm probably not the only one who'll need
this for the lightning talks, and with the two lecterns, it'd
actually be best to have *two*.

If you have one that you could lend, please speak up.

-- 
@martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
 
kill ugly radio
                                                      -- frank zappa
 
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
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From stewart at flamingspork.com  Fri Jan 20 09:55:28 2017
From: stewart at flamingspork.com (Stewart Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:55:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Charger for Nikon D7000 -- EL15 battery?
Message-ID: <F8FD8C16-3499-4419-AB68-659DD20806B1@flamingspork.com>

Does anyone have one of the above at the conference that I may be able to utilise this afternoon to get some charge into said battery?

From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Fri Jan 20 10:00:26 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:00:26 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Radio Miniconf wiki page
Message-ID: <3a77df22993fcf767d02ed8e8cd9f60f@scriptforge.org>

Hi,

I've posted a page on the wiki with the Open Radio miniconf slides and 
the videos that have been updated so far.

The URL is here: 
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/miniconfs/open-radio-miniconf/

Thanks for all who came along!

-- 
--
Scott Bragg


From simon at darkmere.gen.nz  Fri Jan 20 10:28:56 2017
From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:28:56 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Miniconfs BOF - Friday Lunchtime
Message-ID: <c26e5d4e-033b-4ed2-aa2a-145e5ebf22d3@darkmere.gen.nz>

Just a reminder that this will be on. We will be in Tasman A and start a 
few minutes into the lunch break (to give people time to grab some food)




Simon Lyall | simon at darkmere.gen.nz | http://simonlyall.com
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From ivan.brawley at flinders.edu.au  Fri Jan 20 10:35:05 2017
From: ivan.brawley at flinders.edu.au (Ivan Brawley)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:35:05 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Shared taxi to airport at 0800 Saturday from uni residences?
Message-ID: <46FF1505-CEE5-4D19-9698-FEB96D8048E3@flinders.edu.au>

Anyone keen on sharing taxi at around 08:00 on Saturday from uni accommodation to the airport?


ivan.
--
Ivan Brawley

From ryan.verner at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:58:37 2017
From: ryan.verner at gmail.com (Ryan Verner)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:58:37 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Update on lightning talk slides
In-Reply-To: <20170119224014.gaheh7ysc7gi4h43@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <a4ea8939a2ee0e193b1606ba4a1ad378@scriptforge.org>
 <20170119224014.gaheh7ysc7gi4h43@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <CAKXXGe1UJ=72hWTaz=Yzc7a9NBR9Yiha9HbixR-JskNOw5wmbw@mail.gmail.com>

We'll have mini-DP adapters for the lightning talks.  Just please don't
accidentally run off with them after your presentation :)

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 9:40 AM, martin f krafft via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> also sprach Scott Bragg via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
> [2017-01-20 08:52 +1100]:
> > Essentially you will be doing the slideshow from YOUR OWN laptop
> > and not sending the slides to us.
>
> The wiki says that an HDMI connector is required. Does anyone have
> a mini-DP to HDMI adapter? I'm probably not the only one who'll need
> this for the lightning talks, and with the two lecterns, it'd
> actually be best to have *two*.
>
> If you have one that you could lend, please speak up.
>
> --
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
>
> kill ugly radio
>                                                       -- frank zappa
>
> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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From joel at addison.net.au  Fri Jan 20 11:17:57 2017
From: joel at addison.net.au (Joel Addison)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:17:57 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Update on lightning talk slides
In-Reply-To: <20170119224014.gaheh7ysc7gi4h43@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
References: <a4ea8939a2ee0e193b1606ba4a1ad378@scriptforge.org>
 <20170119224014.gaheh7ysc7gi4h43@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <BD65268A-19D3-4402-B1CC-2B9932DE39EF@addison.net.au>

If you don?t have a mini-DP to HDMI adaptor, there will be one on the podium for you to use, provided by the AV team.

> On 20 Jan 2017, at 9:40 am, martin f krafft via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> also sprach Scott Bragg via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> [2017-01-20 08:52 +1100]:
>> Essentially you will be doing the slideshow from YOUR OWN laptop
>> and not sending the slides to us.
> 
> The wiki says that an HDMI connector is required. Does anyone have
> a mini-DP to HDMI adapter? I'm probably not the only one who'll need
> this for the lightning talks, and with the two lecterns, it'd
> actually be best to have *two*.
> 
> If you have one that you could lend, please speak up.
> 
> -- 
> @martinkrafft | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/
> 
> kill ugly radio
>                                                      -- frank zappa
> 
> spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


From mithro at mithis.com  Fri Jan 20 11:38:09 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:38:09 +1100
Subject: [Chat] I'm Tomu - A tiny ARM microprocessor which fits *inside*
 your USB port (for U2F or other tasks)
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHLUNMztrbOBcYuOcmdJ7aWJerPux18X=CsdEO4QP0renNGwLw@mail.gmail.com>

I still have ~25 Tomu boards left and will be around until the LCA2017
closing.  I'll be in the MicroPython on FPGA BOF (
https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_sessions/micropython_on_FPGAs/)
and giving a lightning talk at the closing.

Last chance to get your preconstructed Tomu! Send pull request or $10 AUD
to get one.

Tim 'mithro' Ansell

On 17 January 2017 at 17:28, Tim Ansell <mithro at mithis.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> As mention in Rob's U2F talk and demonstrated at the Open Hardware
> Miniconf, I'd like to introduce yet another of the too many projects
> <https://j.mp/timtoomany> I'm involved.
>
> Tomu <https://tomu.im/> is a tiny ARM microprocessor which fits **inside**
> your USB port. I have ~100 of the devices here and want to give you one!
>
> At the moment, the big missing part of the project is the software. Hence,
> I'm very interested in getting the device into people's hands so we can get
> some. If you contribute to the project in some way *I will give you one
> for free. *Non-coding contributions are also encouraged, I'd love a logo
> and fixing my horrible documentation :-P
>
> The Tomu design is fully open source (AU000001
> <http://certificate.oshwa.org/certification-directory/>), has a BOM of
> ~$USD10 (in individual quantities) and is constructible by (semi-skilled)
> hobbyists! It was designed to potentially be used for 2-factor
> authentication but could be used for anything else you can think of (USB
> indicator, USB OTP, other?).
>
> The ARM processor has the following specs;
>  * 25MHz ARM Cortex-M0+
>  * 8kb RAM / 64kb Flash
>  * USB 2.0
>
> (There is also a "plus" version which has 48MHz, 32kb RAM, 256kb flash,
> but I haven't made a large amounts yet..)
>
> You can get to the slides of my lightning talk at
> https://j.mp/tomu-lca2017 and the website for the project is tomu.im, all
> the code and design is at https://github.com/im-tomu
>
> There is also one small snag, I need to load a modified bootloader and
> example firmware onto the 100 boards via ARM 2-wire and could use some help
> with doing that.
>
> Love to hear everyone's thoughts and see what people do with the Tomu
> board!
>
> Tim 'mithro' Ansell
>
>
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From elvis at dogonfire.com  Fri Jan 20 13:01:18 2017
From: elvis at dogonfire.com (elvis)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:01:18 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session
In-Reply-To: <CADajX4Bte03_EsJKemYy6=M7j5YcFWrqMk1ZJjCjCXWYk6tcDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADajX4DMUzPpgn6huuEfzz+fx8LhjkC3yS8P=-m3mw+N+4YETA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADajX4Bte03_EsJKemYy6=M7j5YcFWrqMk1ZJjCjCXWYk6tcDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61b49a5c-e796-101d-1803-91fc58d4b88b@dogonfire.com>

Thanks for unorganising this Adam, had a great time. Sorry for top posting


On 20/01/17 07:44, Adam Harvey via Chat wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who came to the UnPDNS! It was a beautiful evening
> in the park, many sausages and burgers were devoured, and
> unprofessional networking took place, including networking both on the
> seesaw and with canine unprofessionals.
>
> Not only did we cover our costs, but we made a profit of $136, which
> will be donated to the conference charity of Outreachy.
>
> Special thanks to our cooking dream team of Daniel Sobey and Julien
> Goodwin, and to David Cottrell for letting us borrow his esky to keep
> the food (and some drinks!) cold.
>
> Stay unprofessional!
>
> Adam, unorganiser
>
> On 16 January 2017 at 17:38, Adam Harvey <adam at adamharvey.name> wrote:
>> We're back where it all started! Eight years ago, in Hobart, the first ever
>> Unprofessional Delegates Networking Session was held at the TUU Refectory
>> and the Uni Bar. Since then, it has been held at every LCA, except for the
>> ones where we couldn't be bothered. (Hey, we're not just unprofessional in
>> name.)
>>
>> Even though the PDNS has already happened (kind of), we shouldn't let that
>> stop us celebrating our unprofessionality! And, most importantly, eating the
>> finest cuisine we can get for gold coins from Coles.
>>
>> Here's what you need to know:
>>
>> PLACE: Errol Flynn Reserve (search for "Short Beach" on Google Maps, as it
>> doesn't know the real name for some reason)
>> TIME: Thursday, starting at 6 pm
>> PRICE: $5 for food (by default, sausages/patties in bread; please note
>> dietary requirements when signing up); we will not be selling drinks this
>> year
>> SIGNUPS: on the wiki at https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/unpdns/ ? all
>> welcome, but we may cap attendance at around 100 if we can't get additional
>> barbecue space
>>
>> Things that we could use help with:
>>
>> Beyond roping people into flipping and turning meat and non-meat based
>> products on the day, it would be amazing if a local or two could lend us an
>> esky and an additional barbecue on Thursday. Please get in touch if you can
>> help with either!
>>
>> Drinks?
>>
>> We won't be selling drinks this year. The FAQ includes a map of your options
>> to purchase liquid refreshments en route to the park. Tasmanian law[0]
>> permits responsible consumption of alcohol in most parks outside of central
>> Hobart (including the one we're using), but please remember that you will be
>> subject to Tasmania's laws around public intoxication. Save the whisk(e)y
>> for the whisk(e)y BOF.
>>
>> Hope to see you all there!
>>
>> Adam, unprofessional unorganiser
>>
>> PS: Someone should bring some tennis balls and a cricket bat. The park has a
>> lot of grass.
>>
>> [0] I'm not a lawyer, but Google wouldn't lie to me, right?
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From ivan.brawley at flinders.edu.au  Fri Jan 20 13:05:34 2017
From: ivan.brawley at flinders.edu.au (Ivan Brawley)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:05:34 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Shared taxi to airport at 0800 Saturday from uni
 residences?
In-Reply-To: <46FF1505-CEE5-4D19-9698-FEB96D8048E3@flinders.edu.au>
References: <46FF1505-CEE5-4D19-9698-FEB96D8048E3@flinders.edu.au>
Message-ID: <82C29053-084F-4462-B002-F2A6908458CD@flinders.edu.au>

Thanks to a couple quick replies, this taxi is now full enough.



On 20 January 2017 10:35:05 AM AEDT, Ivan Brawley via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>Anyone keen on sharing taxi at around 08:00 on Saturday from uni
>accommodation to the airport?
>
>
>ivan.
>--
>Ivan Brawley
>_______________________________________________
>Chat mailing list
>Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

ivan.
--
Ivan Brawley

From angus at espressif.com  Fri Jan 20 13:28:41 2017
From: angus at espressif.com (Angus Gratton)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:28:41 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Miniconf - IoTuz progress
Message-ID: <93924f25-c3a3-fae1-eeea-525f5aa98183@espressif.com>

Hi,

For anyone who joined in for Open Hardware Miniconf assembly project on 
Tuesday, there are some updates:

- The crashes that some people were seeing on the day are now solved 
(thx Jan!), if you "git pull" the firmware and re-compile, things should 
be OK.

- Some additional hardware support (colourful LEDs!) has also been added 
to the IoTuz firmware.

- Some people have Micropython up and running, which is awesome..

- The "test" Arduino sketches in the IoTuz hardware repository have some 
additions. Marc Merlin a bunch of new things working in Arduino, 
including the touchscreen.


For further discussion, please join the OHMC mailing list:

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/open-hardware-conf

For more info about Iotuz, jump off from the links near the top of this 
page:

https://github.com/CCHS-Melbourne/iotuz-esp32-hardware/wiki

Cheers,


Angus



From deb at eximiousproductions.com  Fri Jan 20 13:38:29 2017
From: deb at eximiousproductions.com (Deb Nicholson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 02:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Go see animals tomorrow?
Message-ID: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Curious if anyone would like to head out to wildlife park tomorrow?

http://bonorong.com.au/

It's approximately 30 minutes away by car or maybe we could hire a tour
vehicle.

I'd also be open to other animal opportunities in town.

Cheers,
Deb
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From willy6545 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 13:39:43 2017
From: willy6545 at gmail.com (Matthew Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:39:43 -0500
Subject: [Chat] Taxi to airport at 6:30 on Saturday
In-Reply-To: <CAFhKne9PejMe5Q8oseCcRfUqd35Ukq-SgYzqt-Hm7BT=fKNpxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Just to one-up the previous collaboration request, my flight's at 08:25, so
I think a taxi at 6:30 should get us there in time. I see a couple of other
names on the wiki.

Oh, I'm at the uni residence in case that matters. I can wander down to
Wrest Point if that makes things easier.
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From pwarren at pwarren.id.au  Fri Jan 20 13:42:28 2017
From: pwarren at pwarren.id.au (Paul Warren)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:42:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Somewhere further afield for dinner tonight?
Message-ID: <a1f70b56-0aee-f4be-3a51-adaec5f52f72@pwarren.id.au>

I'm wanting to go a bit further afield for dinner tonight, I'm thinking
of going to Petty Sessions. http://www.pettysessions.com.au/

If you're up for an adventure, or have a better suggestion for where to
go, do let me know! pwarren at pwarren.id.au for email or @pawarren on the
twitters!

Cheers
--
Paul

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From jsbragg at scriptforge.org  Fri Jan 20 13:52:38 2017
From: jsbragg at scriptforge.org (Scott Bragg)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:52:38 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Go see animals tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <af084f81a2eaf43ae0df1edecd9f1991@scriptforge.org>

Hi Deb, 

Another suggestion is ZooDoo http://zoodoo.com.au/ which is also about
30 min by vehicle 

On 2017-01-20 13:38, Deb Nicholson via Chat wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Curious if anyone would like to head out to wildlife park tomorrow?  
> 
> http://bonorong.com.au/ 
> 
> It's approximately 30 minutes away by car or maybe we could hire a tour vehicle.   
> 
> I'd also be open to other animal opportunities in town.   
> 
> Cheers,  
> Deb  
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

-- 
--
Scott Bragg
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From sginnane at yahoo.com.au  Fri Jan 20 14:02:06 2017
From: sginnane at yahoo.com.au (sginnane at yahoo.com.au)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:02:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Chat] Charger for Nikon D7000 -- EL15 battery?
In-Reply-To: <F8FD8C16-3499-4419-AB68-659DD20806B1@flamingspork.com>
References: <F8FD8C16-3499-4419-AB68-659DD20806B1@flamingspork.com>
Message-ID: <460762492.139869.1484881326298@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a spare you can borrow - look for the fella with the broken band on his leather Aussie hat.
Just heading back to the centre now from UTas.
Shane ...

 
      From: Stewart Smith via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
 To: Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> 
 Sent: Friday, 20 January 2017, 8:55
 Subject: [Chat] Charger for Nikon D7000 -- EL15 battery?
   
Does anyone have one of the above at the conference that I may be able to utilise this afternoon to get some charge into said battery?
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From mark at colmiga.org  Fri Jan 20 14:06:41 2017
From: mark at colmiga.org (Mark Ellem)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:06:41 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Go see animals tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1484881601.2855.1.camel@colmiga.org>

Hi Deb,

When I was in Hobart for LCA2009 there was a bus from Wrest Point to
one of these wildlife parks.

I'd suggest checking at Wrest Point reception as they may have more
info on this.

Mark.

On Fri, 2017-01-20 at 02:38 +0000, Deb Nicholson via Chat wrote:
> Hi all,
> Curious if anyone would like to head out to wildlife park tomorrow??
> 
> http://bonorong.com.au/
> 
> It's approximately 30 minutes away by car or maybe we could hire a
> tour vehicle. ?
> 
> I'd also be open to other animal opportunities in town. ?
> 
> Cheers,?
> Deb?
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

From lyz at princessleia.com  Fri Jan 20 14:31:32 2017
From: lyz at princessleia.com (Elizabeth K. Joseph)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:31:32 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Go see animals tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE3dWx8B-voFBvbmZQ-VP0728Joui87Ga659rmF4vYCy=g31dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABesOu2SpjpRiDu-LY7Qf+CUcCB9h0OBe-pPQi2-uxLjnX1htQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Deb Nicholson via Chat
<chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Curious if anyone would like to head out to wildlife park tomorrow?
>
> http://bonorong.com.au/

I went on Sunday and had a really nice time, most (all?) of the
animals are all rescues and they do a lot of rehabilitation so I felt
good about visiting too. The daily tour that comes with admission
gives you the chance pet a baby wombat, so I recommend making sure
you're there during one of those :)
http://bonorong.com.au/daily-tours/

-- 
Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2

From pwarren at pwarren.id.au  Fri Jan 20 14:59:33 2017
From: pwarren at pwarren.id.au (Paul Warren)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:59:33 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Somewhere further afield for dinner tonight?
In-Reply-To: <a1f70b56-0aee-f4be-3a51-adaec5f52f72@pwarren.id.au>
References: <a1f70b56-0aee-f4be-3a51-adaec5f52f72@pwarren.id.au>
Message-ID: <d7547aab-7722-0b05-1524-fb4218b1968f@pwarren.id.au>

Will hang around near the rego desk till ~17:40.

On 20/01/17 13:42, Paul Warren via Chat wrote:
> I'm wanting to go a bit further afield for dinner tonight, I'm thinking
> of going to Petty Sessions. http://www.pettysessions.com.au/
> 
> If you're up for an adventure, or have a better suggestion for where to
> go, do let me know! pwarren at pwarren.id.au for email or @pawarren on the
> twitters!
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 

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From robert at powersconsulting.com.au  Fri Jan 20 15:47:15 2017
From: robert at powersconsulting.com.au (Robert Powers)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:47:15 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Open Hardware Miniconf - IoTuz progress
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References: <93924f25-c3a3-fae1-eeea-525f5aa98183@espressif.com>
Message-ID: <CA+KRtjj1npMw+0ckGv2-De_O-V6_wHJoQY1PPWrnv6PB8GUi8Q@mail.gmail.com>

We have **just**, got our long awaited speakers. If anyone wants to pick
one up, I'll be around the rego desk boardwalk area following closing &
lightning talks.

Cheers,
Bob

On 20 Jan 2017 2:26 pm, "Angus Gratton via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For anyone who joined in for Open Hardware Miniconf assembly project on
> Tuesday, there are some updates:
>
> - The crashes that some people were seeing on the day are now solved (thx
> Jan!), if you "git pull" the firmware and re-compile, things should be OK.
>
> - Some additional hardware support (colourful LEDs!) has also been added
> to the IoTuz firmware.
>
> - Some people have Micropython up and running, which is awesome..
>
> - The "test" Arduino sketches in the IoTuz hardware repository have some
> additions. Marc Merlin a bunch of new things working in Arduino, including
> the touchscreen.
>
>
> For further discussion, please join the OHMC mailing list:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/open-hardware-conf
>
> For more info about Iotuz, jump off from the links near the top of this
> page:
>
> https://github.com/CCHS-Melbourne/iotuz-esp32-hardware/wiki
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Angus
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From russell at coker.com.au  Fri Jan 20 15:48:53 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:48:53 +1100
Subject: [Chat] taxi tonight
Message-ID: <1837254.DozCFFbysx@russell.coker.com.au>

I need to get to the airport some time before 7PM today.  Does anyone want to 
share a taxi?  I need at least 2 other people to make it cheaper than the 
shuttle bus.

You can contact me by email or tweet me as @etbe .

-- 
My Main Blog         http://etbe.coker.com.au/
My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/


From dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au  Fri Jan 20 15:58:28 2017
From: dt-linuxconf at handcraftedcomputers.com.au (Daryl Tester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:58:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] 05:30 taxi to Airport
Message-ID: <588198F4.6000406@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>

Pffft - amateurs.

*My* taxi departs at 5:30 am from (hopefully) the Uni residence for 7 am departure from the airport.

I suspect I may be the only one on the plane, let alone the taxi.  YMMV.

-- 
Regards,
  Daryl Tester
  Handcrafted Computers Pty. Ltd.

From mithro at mithis.com  Fri Jan 20 16:23:13 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:23:13 +1100
Subject: [Chat] I'm Tomu - A tiny ARM microprocessor which fits *inside*
 your USB port (for U2F or other tasks)
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMztrbOBcYuOcmdJ7aWJerPux18X=CsdEO4QP0renNGwLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHLUNMy-L0R4vcHU9Sih0MeLxQK=t0H3eAm7Xp5g9FevGD82ig@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHLUNMx5aDPqNkzm-BPaebkC4kWaLY4GaQPNAEWaQ1mdwwZGEg@mail.gmail.com>

If you have a Tomu board, please sign up to the announcement mailing list
at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tomu-announce/join

I will try and post some welcome instructions to the list next week. It
will include instructions on how to load the USB bootloader and demo
firmware using a RPi, BusPirate or other ARM JTAG hardware.

In the mean time, please do post to the discussion list at
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tomu-discuss/join - join IRC
channel #tomu on Freenode, send pull requests and add stuff to the GitHub
issues and wiki.

Tim 'mithro' Ansell

PS There are about ~10 Tomu boards still available.
PPS There is a small chance we will have a working RPi for programming
right after the conference close in the foyer. Aleksa has been working on
it during the closing.

On 20 Jan. 2017 11:38 am, "Tim Ansell" <mithro at mithis.com> wrote:

> I still have ~25 Tomu boards left and will be around until the LCA2017
> closing.  I'll be in the MicroPython on FPGA BOF (
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_
> sessions/micropython_on_FPGAs/) and giving a lightning talk at the
> closing.
>
> Last chance to get your preconstructed Tomu! Send pull request or $10 AUD
> to get one.
>
> Tim 'mithro' Ansell
>
> On 17 January 2017 at 17:28, Tim Ansell <mithro at mithis.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> As mention in Rob's U2F talk and demonstrated at the Open Hardware
>> Miniconf, I'd like to introduce yet another of the too many projects
>> <https://j.mp/timtoomany> I'm involved.
>>
>> Tomu <https://tomu.im/> is a tiny ARM microprocessor which fits
>> **inside** your USB port. I have ~100 of the devices here and want to
>> give you one!
>>
>> At the moment, the big missing part of the project is the software.
>> Hence, I'm very interested in getting the device into people's hands so we
>> can get some. If you contribute to the project in some way *I will give
>> you one for free. *Non-coding contributions are also encouraged, I'd
>> love a logo and fixing my horrible documentation :-P
>>
>> The Tomu design is fully open source (AU000001
>> <http://certificate.oshwa.org/certification-directory/>), has a BOM of
>> ~$USD10 (in individual quantities) and is constructible by (semi-skilled)
>> hobbyists! It was designed to potentially be used for 2-factor
>> authentication but could be used for anything else you can think of (USB
>> indicator, USB OTP, other?).
>>
>> The ARM processor has the following specs;
>>  * 25MHz ARM Cortex-M0+
>>  * 8kb RAM / 64kb Flash
>>  * USB 2.0
>>
>> (There is also a "plus" version which has 48MHz, 32kb RAM, 256kb flash,
>> but I haven't made a large amounts yet..)
>>
>> You can get to the slides of my lightning talk at
>> https://j.mp/tomu-lca2017 and the website for the project is tomu.im,
>> all the code and design is at https://github.com/im-tomu
>>
>> There is also one small snag, I need to load a modified bootloader and
>> example firmware onto the 100 boards via ARM 2-wire and could use some help
>> with doing that.
>>
>> Love to hear everyone's thoughts and see what people do with the Tomu
>> board!
>>
>> Tim 'mithro' Ansell
>>
>>
>
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From mithro at mithis.com  Fri Jan 20 17:15:34 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:15:34 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Cool & Awesome Projects *YOU* should work on! (Lightning
 Talk Slides)
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMwMS+gfaLsxXvsKK3s=zdaW-zaUyb9vj0MYoQFAQKqjBA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi everyone,

If you missed the URL to my slides for the lighting talk, you can get to
them via https://j.mp/timpro-lca2017 - The slides include links to more
information about various projects.

You can find ouy more about Python on FPGAs by watching the recording of my
Linux.conf.au talk at https://youtu.be/MkVX_mh5dOU

We would love your help! There are plenty of things you can help with even
if you know nothing about hardware. Helping with things like improving the
website, documentation, scripts and even spreading the word are all super
welcome.

Keep up all the awesomeness!

Tim 'mithro' Ansell
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From eternalcat at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 17:17:38 2017
From: eternalcat at gmail.com (David Lord)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:17:38 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Somewhere further afield for dinner tonight?
In-Reply-To: <d7547aab-7722-0b05-1524-fb4218b1968f@pwarren.id.au>
References: <a1f70b56-0aee-f4be-3a51-adaec5f52f72@pwarren.id.au>
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Message-ID: <2C6734C1-B4C9-449E-8542-923398344569@gmail.com>

I?m interested. What were you thinking for transport?

A couple more numbers:
~30 minutes away by car
~$28 main course

> On 20 Jan 2017, at 2:59 pm, Paul Warren via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Will hang around near the rego desk till ~17:40.
> 
> On 20/01/17 13:42, Paul Warren via Chat wrote:
>> I'm wanting to go a bit further afield for dinner tonight, I'm thinking
>> of going to Petty Sessions. http://www.pettysessions.com.au/
>> 
>> If you're up for an adventure, or have a better suggestion for where to
>> go, do let me know! pwarren at pwarren.id.au for email or @pawarren on the
>> twitters!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> --
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat


From pwarren at pwarren.id.au  Fri Jan 20 17:33:28 2017
From: pwarren at pwarren.id.au (Paul Warren)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:33:28 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Somewhere further afield for dinner tonight?
In-Reply-To: <2C6734C1-B4C9-449E-8542-923398344569@gmail.com>
References: <a1f70b56-0aee-f4be-3a51-adaec5f52f72@pwarren.id.au>
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 <2C6734C1-B4C9-449E-8542-923398344569@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37dd40c5-ddd6-2594-f50e-7e75d08de962@pwarren.id.au>

I have a hire car to get there! So we're good for transport!

--
Paul


On 20/01/17 17:17, David Lord wrote:
> I?m interested. What were you thinking for transport?
> 
> A couple more numbers:
> ~30 minutes away by car
> ~$28 main course
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2017, at 2:59 pm, Paul Warren via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> Will hang around near the rego desk till ~17:40.
>>
>> On 20/01/17 13:42, Paul Warren via Chat wrote:
>>> I'm wanting to go a bit further afield for dinner tonight, I'm thinking
>>> of going to Petty Sessions. http://www.pettysessions.com.au/
>>>
>>> If you're up for an adventure, or have a better suggestion for where to
>>> go, do let me know! pwarren at pwarren.id.au for email or @pawarren on the
>>> twitters!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 

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From pwarren at pwarren.id.au  Fri Jan 20 17:44:36 2017
From: pwarren at pwarren.id.au (Paul Warren)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:44:36 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Somewhere further afield for dinner tonight?
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Message-ID: <71878b6b-26e2-e8db-5f59-1c3cfc0e1179@pwarren.id.au>

And obviously, I'll be hanging around after 17:40, seeing as it's past
that now.

Will leave at 18:15 or so.

On 20/01/17 17:17, David Lord wrote:
> I?m interested. What were you thinking for transport?
> 
> A couple more numbers:
> ~30 minutes away by car
> ~$28 main course
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2017, at 2:59 pm, Paul Warren via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> Will hang around near the rego desk till ~17:40.
>>
>> On 20/01/17 13:42, Paul Warren via Chat wrote:
>>> I'm wanting to go a bit further afield for dinner tonight, I'm thinking
>>> of going to Petty Sessions. http://www.pettysessions.com.au/
>>>
>>> If you're up for an adventure, or have a better suggestion for where to
>>> go, do let me know! pwarren at pwarren.id.au for email or @pawarren on the
>>> twitters!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chat mailing list
>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 

From robn at fastmail.com  Fri Jan 20 18:01:55 2017
From: robn at fastmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Rob=20N=20=E2=98=85?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:01:55 +1100
Subject: [Chat] FastMail house thing
Message-ID: <1484895715.1990095.853743608.53B00BAE@webmail.messagingengine.com>

If you're looking for a quiet place to sit and enjoy a chat with some
nice people, we're opening up our house tonight to anyone that would
like to come along.

If you're looking for a big night on the grog, this is not for you. If
you would like a place to sit and chat and have a you quiet ones, it
might be for you.

Reply privately or ping me on Twitter or IRC (@robn) for location.

(fine print: something approximating code of conduct will be enforced.
play nice)

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From tcuthbert90 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 18:32:17 2017
From: tcuthbert90 at gmail.com (Thomas Cuthbert)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:32:17 +1100
Subject: [Chat] 05:30 taxi to Airport
In-Reply-To: <588198F4.6000406@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>
References: <588198F4.6000406@handcraftedcomputers.com.au>
Message-ID: <CA+62q8EwHcnpxh=6LNXwPKb28PSaexof9azYy7GOHGYTJ5Mr2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Daryl,

I am also leaving at 7am. Mind if I hitch a ride?


Regards,

Thomas Cuthbert


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Daryl Tester via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Pffft - amateurs.
>
> *My* taxi departs at 5:30 am from (hopefully) the Uni residence for 7 am
> departure from the airport.
>
> I suspect I may be the only one on the plane, let alone the taxi.  YMMV.
>
> --
> Regards,
>  Daryl Tester
>  Handcrafted Computers Pty. Ltd.
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From p at delfante.it  Fri Jan 20 18:44:52 2017
From: p at delfante.it (Paul Del)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:44:52 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Dinner Salamanca Market
Message-ID: <CANM56ufNoPP0FUmqG3N4woBLnZqYRE9nZb98_uW5jTV12hbBhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone
If your chasing a good place for dinner tonight the Salamanca Market, has
heaps of places to eat and drink.
(Near Salamanca Square)
Cheers Paul

Android from a tiny tiny keyboard
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From david at bell.id.au  Fri Jan 20 19:13:59 2017
From: david at bell.id.au (David Bell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:13:59 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Share taxi Wrest Point -> Hobart Airport 11:00am Saturday
Message-ID: <058A5147-5409-4232-AAA5-F3C0821C7D88@bell.id.au>

Hello!
Would anyone like to split a taxi to the airport tomorrow morning?
Let me know! I'm staying at Wrest Point and planning to check out just before 11am and head to the airport for a 12:50pm flight.
Thanks,
David
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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From kathy at kathyreid.id.au  Fri Jan 20 20:37:29 2017
From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 20:37:29 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Big thanks to all the organisers,
 speakers and volunteers of LCA2017
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From hugh at blemings.org  Fri Jan 20 20:44:57 2017
From: hugh at blemings.org (Hugh Blemings)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 20:44:57 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Big thanks to all the organisers,
 speakers and volunteers of LCA2017
In-Reply-To: <2b6cbe0b-3c18-44c6-9e55-1f7ef3cb8947@email.android.com>
References: <2b6cbe0b-3c18-44c6-9e55-1f7ef3cb8947@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <d5a53a1d-b955-4d18-b344-aea5ae3c3451@blemings.org>

Hiya,

On 20/01/2017 20:37, Kathy Reid via Chat wrote:
> A huge thanks to Chris, the amazing organisers, volunteers and Speakers
> for a brilliant conference. You've done us all very proud. Kudos.

+2 on this and a tip of the hat to the wonderful delegates too - LCA is 
very much an example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts :)

Look forward to seeing ya'll in 2018 if not before :)

Cheers,
Hugh



From p at delfante.it  Fri Jan 20 21:04:29 2017
From: p at delfante.it (Paul Del)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:04:29 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Drinking tonight
Message-ID: <CANM56ufDL3r7778cTXLN50veBbMsnFYDsB1A-JqTpZBLNcEsnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey
Is anyone out Drinking in Hobart tonight?
Cheers Paul
0435 257665

Android from a tiny tiny keyboard
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From lca2017 at libertysys.com.au  Fri Jan 20 22:30:07 2017
From: lca2017 at libertysys.com.au (Paul Gear)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:30:07 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Taxi to airport tomorrow 10:55 JQ758 (Brisbane)
Message-ID: <c6d5429f-b2ef-2775-9fb2-02719606c956@libertysys.com.au>

Anyone want to share a taxi?  Looks like quite a few of us on the flight
- maybe book a maxi-taxi for 9:15 at the uni, and pick up anyone at the
hotel around 9:30?

Paul


From voltagex at voltagex.org  Fri Jan 20 23:10:44 2017
From: voltagex at voltagex.org (Adam Baxter)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:10:44 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Drinking tonight
In-Reply-To: <CANM56ufDL3r7778cTXLN50veBbMsnFYDsB1A-JqTpZBLNcEsnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANM56ufDL3r7778cTXLN50veBbMsnFYDsB1A-JqTpZBLNcEsnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAChFQ9Q2UuftQTyYGydVqiw1nWP5FVcJLyKgkUxk8hu6BOzkoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.

On 20 Jan 2017 21:25, "Paul Del via Chat" <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
wrote:

> Hey
> Is anyone out Drinking in Hobart tonight?
> Cheers Paul
> 0435 257665
>
> Android from a tiny tiny keyboard
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From allman at google.com  Sat Jan 21 03:29:09 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:29:09 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484826291.5880a6b3b6eac@anchor.net.au>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Sorry I missed it, Jill!  I hope everyone had a great time :-)

Cat

On Thursday, January 19, 2017, Jill Rowling via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> With the Wool BOF on Friday lunchtime, you don't have to go to the shop;
> it can
> come to you. Well, in a limited way at any rate.
>
> I'll bring my small selection of alpaca yarns. Shameless plug follows:
> The 100g balls are A$40.00 and the skeins are A$37.00 each. They are more
> expensive than the ones at the shop in Salamanca* but are 100% made in
> Australia
> and the name of the alpaca is on the label. Natural colours, huacaya and
> suri.
> From our herd, spun in an Australian mini mill.
>
> At the wool BOF I'd also like to discuss hacking knitting machines and
> jacquard
> loom attachments which are usually chain programmed although there are some
> closed-source ones around.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jill
>
> * The pretty dyed alpaca in the shop at Salamanca is from Australian white
> huacaya alpaca which has been processed and dyed in New Zealand.
>
> Quoting Justin Thiessen via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> <javascript:;>>:
>
> > If any store recs come out of this would love to hear.  My wife is an
> avid
> > knitter and always looking for more material. ;-)
> >
> > Justin
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2017 10:08, "Monica Wood via Chat" <
> > chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > There is the stash cupboard.  http://www.thestashcupboard.com.au/
> > > Also for tas wool i think there is a place at salamanca... but cant
> > > comment on it as i've not been there
> > >
> > > Monica
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> <javascript:;>>
> > > Date: 18/01/2017 09:53 (GMT+10:00)
> > > To: Ms Kat <horngirl at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Cc: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: Re: [Chat] Wool BOF
> > >
> > > Yay! Count me in please!
> > >
> > > Any locals reading this with recommendations?
> > >
> > > On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with
> > up
> > > to 4 others.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > > On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <
> > > chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab
> to
> > >> at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
> > >> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jill
> > >>>
> > >>> Jill Rowling
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au <javascript:;>
> > >>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat[
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> > >>>
> >
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Cat Allman
> > >>
> > >> allman at google.com <javascript:;>
> > >> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
> > >> Mountain View, CA USA
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> > >> ??? Leonardo da Vinci
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> Jill
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> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 

Cat Allman

allman at google.com
Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
Mountain View, CA USA
https://developers.google.com/open-source/

?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
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From allman at google.com  Sat Jan 21 04:10:30 2017
From: allman at google.com (Cat Allman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:10:30 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Big thanks to all the organisers,
 speakers and volunteers of LCA2017
In-Reply-To: <d5a53a1d-b955-4d18-b344-aea5ae3c3451@blemings.org>
References: <2b6cbe0b-3c18-44c6-9e55-1f7ef3cb8947@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <CACDwxg2gc3Ab2QmPNjMxSKqrjyNPbyKJ4nkv3JyDBixW_yCuvw@mail.gmail.com>

+1 all around!

Cat

On Jan 20, 2017 3:25 AM, "Hugh Blemings via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> On 20/01/2017 20:37, Kathy Reid via Chat wrote:
>
>> A huge thanks to Chris, the amazing organisers, volunteers and Speakers
>> for a brilliant conference. You've done us all very proud. Kudos.
>>
>
> +2 on this and a tip of the hat to the wonderful delegates too - LCA is
> very much an example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts :)
>
> Look forward to seeing ya'll in 2018 if not before :)
>
> Cheers,
> Hugh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From george.patterson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 08:09:32 2017
From: george.patterson at gmail.com (George Patterson)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 08:09:32 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Cadsoft Eagle is moving to subscription/cloud based model
In-Reply-To: <CALMTgW9crDMkKw3ro65HsVd0J4LiTwDb800Kaac9JhTrNphU-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMTgW_0DAaQu6JAVqoYkqf1bk4+ZypDuAsKNXR_trkt2iC1nQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Those of you who dont not aware Eagle, was recently bought out by Autodesk
and are moving their pricing to subscription based.

https://youtu.be/0U8he-5Bqtw

KiCAD may very well pick up extra users.


George
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From jessica at itgrrl.com  Sat Jan 21 12:23:16 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:23:16 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Big thanks to all the organisers,
 speakers and volunteers of LCA2017
In-Reply-To: <CACDwxg2gc3Ab2QmPNjMxSKqrjyNPbyKJ4nkv3JyDBixW_yCuvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b6cbe0b-3c18-44c6-9e55-1f7ef3cb8947@email.android.com>
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Another +1 here. Excellent conference, excellent organisation, excellent
community.


Cheers,

Jessica

On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 at 04:10, Cat Allman via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> +1 all around!
>
> Cat
>
> On Jan 20, 2017 3:25 AM, "Hugh Blemings via Chat" <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hiya,
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20/01/2017 20:37, Kathy Reid via Chat wrote:
>
>
>
>
> A huge thanks to Chris, the amazing organisers, volunteers and Speakers
>
>
> for a brilliant conference. You've done us all very proud. Kudos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> +2 on this and a tip of the hat to the wonderful delegates too - LCA is
> very much an example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Look forward to seeing ya'll in 2018 if not before :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Chat mailing list
>
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
>
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Chat mailing list
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From ryan.verner at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 13:14:38 2017
From: ryan.verner at gmail.com (Ryan Verner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:14:38 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Video Update
Message-ID: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Most of the videos are done, but as we're about to pack up the van to head
back on the ferry the remaining videos + fixing any existing videos will
likely be held up until later in the week.

There's a bunch of WebM (vp8+theora) encodes now up on the LA mirror.

Feedback is good if you spot a video with issues (email me directly), we're
aware of a few talks that have incorrect edits which we'll resolve and
re-upload.

I will send an email to this list once everything is finished with info.

R
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From krig at koru.se  Sat Jan 21 14:43:45 2017
From: krig at koru.se (=?utf-8?Q?Kristoffer_Gr=C3=B6nlund?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 14:43:45 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Wool BOF
In-Reply-To: <1484826291.5880a6b3b6eac@anchor.net.au>
References: <1484651500.587dfbeca7641@anchor.net.au>
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Unfortunately a bit late as a recommendation (unless someone is staying another week) but Salamanca Market was an Alpaca goldmine. :)

Cheers,
Kristoffer

> On 19 Jan 2017, at 22:44, Jill Rowling via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> With the Wool BOF on Friday lunchtime, you don't have to go to the shop; it can
> come to you. Well, in a limited way at any rate.
> 
> I'll bring my small selection of alpaca yarns. Shameless plug follows:
> The 100g balls are A$40.00 and the skeins are A$37.00 each. They are more
> expensive than the ones at the shop in Salamanca* but are 100% made in Australia
> and the name of the alpaca is on the label. Natural colours, huacaya and suri.
> From our herd, spun in an Australian mini mill.
> 
> At the wool BOF I'd also like to discuss hacking knitting machines and jacquard
> loom attachments which are usually chain programmed although there are some
> closed-source ones around.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jill
> 
> * The pretty dyed alpaca in the shop at Salamanca is from Australian white
> huacaya alpaca which has been processed and dyed in New Zealand.
> 
> Quoting Justin Thiessen via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>:
> 
>> If any store recs come out of this would love to hear.  My wife is an avid
>> knitter and always looking for more material. ;-)
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2017 10:08, "Monica Wood via Chat" <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is the stash cupboard.  http://www.thestashcupboard.com.au/
>>> Also for tas wool i think there is a place at salamanca... but cant
>>> comment on it as i've not been there
>>> 
>>> Monica
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Cat Allman via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
>>> Date: 18/01/2017 09:53 (GMT+10:00)
>>> To: Ms Kat <horngirl at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>> Subject: Re: [Chat] Wool BOF
>>> 
>>> Yay! Count me in please!
>>> 
>>> Any locals reading this with recommendations?
>>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AM, "Ms Kat" <horngirl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a rental car so happy to do a lunchtime run to a yarn store with
>> up
>>> to 4 others.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Kat
>>> 
>>> On 18 Jan 2017 8:08 AM, "Cat Allman via Chat" <
>>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'll be on a plane by then :-(  Would anyone be up for sharing a cab to
>>>> at least one wool store during lunch on Thursday?
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Jill Rowling via Chat <
>>>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The wool BOF has been suggested for Friday lunchtime in Wellington 2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jill
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jill Rowling
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chat mailing list
>>>>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
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>>>>> lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
>>>>> 
>> 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.lca2017.linux.org.au_mailman_listinfo_chat&d=DwMFAg&c=wBUwXtM9sKhff6UeHOQgvw&r=7c5nv9d7XxuUy03TWFXwjZEqPlMTrIoDl6ybGBRBJ2Q&m=FDTLoRTWQukIHDolHW-2oGDh_CvCv66cRrdw4MiL6QY&s=w0VynFNUzc1P20bvbnjONkNOvAns_Mktlzp5QfX2zV0&e=>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Cat Allman
>>>> 
>>>> allman at google.com
>>>> Open Source Programs and Google | Making Science
>>>> Mountain View, CA USA
>>>> https://developers.google.com/open-source/[developers.google.com]
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>> 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__developers.google.com_open-2Dsource_&d=DwMFAg&c=wBUwXtM9sKhff6UeHOQgvw&r=7c5nv9d7XxuUy03TWFXwjZEqPlMTrIoDl6ybGBRBJ2Q&m=FDTLoRTWQukIHDolHW-2oGDh_CvCv66cRrdw4MiL6QY&s=PmWkMyXH3PD6cpT7FyTwNd5WT4tTndwRDniEX2PG4Fc&e=>
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>>>> ?Learning never exhausts the mind.?
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> University of Tasmania Electronic Communications Policy (December, 2014).
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> 
> 
> Jill
> 
> Jill Rowling
> _______________________________________________
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> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

From jessica at itgrrl.com  Sat Jan 21 14:47:14 2017
From: jessica at itgrrl.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 03:47:14 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Video Update
In-Reply-To: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOUMSZVfaRJwmKBhRQh0SD6fOknSaVN+7EbeZd1rqpb-ZnM=EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Outstanding work by the A/V team! Kudos.


Cheers,

Jessica


On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 at 13:15, Ryan Verner via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Most of the videos are done, but as we're about to pack up the van to head
> back on the ferry the remaining videos + fixing any existing videos will
> likely be held up until later in the week.
>
> There's a bunch of WebM (vp8+theora) encodes now up on the LA mirror.
>
> Feedback is good if you spot a video with issues (email me directly),
> we're aware of a few talks that have incorrect edits which we'll resolve
> and re-upload.
>
> I will send an email to this list once everything is finished with info.
>
> R
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Chat mailing list
>
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
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From lca2017 at libertysys.com.au  Sat Jan 21 15:16:43 2017
From: lca2017 at libertysys.com.au (Paul Gear)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:16:43 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Video Update
In-Reply-To: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c313de3-6793-f2c3-aa4d-d78f9bf0e601@libertysys.com.au>

Thanks for all your efforts - the AV team did a fantastic job! :-)

On 21/01/17 13:14, Ryan Verner via Chat wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Most of the videos are done, but as we're about to pack up the van to
> head back on the ferry the remaining videos + fixing any existing
> videos will likely be held up until later in the week.
>
> There's a bunch of WebM (vp8+theora) encodes now up on the LA mirror.
>
> Feedback is good if you spot a video with issues (email me directly),
> we're aware of a few talks that have incorrect edits which we'll
> resolve and re-upload.
>
> I will send an email to this list once everything is finished with info.
>
> R


From ryan.verner at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 16:22:42 2017
From: ryan.verner at gmail.com (Ryan Verner)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:22:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Video Update
In-Reply-To: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKXXGe2iF_O0M9ma6E-koT-f1_3Uqdjb4bPSZLFqvCDQMRg6kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKXXGe3GkDpT3-f3bNLjaU5OtFGopKvYOHVWemVS5F=b9cULUg@mail.gmail.com>

Some people have asked me where the videos are going up:

https://www.youtube.com/user/linuxconfau2017

http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2017/

Each video as it hits YouTube is tweeted by @nextdayvideo with the tag
#lca2017

If you're planning on downloading all of them, would encourage you to wait
until they're all finished - some of the existing videos will be replaced
with new edits.



On 21 Jan 2017 13:14, "Ryan Verner" <ryan.verner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Most of the videos are done, but as we're about to pack up the van to head
> back on the ferry the remaining videos + fixing any existing videos will
> likely be held up until later in the week.
>
> There's a bunch of WebM (vp8+theora) encodes now up on the LA mirror.
>
> Feedback is good if you spot a video with issues (email me directly),
> we're aware of a few talks that have incorrect edits which we'll resolve
> and re-upload.
>
> I will send an email to this list once everything is finished with info.
>
> R
>
>
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From lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz  Sun Jan 22 09:15:59 2017
From: lca2017 at ewen.mcneill.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:15:59 +1300
Subject: [Chat] TEDxScottBase: on now
Message-ID: <6417ab4e-04e8-a8cb-11e3-2c9062147c67@ewen.mcneill.gen.nz>

For anyone who is home, and wanting more talks to watch, TEDxScottBase:

http://www.tedxscottbase.com/
http://www.tedxscottbase.com/speakers-1/

is streaming "live" now (ie Sun 2017-01-22), via YouTube Live.  They're 
doing three broadcasts of it in a row (the first is on now; the second 
starts in about 3 hours, and the last in about 8 hours):

http://www.tedxscottbase.com/how-to-watch/

There are also a whole bunch of streaming parties around the world (see 
their map), some of which may well still be taking more attendees.

I've already seen some interesting talks on photography in Antarctica, 
climate change, etc.

Ewen

From chrisjrn at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 10:43:01 2017
From: chrisjrn at gmail.com (Christopher Neugebauer)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:43:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Big thanks to all the organisers,
 speakers and volunteers of LCA2017
In-Reply-To: <CAOUMSZWNiFNcJzd6p_KoFek=agO0f7xO7wm-bh=UMpqGVu1zxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b6cbe0b-3c18-44c6-9e55-1f7ef3cb8947@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <CABRwem=H0RaigTaxEL7YN3+hqqR6X7D5yxtUn2RZ=PSwRrL2Kg@mail.gmail.com>

? to all of you! Thanks for coming along and helping make this week
amazing.

--Chris

On 21 Jan. 2017 1:26 pm, "Jessica Smith via Chat" <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Another +1 here. Excellent conference, excellent organisation, excellent
> community.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jessica
>
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 at 04:10, Cat Allman via Chat <
> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>> +1 all around!
>>
>> Cat
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2017 3:25 AM, "Hugh Blemings via Chat" <
>> chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/01/2017 20:37, Kathy Reid via Chat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A huge thanks to Chris, the amazing organisers, volunteers and Speakers
>>
>>
>> for a brilliant conference. You've done us all very proud. Kudos.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +2 on this and a tip of the hat to the wonderful delegates too - LCA is
>> very much an example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Look forward to seeing ya'll in 2018 if not before :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Chat mailing list
>>
>>
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>
>>
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Chat mailing list
>>
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
>>
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From fetwadjieff at amnet.net.au  Sun Jan 22 21:06:23 2017
From: fetwadjieff at amnet.net.au (Ivan and Wendy Fetwadjieff)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:06:23 +0800
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1484783057.26278.1.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>
 <1484783057.26278.1.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <1485079583.2518.15.camel@wendy-HP>

Hi Alistair

Thanks for the great Tutorial and supplying the amazing kit.

I found the Tutorial and kit extremely interesting and you supplied a
lot more components than I was expecting.

Is there any further information or links available on what each type
sensor module does and how to use them? 

Cheers Ivan

On Thu, 2017-01-19 at 10:44 +1100, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> Extra Kits
> ==========
> 
> I'll be making further kits available online shortly (I'll need to get
> more modules in). Expect ~$50, including postage within Australia. It
> will take about 3-4 weeks for the parts to arrive.
> 
> Please get in touch if you would like to reserve one.
> 
> 
> OSX Support
> ===========
> 
> For those of you who figured out how to get things going on OSX, great
> work - could you please send me the details (or preferably, a github
> pull request)?
> 
> 
> Lost Hardware
> =============
> 
> A couple of people have reached out to ask if any bits have been found.
> If you could please check for the following, and get in touch with me
> if these accidentally ended up in your possession, and I'll connect you
> to their owners.
> 
> - Blue pen-knife
> - Small cardboard box with OHMC "IoTuz" dev board & Multimeter
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Alastair D'Silva           mob: 0423 762 819
> skype: alastair_dsilva  
>   Twitter: @EvilDeece
> blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



From sellis at redhat.com  Mon Jan 23 09:08:07 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:08:07 +1100
Subject: [Chat] USB-C & USB-PD lightning talk
In-Reply-To: <305edd59-9d5e-9586-b2bd-fcaeaebad65f@studio442.com.au>
References: <305edd59-9d5e-9586-b2bd-fcaeaebad65f@studio442.com.au>
Message-ID: <CABLbxQ21m5w0uA5hxSLVkGgkHrjTRTMv2UwE=U-d+jjBnRVPOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the slides. Very good write up of USB-C for beginners.

On 19 January 2017 at 15:31, Julien Goodwin via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> My USB-C & USB-PD lighting talk at the hardware miniconf was a little
> abbreviated, and I've been getting a few questions about it.
>
> The slide deck is downloadable at:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3239420/USB-C%20%26%20USB-PD.pdf
>
> I'll likely be ordering another batch of the USB-C Thinkpad adapters in
> the next few weeks once I fix the connector footprint issue. If anyone
> is interested in one of those, and/or wants to have a chat about how
> USB-C & USB-PD might apply to their design please drop me a line.
>
> A proper write-up of the project for my blog will hopefully be done next
> week.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
>
>


-- 
Steven Ellis
Senior Solution Architect - Red Hat New Zealand <http://www.redhat.co.nz/>
*T:* +64 9 887 3207
*M:* +64 21 321 673
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From andyg at geekscape.org  Mon Jan 23 10:58:01 2017
From: andyg at geekscape.org (Andy Gelme)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:58:01 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1484783057.26278.1.camel@d-silva.org>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org> <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>
 <1484783057.26278.1.camel@d-silva.org>
Message-ID: <bf9fed37-2f6a-1092-b7d7-ddba5bc9e671@geekscape.org>

hi All,

On 2017-01-19 10:44 , Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
> Lost Hardware
> =============
> - Small cardboard box with OHMC "IoTuz" dev board & Multimeter

Fortunately, the OHMC "IoTuz" dev board and multimeter were found during
the clean-up and are being returned.

The owner was very *keen* to get it back, so we have already replaced it.

The found kit will go to a good new home :)

-- 
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From mithro at mithis.com  Mon Jan 23 13:51:49 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:51:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] MicroPython on FPGAs
In-Reply-To: <CAHLUNMy0qwTPWCz9Lr8itXoTyY3zo8SjDKuzWDQn+xOatrnKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHLUNMy0qwTPWCz9Lr8itXoTyY3zo8SjDKuzWDQn+xOatrnKeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHLUNMzy55w15HFKnewzCpKJeCZf1m3pp80N5SkeQHdK9N91fw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone!

MicroPython on FPGAs now has;

 * A mailing list - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/upy-fpga/join
 * A GitHub organisation - https://github.com/upy-fpga
 * A issue tracker - https://github.com/upy-fpga/issues-wiki/issues
 * A wiki - https://github.com/upy-fpga/issues-wiki/wiki

If you are interested, please join up. We will be sending through
instructions on how to get started in the next couple of days.

Tim 'mithro' Ansell





On 19 January 2017 at 21:10, Tim Ansell <mithro at mithis.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> As I mentioned in my talk yesterday afternoon, Jim, Joel, Katie & myself
> are looking at making MicroPython (https://micropython.org/) and FPGAs
> play nicely together using the HDMI2USB LiteX firmware, a Python based
> system for generating FPGA SoCs (https://github.com/mithro/HDM
> I2USB-litex-firmware/).
>
> The goal is to make it possible to do every part of FPGA development in
> Python, both the gateware and firmware development!
>
> We have a mostly working repl loop, but still need a lot of work to get
> all the peripherals up and running. Eventually we want to be able to define
> new hardware in the gateware and have micropython recognise it
> automatically (probably using device tree...)
>
> We would love your help with this! I even have spare FPGA hardware for
> people to play with. Is anyone interested? We are having a BOF in
> Wellington Room 1 on Friday Lunch (12:20 - 13:20)
> https://linux.conf.au/wiki/conference/birds_of_a_feather_ses
> sions/micropython_on_fpgas/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tim 'mithro' Ansell
>
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From andrew at sands.gen.nz  Mon Jan 23 15:16:46 2017
From: andrew at sands.gen.nz (Andrew Sands)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:16:46 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
In-Reply-To: <1485079583.2518.15.camel@wendy-HP>
References: <1483412968.5578.4.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484201489.4542.19.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1484274971.18779.3.camel@d-silva.org>
 <01ca01d26eac$edb5f180$c921d480$@d-silva.org>
 <1484783057.26278.1.camel@d-silva.org>
 <1485079583.2518.15.camel@wendy-HP>
Message-ID: <21bc50fda3644257b6257ea71854795c@sands.gen.nz>

Hi, Ivan
  
 >
> Is there any further information or links available on what each type
> sensor module does and how to use them?
>

Not sure if anyone else has replied but if you look at the bottom of the 
file in the git repo you cloned :- esp-workshop/tutorials/1a.Intro - 1 
Hour.html you will find some resources URL links.
  
 One of which is :- https://tkkrlab.nl/wiki/Arduino_37_sensors
  
 Regards and have a nice day,
  
 Andrew Sands



From dns at dns.id.au  Mon Jan 23 15:56:49 2017
From: dns at dns.id.au (Daniel Sobey)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:26:49 +1030
Subject: [Chat] Key signing notes
Message-ID: <CAAphvGq921rPeP9CNQS4rA-VGFoAF6CmWcWHOoHb0THU4fPxXA@mail.gmail.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

Hello Everyone,

Sorry for not getting this email out earlier.
Below are some notes for what to do after attending a key signing.

At the event we did two things:
Verified that the claims that each person made match the details on the key.
That the gpg fingerprint belongs to that person.

Please check the identity carefully, if someone has included a middle name
or claims to be from the USA check that they have a passport from that
country.

You sign the uid in the key and not the key itself.
This can be the person's name, comment and email address string.
Gpg can also include an image so look at this and see if this matches your
expectation.
You can add and remove these identities at any time so there is the
potential to claim to be someone else. If you remove a uid any signatures
for that uid are gone. If  you add a new entry there will not be any
signatures on it and you will need to ask people to sign it again.

If you are planning on changing email address or move to a new gpg key you
may be able to email people and ask them to sign your new identities. You
would want to verify that this email really did come from them, hopefully
they have signed the message with the previous key so you can verify that
it really came from them.


SIGNING KEYS:
=============

Simple method:
- --------------
Download the key list from https://keysigning.xyz/?keylist=1
Gpg --import keylist
Verify that the fingerprints match the print out: gpg --fingerprint
--list-key 4111E1E2
Sign the key:   gpg --sign-key   4111E1E2
If you have multiple keys you should sign the key with each of these: gpg
 --fingerprint --sign-with FA9EC035 --sign-key 4111E1E2
Export their key (this contains your new signature): gpg -a --export
4111E1E2 > 4111E1E2
(optional) Encrypt this exported file with their gpg key. If they are able
to decrypt it they must have the key.
(optional) send this key to the key server: gpg --send-keys 4111E1E2
Some people do not want their gpg key on a key server so it may be a good
idea to ask them before doing this.

Loading signatures.
Decrypt the message to a temporary file: gpg --decrypt file > newfile
View the encrypted message
Import any signatures found in the message:   gpg --import newfile
(optional) send your key to a key server: gpg --send-key FA9EC035
(optional) refresh keys from server: gpg --refresh-keys



CAFF:
- -----
This stands for CA - Fire and Forget and is in the signing-party package.
See https://wiki.debian.org/caff for notes.
For a gui too see https://github.com/frasertweedale/gcaff developed by
Frazer Tweedale.

These tools need sendmail to be working correctly for them to work.
I use SSMTP to send to gmail as it is easy to set up.
You should login to gmail and create an app specific password for this.
See the below for an example configuration file.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP
You can then use the ?sendmail? command provided by the ssmtp package to
send email.

Run caff to generate a configuration file.
Edit the configuration file and change the following:
$CONFIG{'owner'} = 'Daniel Sobey';
$CONFIG{'email'} = 'dns at dns.id.au';
$CONFIG{'keyid'} = [ qw{82D4793D50871827ADA3069C69EB32C8E31A9CB2
28F82EA326A37748EC41CD2800D408C4FA9EC035 } ];

Uncomment the message template and change it if you wish.

Download the key list from https://keysigning.xyz/?keylist=1 so you do not
need to fetch this every time.

You should now be able to sign you key.
caff --key-file linux.conf.au.2017.txt -R 4111E1E2

You can use the full gpg fingerprint or the 8 digit short key.
If you use the 8 digit key it will show the full fingerprint when you sign
the key, verify the fingerprint with the print out.
Enter the passphrase on your key.
You will be in a gpg prompt, type save
It will then prompt if you would like to send the email.

This message is signed by me with ascii armor and can be verified that it
came from my gpg key.
Copy the message from the starting dashes to the end pgp signature to a
file.
Run gpg --verify email.txt and it should confirm that it came from me.

Regards,

Daniel
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Version: GnuPG v1

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From clinton.roy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 16:25:38 2017
From: clinton.roy at gmail.com (Clinton Roy)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:25:38 +0000
Subject: [Chat] South Coast Track pictures
Message-ID: <CALGYmuoQnUhESUph95rsB5uMTjprnR5uaWzodE2RGNJ72d1pug@mail.gmail.com>

Hellos,

all my photos are up at
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipP8lhlQdvQfCJWxQB-8Tn8oHE28Lvkk1VnIoocEdrDtlOs_FR3a2AUXMxo1gG6pnQ?key=dzdweUVZb20yRWpMRmZoejhlWkx5a3JyNWxLdW9n

(Yeah, setting up a media goblin server is a task for this year :)
-- 
-- Clinton Roy, Software Engineer with Bloomberg L.P.
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From michael at cassaniti.id.au  Mon Jan 23 18:00:50 2017
From: michael at cassaniti.id.au (michael at cassaniti.id.au)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:00:50 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Key signing notes
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGq921rPeP9CNQS4rA-VGFoAF6CmWcWHOoHb0THU4fPxXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGq921rPeP9CNQS4rA-VGFoAF6CmWcWHOoHb0THU4fPxXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bf1c86e-31b2-c54b-284a-0309c3996dbe@cassaniti.id.au>

Unfortunately I had an issue with Daniel's key ending in 00D4 08C4 FA9E
C035 when using gcaff. There are some attributes of that key that are
not recognised by gcaff and it throws an exception. A little bit of
hacking to make it ignore those attributes and it all worked like a charm.

Also, if anyone wants a keybase invite then please contact me.

On 23/01/17 15:56, Daniel Sobey via Chat wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Sorry for not getting this email out earlier.
> Below are some notes for what to do after attending a key signing.
>
> At the event we did two things:
> Verified that the claims that each person made match the details on
> the key.
> That the gpg fingerprint belongs to that person.
>
> Please check the identity carefully, if someone has included a middle
> name or claims to be from the USA check that they have a passport from
> that country.
>
> You sign the uid in the key and not the key itself.
> This can be the person's name, comment and email address string.
> Gpg can also include an image so look at this and see if this matches
> your expectation.
> You can add and remove these identities at any time so there is the
> potential to claim to be someone else. If you remove a uid any
> signatures for that uid are gone. If  you add a new entry there will
> not be any signatures on it and you will need to ask people to sign it
> again.
>
> If you are planning on changing email address or move to a new gpg key
> you may be able to email people and ask them to sign your new
> identities. You would want to verify that this email really did come
> from them, hopefully they have signed the message with the previous
> key so you can verify that it really came from them.
>
>
> SIGNING KEYS:
> =============
>
> Simple method:
> --------------
> Download the key list from https://keysigning.xyz/?keylist=1
> Gpg --import keylist
> Verify that the fingerprints match the print out: gpg --fingerprint
> --list-key 4111E1E2
> Sign the key:   gpg --sign-key   4111E1E2
> If you have multiple keys you should sign the key with each of these:
> gpg  --fingerprint --sign-with FA9EC035 --sign-key 4111E1E2
> Export their key (this contains your new signature): gpg -a --export
> 4111E1E2 > 4111E1E2
> (optional) Encrypt this exported file with their gpg key. If they are
> able to decrypt it they must have the key.
> (optional) send this key to the key server: gpg --send-keys 4111E1E2
> Some people do not want their gpg key on a key server so it may be a
> good idea to ask them before doing this.
>
> Loading signatures.
> Decrypt the message to a temporary file: gpg --decrypt file > newfile
> View the encrypted message
> Import any signatures found in the message:   gpg --import newfile
> (optional) send your key to a key server: gpg --send-key FA9EC035
> (optional) refresh keys from server: gpg --refresh-keys
>
>
>
> CAFF:
> -----
> This stands for CA - Fire and Forget and is in the signing-party package.
> See https://wiki.debian.org/caff for notes.
> For a gui too see https://github.com/frasertweedale/gcaff developed by
> Frazer Tweedale.
>
> These tools need sendmail to be working correctly for them to work.
> I use SSMTP to send to gmail as it is easy to set up.
> You should login to gmail and create an app specific password for this.
> See the below for an example configuration file.
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP
> You can then use the ?sendmail? command provided by the ssmtp package
> to send email.
>
> Run caff to generate a configuration file.
> Edit the configuration file and change the following:
> $CONFIG{'owner'} = 'Daniel Sobey';
> $CONFIG{'email'} = 'dns at dns.id.au <mailto:dns at dns.id.au>';
> $CONFIG{'keyid'} = [ qw{82D4793D50871827ADA3069C69EB32C8E31A9CB2
> 28F82EA326A37748EC41CD2800D408C4FA9EC035 } ];
>
> Uncomment the message template and change it if you wish.
>
> Download the key list from https://keysigning.xyz/?keylist=1 so you do
> not need to fetch this every time.
>
> You should now be able to sign you key.
> caff --key-file linux.conf.au.2017.txt -R 4111E1E2
>
> You can use the full gpg fingerprint or the 8 digit short key.
> If you use the 8 digit key it will show the full fingerprint when you
> sign the key, verify the fingerprint with the print out.
> Enter the passphrase on your key.
> You will be in a gpg prompt, type save
> It will then prompt if you would like to send the email.
>
> This message is signed by me with ascii armor and can be verified that
> it came from my gpg key.
> Copy the message from the starting dashes to the end pgp signature to
> a file.
> Run gpg --verify email.txt and it should confirm that it came from me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel
> > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au >
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat



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From ftweedal at redhat.com  Mon Jan 23 18:19:45 2017
From: ftweedal at redhat.com (Fraser Tweedale)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:19:45 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Key signing notes
In-Reply-To: <CAAphvGq921rPeP9CNQS4rA-VGFoAF6CmWcWHOoHb0THU4fPxXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAphvGq921rPeP9CNQS4rA-VGFoAF6CmWcWHOoHb0THU4fPxXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170123071945.GW4539@dhcp-40-8.bne.redhat.com>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 03:26:49PM +1030, Daniel Sobey via Chat wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Sorry for not getting this email out earlier.
> Below are some notes for what to do after attending a key signing.
> 
> At the event we did two things:
> Verified that the claims that each person made match the details on the key.
> That the gpg fingerprint belongs to that person.
> 
> Please check the identity carefully, if someone has included a middle name
> or claims to be from the USA check that they have a passport from that
> country.
> 
> You sign the uid in the key and not the key itself.
> This can be the person's name, comment and email address string.
> Gpg can also include an image so look at this and see if this matches your
> expectation.
> You can add and remove these identities at any time so there is the
> potential to claim to be someone else. If you remove a uid any signatures
> for that uid are gone. If  you add a new entry there will not be any
> signatures on it and you will need to ask people to sign it again.
> 
> If you are planning on changing email address or move to a new gpg key you
> may be able to email people and ask them to sign your new identities. You
> would want to verify that this email really did come from them, hopefully
> they have signed the message with the previous key so you can verify that
> it really came from them.
> 
> 
> SIGNING KEYS:
> =============
> 
> Simple method:
> - --------------
> Download the key list from https://keysigning.xyz/?keylist=1
> Gpg --import keylist
> Verify that the fingerprints match the print out: gpg --fingerprint
> --list-key 4111E1E2
> Sign the key:   gpg --sign-key   4111E1E2
> If you have multiple keys you should sign the key with each of these: gpg
>  --fingerprint --sign-with FA9EC035 --sign-key 4111E1E2
> Export their key (this contains your new signature): gpg -a --export
> 4111E1E2 > 4111E1E2
> (optional) Encrypt this exported file with their gpg key. If they are able
> to decrypt it they must have the key.
> (optional) send this key to the key server: gpg --send-keys 4111E1E2
> Some people do not want their gpg key on a key server so it may be a good
> idea to ask them before doing this.
> 
> Loading signatures.
> Decrypt the message to a temporary file: gpg --decrypt file > newfile
> View the encrypted message
> Import any signatures found in the message:   gpg --import newfile
> (optional) send your key to a key server: gpg --send-key FA9EC035
> (optional) refresh keys from server: gpg --refresh-keys
> 
> 
> 
> CAFF:
> - -----
> This stands for CA - Fire and Forget and is in the signing-party package.
> See https://wiki.debian.org/caff for notes.
> For a gui too see https://github.com/frasertweedale/gcaff developed by
> Frazer Tweedale.
> 
> These tools need sendmail to be working correctly for them to work.
> I use SSMTP to send to gmail as it is easy to set up.
> You should login to gmail and create an app specific password for this.
> See the below for an example configuration file.
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP
> You can then use the ?sendmail? command provided by the ssmtp package to
> send email.
> 
> Run caff to generate a configuration file.
> Edit the configuration file and change the following:
> $CONFIG{'owner'} = 'Daniel Sobey';
> $CONFIG{'email'} = 'dns at dns.id.au';
> $CONFIG{'keyid'} = [ qw{82D4793D50871827ADA3069C69EB32C8E31A9CB2
> 28F82EA326A37748EC41CD2800D408C4FA9EC035 } ];
> 
> Uncomment the message template and change it if you wish.
> 
> Download the key list from https://keysigning.xyz/?keylist=1 so you do not
> need to fetch this every time.
> 
> You should now be able to sign you key.
> caff --key-file linux.conf.au.2017.txt -R 4111E1E2
> 
> You can use the full gpg fingerprint or the 8 digit short key.
> If you use the 8 digit key it will show the full fingerprint when you sign
> the key, verify the fingerprint with the print out.
> Enter the passphrase on your key.
> You will be in a gpg prompt, type save
> It will then prompt if you would like to send the email.
> 
> This message is signed by me with ascii armor and can be verified that it
> came from my gpg key.
> Copy the message from the starting dashes to the end pgp signature to a
> file.
> Run gpg --verify email.txt and it should confirm that it came from me.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel
>
Thanks for putting this info to the list, Daniel, and for running
the keysigning.  And to everyone who participated!

Cheers,
Fraser

From madduck at madduck.net  Mon Jan 23 22:28:38 2017
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:28:38 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Notes from the LCA2017 Libre Communications BoF
Message-ID: <20170123112838.mmy2ic35aixwdrxc@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>

[Matthew, CC'ing you here, you can search down for "Matthew" or just
read it all?]

Hey,

around 20 of us met just before Friday lunch to discuss libre
real-time communication. It was a vivid discussion, but I tried to
take some notes, and here they come.

  side-note: most of us will be available on the
  #lca-matrix:matrix.org channel for real-time chat on any of these
  topics, I'd say. It's bridged to #lca-matrix/chat.freenode.net.

WhatsApp and also Signal have seen wide-spread adoption, in part
because tying user accounts to phone numbers lowered the barrier of
entry and made it trivial for people to interconnect. An existing
network effect was leveraged.

Compare this to XMPP. As recently demonstrated,? it is possible to
configure Jabber-clients to enable all of the bells and whistles of
rich communications, but it takes a lot of effort. Furthermore, the
slow, bitwise addition of features/functionality to XMPP via XEPs
also means that few clients support the entire feature set (and only
on Linux). And if this wasn't enough of a hindrance to wide-spread
adoption, neither can XMPP reuse existing network effects, nor
exists there a directory making it easy to discover other users of
XMPP.

So early in the session, we pondered ways in which adoption can be
helped, especially in the context of the behemoths purposely
shielding their users from standards (cf. Google Hangouts no longer
supporting inbound XMPP, or Facebook/Cisco/others internally using
XMPP but not federating).

  [intermission]
  Could Facebook & Co. be interested in peering with a federated
  service if they could push ads down that way? This would mean that
  clients would need to support them.

What about a QR code at the next LCA, which gives people access to
a pre-configured XMPP app, possibly with optional, full-featured
default accounts for all attendees?

What could be done at the protocol level? We'll return to that
momentarily.

Lots of different protocols/technologies are in use among people in
the room, both for work and privately. It was a bit startling to see
the largest numbers next to Slack and Skype. But that's why we
convened?

Attendees pointed out a fundamental grouping of these protocols.
Some were social, i.e. mostly one-on-one, while others were more
team-oriented. For instance, Slack is about teams, Whatsapp strongly
pushes that way, but XMPP is mostly used for direct chats. It's
interesting to acknowledge in this context that IRC is channel-based
(see also this talk on the history of IRC?).

Many people seem to be using one tool for work and the other
privately, also as a means to separate the two, i.e. not to get
private content at work. It would thus be great if clients could
support profiles that enabled this.

Also, technology that natively bridges between protocols will make
it easier to adopt. Bitlbee is an external solution to integrate
instant messaging (ICQ, XMPP, Oscar, ?) and even Twitter with IRC,
but Matrix contrariwise does this natively.

(At this point I (as well as Ben Sturm and Scott Bragg, who were
also in the room) answered a couple of questions about Matrix and
didn't take notes?)

Even though the session was not intended nor turned out to be
Matrix evangelism, I did talk a little bit about the concept of
identity servers that Matrix operates with. A Matrix user ID (MXID)
is of the form @madduck:matrix.org, and this weird-at-first format
was chosen on purpose to not conflate it with e-mail addresses.? The
purpose of an identity server is e.g. to translate from an e-mail
address to the MXID. But it doesn't have to stop there.

  [Matthew: here comes the bit presumably most interesting to you]

Michael Cassaniti stuck around from the keysigning BoF that took
place just before and mentioned keybase.io in this context. For
those who don't know, keybase.io is a project to build aggregate
identities through verification, i.e. my identity there might be
"the person who controls @martinkrafft on Twitter and also owns
madduck at debian.org, etc.". Maybe keybase.io could be turned into an
identity server and I could ask it "hey, I want to talk to
@martinkrafft on Matrix, please connect me?"

Finally, we discussed how to discover people you didn't know yet.
It's possible to build social graphs in decentralised fashion, and
people could be put in charge of the information they want to be
made available about them (e.g. like how on IRC your channel
membership is only revealed to others in the channel, or through
other means.

pump.io and also GNUsocial had furthermore seen "recommendation
servers", i.e. bots that would drink from various firehoses and
simply aggregate everything they found/heard of into a directory of
people/rooms/tags etc.. Such a directory could then be used
client-side to suggest new contacts, or discussion rooms or tags of
interest. It was agreed that finding out about rooms/tags had less
privacy implications, but there'd be no need to limit ourselves to
just that.

The session ended after an hour, and we didn't talk much about
microblogging, but all-in-all it felt like some interesting points
were raised and some food for thought given (cooked?), and I hope
I managed to capture it all in the above.

?) e.g. http://www.trueelena.org/computers/howto/modern_xmpp_server.html
?) https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/hsbp/camppp7e0/irc.mkv
?) https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#what-is-a-mxid

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From jan.groth.de at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 21:24:03 2017
From: jan.groth.de at gmail.com (Jan Groth)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:24:03 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
Message-ID: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>

First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!

After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
only natural to compare the two events:

While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
didn't manage to connect to.

I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?

Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?

* I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
mind letting the speaker know about it.

* I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.

* Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
/ yell out.

If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
feedback and try to improve for the next time.

WDYT?

Jan

From relwalretep at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 22:42:39 2017
From: relwalretep at gmail.com (Peter Lawler)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:42:39 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Post conf IRC
Message-ID: <6929d4c7-cefc-fd35-8407-4d244950d4e8@gmail.com>

Hi!
Many of you may know of the conference IRC channel on Freenode, 
#linux.conf.au

But did you know Linux Australia have their own channel #linux-aus on 
Freenode. Also, a bunch of Linux and randoms hang out on the social 
##Australia on Freenode as well.

Feel free to drop by either channel (or both), and/or idle some. We'd 
love to hear from you before next year, even if it just in passing.

Regards,

Pete.

From tserong at suse.com  Wed Jan 25 15:56:47 2017
From: tserong at suse.com (Tim Serong)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 15:56:47 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>

On 01/24/2017 09:24 PM, Jan Groth via Chat wrote:
> First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
> thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!
> 
> After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
> only natural to compare the two events:
> 
> While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
> 2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
> consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
> didn't manage to connect to.
> 
> I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
> fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
> of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?

There's nothing official along those lines for LCA 2017.  Some F/OSS
conferences have wound up with ad-hoc speaker feedback on third party
sites (lanyrd maybe?) but I'm not sure if that's happened for LCAs or
not offhand.

>From some previous discussions I've had there's at least a few ways
speaker feedback could potentially be facilitated in future:

- Build a rating thingy into the conference web site, so delegates can
rate talks (delegates have to remember to rate talks).
- Same as above, but with a mobile app.
- Hand out bits of paper at each talk to collect feedback (either "tick
the boxes", or a simpler "dump red/amber/green pieces of paper in a
bucket as a hand-wavey quality metric")

The paper based options probably get more feedback from more people than
the online ones, but are more load on volunteers.

> Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
> worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?
> 
> * I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
> mind letting the speaker know about it.
> 
> * I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
> and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
> voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.
> 
> * Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
> typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
> the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
> / yell out.
> 
> If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
> feedback and try to improve for the next time.

Likewise.  I really appreciate feedback when I've been a speaker,
because it helps me in my attempts to improve my presentations.

Cheers,

Tim

From kathy at kathyreid.id.au  Wed Jan 25 17:09:04 2017
From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:09:04 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>
References: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>
Message-ID: <07c182c2-7701-a9ba-6b4b-5a44ebecafed@kathyreid.id.au>

joind.in


On 25/01/17 15:56, Tim Serong via Chat wrote:
> On 01/24/2017 09:24 PM, Jan Groth via Chat wrote:
>> First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
>> thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!
>>
>> After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
>> only natural to compare the two events:
>>
>> While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
>> 2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
>> consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
>> didn't manage to connect to.
>>
>> I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
>> fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
>> of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?
> There's nothing official along those lines for LCA 2017.  Some F/OSS
> conferences have wound up with ad-hoc speaker feedback on third party
> sites (lanyrd maybe?) but I'm not sure if that's happened for LCAs or
> not offhand.
>
> From some previous discussions I've had there's at least a few ways
> speaker feedback could potentially be facilitated in future:
>
> - Build a rating thingy into the conference web site, so delegates can
> rate talks (delegates have to remember to rate talks).
> - Same as above, but with a mobile app.
> - Hand out bits of paper at each talk to collect feedback (either "tick
> the boxes", or a simpler "dump red/amber/green pieces of paper in a
> bucket as a hand-wavey quality metric")
>
> The paper based options probably get more feedback from more people than
> the online ones, but are more load on volunteers.
>
>> Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
>> worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?
>>
>> * I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
>> mind letting the speaker know about it.
>>
>> * I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
>> and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
>> voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.
>>
>> * Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
>> typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
>> the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
>> / yell out.
>>
>> If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
>> feedback and try to improve for the next time.
> Likewise.  I really appreciate feedback when I've been a speaker,
> because it helps me in my attempts to improve my presentations.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat

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From Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au  Wed Jan 25 18:08:32 2017
From: Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au (Michael Lake)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:08:32 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>
References: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>
Message-ID: <MEXPR01MB2069E98C5F29B65FA98B4A2BCF740@MEXPR01MB2069.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I'm generally in favour of a talk rating system but it would not be nice to have a system whereby the rating of all speakers is public knowledge.
Some speakers would be at the bottom of the barrel. That's good for the organisers to have but not to be made public just out of courtesy.

One could though also have a public rating system of the top, say 10 talks.  That way the bottom of that list is still being rated amount the top 10% of all talks.

Having a way to have private non-anonymous or anonymous feedback to the speaker, either good or suggestions for improvement, is fraught with ethical problems. It would be good to provide a way for attendees to provide feed back but we can't have a system whereby people can just heap shit on some speaker anonymously. It's a difficult problem to solve.

Mike Lake

________________________________________
From: Chat [chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] on behalf of Tim Serong via Chat [chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:56 PM
To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
Subject: Re: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?

On 01/24/2017 09:24 PM, Jan Groth via Chat wrote:
> First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
> thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!
>
> After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
> only natural to compare the two events:
>
> While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
> 2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
> consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
> didn't manage to connect to.
>
> I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
> fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
> of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?

There's nothing official along those lines for LCA 2017.  Some F/OSS
conferences have wound up with ad-hoc speaker feedback on third party
sites (lanyrd maybe?) but I'm not sure if that's happened for LCAs or
not offhand.

>From some previous discussions I've had there's at least a few ways
speaker feedback could potentially be facilitated in future:

- Build a rating thingy into the conference web site, so delegates can
rate talks (delegates have to remember to rate talks).
- Same as above, but with a mobile app.
- Hand out bits of paper at each talk to collect feedback (either "tick
the boxes", or a simpler "dump red/amber/green pieces of paper in a
bucket as a hand-wavey quality metric")

The paper based options probably get more feedback from more people than
the online ones, but are more load on volunteers.

> Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
> worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?
>
> * I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
> mind letting the speaker know about it.
>
> * I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
> and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
> voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.
>
> * Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
> typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
> the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
> / yell out.
>
> If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
> feedback and try to improve for the next time.

Likewise.  I really appreciate feedback when I've been a speaker,
because it helps me in my attempts to improve my presentations.

Cheers,

Tim
_______________________________________________
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Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From tserong at suse.com  Wed Jan 25 19:02:25 2017
From: tserong at suse.com (Tim Serong)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:02:25 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <MEXPR01MB2069E98C5F29B65FA98B4A2BCF740@MEXPR01MB2069.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>
 <MEXPR01MB2069E98C5F29B65FA98B4A2BCF740@MEXPR01MB2069.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e2ac7b61-3d28-9bfc-aca3-250da26b64d1@suse.com>

On 01/25/2017 06:08 PM, Michael Lake wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm generally in favour of a talk rating system but it would not be nice to have a system whereby the rating of all speakers is public knowledge.
> Some speakers would be at the bottom of the barrel. That's good for the organisers to have but not to be made public just out of courtesy.

Good for speakers too.  If my talk sucked, I want to know about it.  But
I take your point about ratings being non-public by default.

> One could though also have a public rating system of the top, say 10 talks.  That way the bottom of that list is still being rated amount the top 10% of all talks.

I like that idea.

> Having a way to have private non-anonymous or anonymous feedback to the speaker, either good or suggestions for improvement, is fraught with ethical problems. It would be good to provide a way for attendees to provide feed back but we can't have a system whereby people can just heap shit on some speaker anonymously. It's a difficult problem to solve.

If it's paper-based, everyone going into a talk gets one bit of paper
(difficult to abuse).  If it's website based, all raters have to be
registered conference attendees, be logged in, and are allowed one
rating per talk (anonymously at rater's request).  In either case, if
someone's going to be an asshole, at least they only get one shot per
talk.  Most of us won't be assholes, so the constructive/positive should
outweigh the nasty.  Worst case, all feedback could be moderated by
conference organisers/volunteers if bad behaviour is seen to be a
significant risk.

Tim

> 
> Mike Lake
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Chat [chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] on behalf of Tim Serong via Chat [chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:56 PM
> To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> Subject: Re: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
> 
> On 01/24/2017 09:24 PM, Jan Groth via Chat wrote:
>> First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
>> thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!
>>
>> After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
>> only natural to compare the two events:
>>
>> While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
>> 2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
>> consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
>> didn't manage to connect to.
>>
>> I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
>> fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
>> of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?
> 
> There's nothing official along those lines for LCA 2017.  Some F/OSS
> conferences have wound up with ad-hoc speaker feedback on third party
> sites (lanyrd maybe?) but I'm not sure if that's happened for LCAs or
> not offhand.
> 
>>From some previous discussions I've had there's at least a few ways
> speaker feedback could potentially be facilitated in future:
> 
> - Build a rating thingy into the conference web site, so delegates can
> rate talks (delegates have to remember to rate talks).
> - Same as above, but with a mobile app.
> - Hand out bits of paper at each talk to collect feedback (either "tick
> the boxes", or a simpler "dump red/amber/green pieces of paper in a
> bucket as a hand-wavey quality metric")
> 
> The paper based options probably get more feedback from more people than
> the online ones, but are more load on volunteers.
> 
>> Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
>> worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?
>>
>> * I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
>> mind letting the speaker know about it.
>>
>> * I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
>> and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
>> voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.
>>
>> * Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
>> typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
>> the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
>> / yell out.
>>
>> If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
>> feedback and try to improve for the next time.
> 
> Likewise.  I really appreciate feedback when I've been a speaker,
> because it helps me in my attempts to improve my presentations.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
> Chat mailing list
> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From mikal at stillhq.com  Wed Jan 25 20:28:49 2017
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:28:49 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <e2ac7b61-3d28-9bfc-aca3-250da26b64d1@suse.com>
References: <CAAuLPk0aDJwPGEvvA1t_GQ_QgvCGnzy5381tn-4ak3ruenOG_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6e8b0158-eb85-e3f1-b18c-974340731f3c@suse.com>
 <MEXPR01MB2069E98C5F29B65FA98B4A2BCF740@MEXPR01MB2069.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
 <e2ac7b61-3d28-9bfc-aca3-250da26b64d1@suse.com>
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All of these ideas are good, but they've also been tried in the past.

One of the issues is that the conference organizers are focussed on a
single year's conference, so they're heads down making that thing happen.
Collecting feedback on talks is really something that _future_ years care
about. However, the conference web site is provided by the current year, so
any work they did on a review system would be diverting resources from the
conference they signed up to deliver. This is especially true for 2017,
where the conference team chose to not use the system previously used for
LCA and build a new one, which diverted a lot of resources from other
things.

That said, the papers chairs do informally collect feedback. If you have
something positive (or negative) to say, I'd encourage you to reach out to
the LCA Papers Chairs at papers-chair at linux.org.au.

Michael




On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Tim Serong via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> On 01/25/2017 06:08 PM, Michael Lake wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'm generally in favour of a talk rating system but it would not be nice
> to have a system whereby the rating of all speakers is public knowledge.
> > Some speakers would be at the bottom of the barrel. That's good for the
> organisers to have but not to be made public just out of courtesy.
>
> Good for speakers too.  If my talk sucked, I want to know about it.  But
> I take your point about ratings being non-public by default.
>
> > One could though also have a public rating system of the top, say 10
> talks.  That way the bottom of that list is still being rated amount the
> top 10% of all talks.
>
> I like that idea.
>
> > Having a way to have private non-anonymous or anonymous feedback to the
> speaker, either good or suggestions for improvement, is fraught with
> ethical problems. It would be good to provide a way for attendees to
> provide feed back but we can't have a system whereby people can just heap
> shit on some speaker anonymously. It's a difficult problem to solve.
>
> If it's paper-based, everyone going into a talk gets one bit of paper
> (difficult to abuse).  If it's website based, all raters have to be
> registered conference attendees, be logged in, and are allowed one
> rating per talk (anonymously at rater's request).  In either case, if
> someone's going to be an asshole, at least they only get one shot per
> talk.  Most of us won't be assholes, so the constructive/positive should
> outweigh the nasty.  Worst case, all feedback could be moderated by
> conference organisers/volunteers if bad behaviour is seen to be a
> significant risk.
>
> Tim
>
> >
> > Mike Lake
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Chat [chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] on behalf of Tim
> Serong via Chat [chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:56 PM
> > To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
> >
> > On 01/24/2017 09:24 PM, Jan Groth via Chat wrote:
> >> First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
> >> thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!
> >>
> >> After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
> >> only natural to compare the two events:
> >>
> >> While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
> >> 2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
> >> consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
> >> didn't manage to connect to.
> >>
> >> I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
> >> fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
> >> of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?
> >
> > There's nothing official along those lines for LCA 2017.  Some F/OSS
> > conferences have wound up with ad-hoc speaker feedback on third party
> > sites (lanyrd maybe?) but I'm not sure if that's happened for LCAs or
> > not offhand.
> >
> >>From some previous discussions I've had there's at least a few ways
> > speaker feedback could potentially be facilitated in future:
> >
> > - Build a rating thingy into the conference web site, so delegates can
> > rate talks (delegates have to remember to rate talks).
> > - Same as above, but with a mobile app.
> > - Hand out bits of paper at each talk to collect feedback (either "tick
> > the boxes", or a simpler "dump red/amber/green pieces of paper in a
> > bucket as a hand-wavey quality metric")
> >
> > The paper based options probably get more feedback from more people than
> > the online ones, but are more load on volunteers.
> >
> >> Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
> >> worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?
> >>
> >> * I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
> >> mind letting the speaker know about it.
> >>
> >> * I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
> >> and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
> >> voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.
> >>
> >> * Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
> >> typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
> >> the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
> >> / yell out.
> >>
> >> If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
> >> feedback and try to improve for the next time.
> >
> > Likewise.  I really appreciate feedback when I've been a speaker,
> > because it helps me in my attempts to improve my presentations.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tim
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From sginnane at yahoo.com.au  Wed Jan 25 20:45:08 2017
From: sginnane at yahoo.com.au (sginnane at yahoo.com.au)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:45:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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Give each attendee a qr code - print it on the pass.Scan it as attendee enters a talk.
Those scanned get to offer a rating, no-one else.Organisers get to decide on what gets made public and what doesn't.
KISS.
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From elvis at dogonfire.com  Wed Jan 25 20:46:36 2017
From: elvis at dogonfire.com (elvis)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:46:36 +1000
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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Really you just need a moderator to take feedback, anonymous or not, and 
give it to the speaker in a form that is useful. Like a report card. 
Filters out nasty comments and other unhelpful feedback.


On 25/01/17 17:08, Michael Lake via Chat wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I'm generally in favour of a talk rating system but it would not be nice to have a system whereby the rating of all speakers is public knowledge.
> Some speakers would be at the bottom of the barrel. That's good for the organisers to have but not to be made public just out of courtesy.
>
> One could though also have a public rating system of the top, say 10 talks.  That way the bottom of that list is still being rated amount the top 10% of all talks.
>
> Having a way to have private non-anonymous or anonymous feedback to the speaker, either good or suggestions for improvement, is fraught with ethical problems. It would be good to provide a way for attendees to provide feed back but we can't have a system whereby people can just heap shit on some speaker anonymously. It's a difficult problem to solve.
>
> Mike Lake
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Chat [chat-bounces at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au] on behalf of Tim Serong via Chat [chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:56 PM
> To: chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> Subject: Re: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
>
> On 01/24/2017 09:24 PM, Jan Groth via Chat wrote:
>> First of all: I had a great time in Hobart and would very much like to
>> thank everyone who participated and contributed to the conference!
>>
>> After Geelong 2016 this was my second Linuxconf, and it's probably
>> only natural to compare the two events:
>>
>> While 2017 certainly was a good conference, I must say that I found
>> 2016 far more relevant for me. That is more talks about topics that I
>> consider interesting and relevant, and fewer talks about topics that I
>> didn't manage to connect to.
>>
>> I'm sure that others have a different perception - which is perfectly
>> fine - but I was wondering if there are channels to collect this kind
>> of feedback (ideally in a more systematic and fine-grained way)?
> There's nothing official along those lines for LCA 2017.  Some F/OSS
> conferences have wound up with ad-hoc speaker feedback on third party
> sites (lanyrd maybe?) but I'm not sure if that's happened for LCAs or
> not offhand.
>
>  From some previous discussions I've had there's at least a few ways
> speaker feedback could potentially be facilitated in future:
>
> - Build a rating thingy into the conference web site, so delegates can
> rate talks (delegates have to remember to rate talks).
> - Same as above, but with a mobile app.
> - Hand out bits of paper at each talk to collect feedback (either "tick
> the boxes", or a simpler "dump red/amber/green pieces of paper in a
> bucket as a hand-wavey quality metric")
>
> The paper based options probably get more feedback from more people than
> the online ones, but are more load on volunteers.
>
>> Taking that idea one step further: For future conferences, would it be
>> worthwhile to collect feedback on a talk / presenter level?
>>
>> * I've seen a few outstanding presentations and certainly wouldn't
>> mind letting the speaker know about it.
>>
>> * I also went to talks where someone presented massive walls of text
>> and simply read out slide after slide after slide in a very monotonous
>> voice. The guy next to me even fell asleep, I'm not making this up.
>>
>> * Sometimes only very small things went wrong, e.g. the presenter
>> typing into the bottom line of a console - which only the people in
>> the front row could see, but everyone else being too polite to mention
>> / yell out.
>>
>> If I was a speaker I would be very happy to receive this kind of
>> feedback and try to improve for the next time.
> Likewise.  I really appreciate feedback when I've been a speaker,
> because it helps me in my attempts to improve my presentations.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
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From marc at merlins.org  Wed Jan 25 21:08:34 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 02:08:34 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:28:49PM +1100, Michael Still via Chat wrote:
> All of these ideas are good, but they've also been tried in the past.
> 
> One of the issues is that the conference organizers are focussed on a
> single year's conference, so they're heads down making that thing happen.

This reminds me of something that could be improved.

Too many talks were submitted, a smaller number was taken. After mine
was rejected, I asked last year and this year if they took backup
speakers in case they ended up with a hole in the schedule.
Both times I was told "no"
This year, there were at least 3 or 4 slots with no talks.
I've heard some other speakers were asked if they could present at the
last minute and they had to decline due to lack of time to prepare.
In the meantime, some of us had a talk that had already been written,
given, ready to deliver, and were told "no thanks, we don't need backup
speakers".

Somehow I think this can be improved :)

Marc
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From mikal at stillhq.com  Wed Jan 25 21:13:32 2017
From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:13:32 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <20170125100834.w35xal25dh456yin@merlins.org>
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The LCA papers process provides the conference organizers with several
lists:

 - a list of papers we think should be accepted
 - a list of papers we think should be reserved for backups (either they
just missed out, or are talks from already accepted speakers)
 - a list of papers to decline

What the conference organizers do with those lists varies from year to
year. Some years chose to tweak the accept list more than others for
example.

So, it is definitely true that the conference organizers have a list of
backup talks, because we give them one. What they chose to do with it is up
to them.

Hope this helps,
Michael





On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:28:49PM +1100, Michael Still via Chat wrote:
> > All of these ideas are good, but they've also been tried in the past.
> >
> > One of the issues is that the conference organizers are focussed on a
> > single year's conference, so they're heads down making that thing happen.
>
> This reminds me of something that could be improved.
>
> Too many talks were submitted, a smaller number was taken. After mine
> was rejected, I asked last year and this year if they took backup
> speakers in case they ended up with a hole in the schedule.
> Both times I was told "no"
> This year, there were at least 3 or 4 slots with no talks.
> I've heard some other speakers were asked if they could present at the
> last minute and they had to decline due to lack of time to prepare.
> In the meantime, some of us had a talk that had already been written,
> given, ready to deliver, and were told "no thanks, we don't need backup
> speakers".
>
> Somehow I think this can be improved :)
>
> Marc
> --
> "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" -
> A.S.R.
> Microsoft is to operating systems ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet
> cooking
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> 1024R/763BE901
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From russell at coker.com.au  Wed Jan 25 23:55:00 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 23:55:00 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <520412168.369796.1485337508522@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Wednesday, 25 January 2017 9:45:08 AM AEDT sginnane--- via Chat wrote:
> Give each attendee a qr code - print it on the pass.Scan it as attendee
> enters a talk. Those scanned get to offer a rating, no-one else.Organisers
> get to decide on what gets made public and what doesn't. KISS.

http://thedailywtf.com/articles/The_Complicator_0x27_s_Gloves

The Daily WTF is a site that everyone should read.

The simplest solution is to just accept that we don't have a voter fraud 
problem.  The incidence of biased or false reports will be small, and they 
will be limited to people who will probably actually attend the talks (IE 
developers of other projects).

If a talk gets multiple reports of a similar problem then it's something that 
can be investigated.  Often problems will be revealed by the video.  Most 
problems with talks aren't THAT difficult to discover.  Things like not 
speaking clearly enough, having slides in fine print that the audience can't 
read, etc.

But LCA isn't a sales/marketing conference.  It's primarily about technology 
and sometimes the people who have the most skills in that area aren't so good 
at presenting.

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From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Thu Jan 26 04:57:58 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 09:57:58 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <20170125100834.w35xal25dh456yin@merlins.org>
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It's worth mentioning that there's more to building a programme than simply taking any talk available. Yes, many talks were submitted and considerably fewer were put on the schedule. While a very large number of those not-accepted talks would have been of high quality, they did not meet other criteria for inclusion in the programme. And, of course, some of the talk submissions were simply just not good.

So when a slot opens in the schedule, the organizers must try to maintain their vision for the programme. They cannot simply drop in the first available talk, even if it is written, practiced, and ready to go.

In this case it worked out very well, I think. The organizers chose to provide an all-day track just for BoFs, of which there were more than enough to fill the available slots and meeting spaces. That sort of community support & building is part of the reason LCA is as great as it is.

--V

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 02:08, Marc MERLIN via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:28:49PM +1100, Michael Still via Chat wrote:
>> All of these ideas are good, but they've also been tried in the past.
>> 
>> One of the issues is that the conference organizers are focussed on a
>> single year's conference, so they're heads down making that thing happen.
> 
> This reminds me of something that could be improved.
> 
> Too many talks were submitted, a smaller number was taken. After mine
> was rejected, I asked last year and this year if they took backup
> speakers in case they ended up with a hole in the schedule.
> Both times I was told "no"
> This year, there were at least 3 or 4 slots with no talks.
> I've heard some other speakers were asked if they could present at the
> last minute and they had to decline due to lack of time to prepare.
> In the meantime, some of us had a talk that had already been written,
> given, ready to deliver, and were told "no thanks, we don't need backup
> speakers".
> 
> Somehow I think this can be improved :)
> 
> Marc
> -- 
> "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
> Microsoft is to operating systems ....
>                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP 1024R/763BE901
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From marc at merlins.org  Thu Jan 26 05:56:13 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:56:13 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 09:57:58AM -0800, VM Brasseur wrote:
> It's worth mentioning that there's more to building a programme than
> simply taking any talk available. Yes, many talks were submitted and
> considerably fewer were put on the schedule. While a very large number
> of those not-accepted talks would have been of high quality, they
> did not meet other criteria for inclusion in the programme. And, of
> course, some of the talk submissions were simply just not good.
 
Of course. As an example, my talk had 2 other talks that were accepted
and were similar in content, so it wouldn't have been the best fit on
that alone. The only reason I gave my example was simply a reply I got
of "we don't need backup speakers" and then multiple slots with no
speakers and no backup speakers to put in them.
With that many talks rejected, I'm sure there were plenty worthwhile
ones that were simply rejected based on lack of slots, some of which
opened later.

Thanks Michael for explaining that you already provide backup speakers.
I'm not sure what went wrong then, or if I missed something.

> So when a slot opens in the schedule, the organizers must try to
> maintain their vision for the programme. They cannot simply drop in
> the first available talk, even if it is written, practiced, and ready
> to go.
 
True, but there were many speakers rejected, I'm sure some of which
would have been good fits for the open slots.
But again, Michael says they did give backup speakers, I think maybe the
problem was that those were speakers who did not do all the work to
write a talk for LCA just in case they get called in at the last minute.
Maybe it would make sense to have backup speakers who already had a talk
written for another conf and can just give it with a day's notice if
need be.

> In this case it worked out very well, I think. The organizers chose to
> provide an all-day track just for BoFs, of which there were more than
> enough to fill the available slots and meeting spaces. That sort of
> community support & building is part of the reason LCA is as great as
> it is.

BOFs are great, but I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing
unless I'm confused. I saw no BOFs in those empty slots, just empty
slots.

Marc
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From linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com  Thu Jan 26 06:04:48 2017
From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:04:48 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
In-Reply-To: <20170125185613.7fsfycftpyr6ykur@merlins.org>
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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:56, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Michael for explaining that you already provide backup speakers.
> I'm not sure what went wrong then, or if I missed something.

Nothing went wrong. Everything functioned as intended. The organizers simply made a decision not to use the backups and to go a different direction. That is their prerogative.
> 
>> In this case it worked out very well, I think. The organizers chose to
>> provide an all-day track just for BoFs, of which there were more than
>> enough to fill the available slots and meeting spaces. That sort of
>> community support & building is part of the reason LCA is as great as
>> it is.
> 
> BOFs are great, but I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing
> unless I'm confused. I saw no BOFs in those empty slots, just empty
> slots.

We are talking about the same thing. There was an entire room left empty on the schedule on Friday, at least partly due to speakers having to withdraw for whatever reason. That room was used for BoFs (which would not have appeared on the schedule) instead of talks.

--V

From marc at merlins.org  Thu Jan 26 06:11:02 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:11:02 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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Not quite what happened. I heard about 1 (or was it 2) speakers that were
asked to fill the empty slots but with too little notice to be able to
write a talk in time.

Marc

On Jan 26, 2017 06:04, "VM Brasseur" <linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com> wrote:

>
> > On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:56, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Michael for explaining that you already provide backup speakers.
> > I'm not sure what went wrong then, or if I missed something.
>
> Nothing went wrong. Everything functioned as intended. The organizers
> simply made a decision not to use the backups and to go a different
> direction. That is their prerogative.
> >
> >> In this case it worked out very well, I think. The organizers chose to
> >> provide an all-day track just for BoFs, of which there were more than
> >> enough to fill the available slots and meeting spaces. That sort of
> >> community support & building is part of the reason LCA is as great as
> >> it is.
> >
> > BOFs are great, but I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing
> > unless I'm confused. I saw no BOFs in those empty slots, just empty
> > slots.
>
> We are talking about the same thing. There was an entire room left empty
> on the schedule on Friday, at least partly due to speakers having to
> withdraw for whatever reason. That room was used for BoFs (which would not
> have appeared on the schedule) instead of talks.
>
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From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:17:52 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 11:11, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
> 
> Not quite what happened. I heard about 1 (or was it 2) speakers that were asked to fill the empty slots but with too little notice to be able to write a talk in time.

And instead the organizers decided to reconfigure so there would be more space available for community activities. An ingenious solution. Everything worked out brilliantly in the end.

--V

From marc at merlins.org  Thu Jan 26 10:01:02 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 15:01:02 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:11:02AM -0800, Marc MERLIN via Chat wrote:
> Not quite what happened. I heard about 1 (or was it 2) speakers that were
> asked to fill the empty slots but with too little notice to be able to
> write a talk in time.

And to be more clear now that I have a real keyboard, I did enjoy the
conference like every year, my comments were simply from the optimizer I
can never stop being :)
While as I already said, my own talk was redundant this year, I'm sure
there were other worthwhile talks that were rejected simply due to lack of
slots, and I was worried that maybe one or more of those could have
filled the empty slots.
As you said, in real life (I don't have the data, you seem to), maybe
there was not a single talk that would have made the cut, and that 
could have been given with little advance notice.
If so, that's life, nothing is perfect :)

(and I'm bummed that I missed the notice that there were BOFs in there
instead, my bad for missing that)

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP 1024R/763BE901

From Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au  Thu Jan 26 14:23:29 2017
From: Mike.Lake at uts.edu.au (Michael Lake)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 03:23:29 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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Russell said something that is very pertinent
> But LCA isn't a sales/marketing conference.  It's primarily about technology
> and sometimes the people who have the most skills in that area aren't so good
> at presenting.

There are so many marvellous things that get presented. We don't want to weed out amazing things presented poorly or boring things presented well, but weeding out the few talks that didn't present content of sufficient merit and was delivered poorly.  Linux Conf is lucky that any feedback about a talk can be checked by a review team against the video of the talk.

Mike
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From p at delfante.it  Thu Jan 26 15:17:15 2017
From: p at delfante.it (Paul Del)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:17:15 +0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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There is a great mix of feedback.

But remember it is a volunteer organised and run conference.
The team do their best to have a range of talks to suite everyone where
possible.

I suggest you send your talk's feedback to papers chair
papers-chair at linux.org.au and Linux Australia council at linux.org.au
they can then pass the information over to the next team for 2017 etc

You can always help out and get involved to make a change.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Marc MERLIN via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:11:02AM -0800, Marc MERLIN via Chat wrote:
> > Not quite what happened. I heard about 1 (or was it 2) speakers that
were
> > asked to fill the empty slots but with too little notice to be able to
> > write a talk in time.
>
> And to be more clear now that I have a real keyboard, I did enjoy the
> conference like every year, my comments were simply from the optimizer I
> can never stop being :)
> While as I already said, my own talk was redundant this year, I'm sure
> there were other worthwhile talks that were rejected simply due to lack of
> slots, and I was worried that maybe one or more of those could have
> filled the empty slots.
> As you said, in real life (I don't have the data, you seem to), maybe
> there was not a single talk that would have made the cut, and that
> could have been given with little advance notice.
> If so, that's life, nothing is perfect :)
>
> (and I'm bummed that I missed the notice that there were BOFs in there
> instead, my bad for missing that)
>
> Marc
> --
> "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" -
A.S.R.
> Microsoft is to operating systems ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet
cooking
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP
1024R/763BE901
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From sellis at redhat.com  Thu Jan 26 16:47:23 2017
From: sellis at redhat.com (Steven Ellis)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:47:23 +1300
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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Just to echo Michael's remarks

For #lca2015 we had
- papers committee accept list
- lca2015 team must have list (90%+ were on list above)
- Backup list (plan B)
- Backup Backup list (plan C)
- Paul McKenney   - It was very hard to choose only one talk so he was a
late slot in for a drop out.

Keeping the whole schedule full is very hard and we lost a number of
speakers we really wanted very late due to personal or work reasons.

Several people on the backup list asked for 4-6 weeks notice so they could
produce content which can make life interesting.

Steven

On 25 January 2017 at 23:13, Michael Still via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> The LCA papers process provides the conference organizers with several
> lists:
>
>  - a list of papers we think should be accepted
>  - a list of papers we think should be reserved for backups (either they
> just missed out, or are talks from already accepted speakers)
>  - a list of papers to decline
>
> What the conference organizers do with those lists varies from year to
> year. Some years chose to tweak the accept list more than others for
> example.
>
> So, it is definitely true that the conference organizers have a list of
> backup talks, because we give them one. What they chose to do with it is up
> to them.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Marc MERLIN <marc at merlins.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:28:49PM +1100, Michael Still via Chat wrote:
>> > All of these ideas are good, but they've also been tried in the past.
>> >
>> > One of the issues is that the conference organizers are focussed on a
>> > single year's conference, so they're heads down making that thing
>> happen.
>>
>> This reminds me of something that could be improved.
>>
>> Too many talks were submitted, a smaller number was taken. After mine
>> was rejected, I asked last year and this year if they took backup
>> speakers in case they ended up with a hole in the schedule.
>> Both times I was told "no"
>> This year, there were at least 3 or 4 slots with no talks.
>> I've heard some other speakers were asked if they could present at the
>> last minute and they had to decline due to lack of time to prepare.
>> In the meantime, some of us had a talk that had already been written,
>> given, ready to deliver, and were told "no thanks, we don't need backup
>> speakers".
>>
>> Somehow I think this can be improved :)
>>
>> Marc
>> --
>> "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" -
>> A.S.R.
>> Microsoft is to operating systems ....
>>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet
>> cooking
>> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP
>> 1024R/763BE901
>>
>
>
>
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>
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From tserong at suse.com  Thu Jan 26 17:03:35 2017
From: tserong at suse.com (Tim Serong)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:03:35 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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Just to reiterate, it's not just papers and subsequent conf teams who
can benefit from this.  It's *really* helpful for speakers to receive
individual (constructive) feedback, even if it's never published, and
never goes to papers/council.

On 01/26/2017 03:17 PM, Paul Del via Chat wrote:
> There is a great mix of feedback.
> 
> But remember it is a volunteer organised and run conference.
> The team do their best to have a range of talks to suite everyone where
> possible.
> 
> I suggest you send your talk's feedback to papers chair
> papers-chair at linux.org.au <mailto:papers-chair at linux.org.au> and Linux
> Australia council at linux.org.au <mailto:council at linux.org.au>
> they can then pass the information over to the next team for 2017 etc
> 
> You can always help out and get involved to make a change.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Marc MERLIN via Chat
> <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au
> <mailto:chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:11:02AM -0800, Marc MERLIN via Chat wrote:
>> > Not quite what happened. I heard about 1 (or was it 2) speakers that
> were
>> > asked to fill the empty slots but with too little notice to be able to
>> > write a talk in time.
>>
>> And to be more clear now that I have a real keyboard, I did enjoy the
>> conference like every year, my comments were simply from the optimizer I
>> can never stop being :)
>> While as I already said, my own talk was redundant this year, I'm sure
>> there were other worthwhile talks that were rejected simply due to lack of
>> slots, and I was worried that maybe one or more of those could have
>> filled the empty slots.
>> As you said, in real life (I don't have the data, you seem to), maybe
>> there was not a single talk that would have made the cut, and that
>> could have been given with little advance notice.
>> If so, that's life, nothing is perfect :)
>>
>> (and I'm bummed that I missed the notice that there were BOFs in there
>> instead, my bad for missing that)
>>
>> Marc
>> --
>> "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" -
> A.S.R.
>> Microsoft is to operating systems ....
>>                                       .... what McDonalds is to
> gourmet cooking
>> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/                         | PGP
> 1024R/763BE901
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chat mailing list
>> Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au <mailto:Chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au>
>> http://lists.lca2017.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/chat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> "When service & support is everything"
> 
> Simplifying Information Technology Systems
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 



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From: linuxconfau at vmbrasseur.com (VM Brasseur)
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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 22:03, Tim Serong via Chat <chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Just to reiterate, it's not just papers and subsequent conf teams who
> can benefit from this.  It's *really* helpful for speakers to receive
> individual (constructive) feedback, even if it's never published, and
> never goes to papers/council.


As a recidivist speaker I can confirm that receiving feedback is the BEST. But I can also confirm that it doesn't really happen.

I had 18 conference presentations in 2016. 5 of them provided feedback mechanisms. I provided my own mechanism for 3 or 4 events. I received a grand total of 1 piece of feedback.

Even when conferences provide this feature, it's difficult to nearly impossible to get audience members to provide feedback. They just don't do it. They, understandably, have other concerns (conferencing). Anecdotally, the immediate in-person fill-in-the-card method receives a good response rate while all other methods are next to zero for response rate.

I've reached a point where it's just not worth it to me, as a speaker, to use any online feedback mechanism, either my own or provided by the conference. I'll certainly pay attention to the very few responses which dribble in, but I no longer expect any to appear. Instead, the first thing I say to anyone who thanks me for my talk is something along the lines of, "OMG, thank you for being there! How can I make the talk better?" This has been more effective for me than any online feedback mechanism.

Were a conference to attempt the immediate in-person fill-in-the-card method, I would be intensely interested in participating. But it's a lot of work on top of the already massive amount of work of organizing a conference, so I'm not about to suggest or expect a conference to do this.

tl;dr: Great idea & I support it, but experience shows it doesn't work.

--V

From russell at coker.com.au  Thu Jan 26 18:20:36 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:20:36 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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On Thursday, 26 January 2017 6:47:23 PM AEDT Steven Ellis via Chat wrote:
> Keeping the whole schedule full is very hard and we lost a number of
> speakers we really wanted very late due to personal or work reasons.

I have attended many conferences, but no other conference (with the possible 
exception of OLS) has as many talks.  I don't think it matters if you don't 
fill the holes in the schedule if there are some last minute cancellations.  
There are still more than 4* as many talks as anyone can attend.

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From marc at merlins.org  Fri Jan 27 03:09:37 2017
From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:09:37 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Collecting general feedback about the conference?
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 06:20:36PM +1100, Russell Coker via Chat wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 January 2017 6:47:23 PM AEDT Steven Ellis via Chat wrote:
> > Keeping the whole schedule full is very hard and we lost a number of
> > speakers we really wanted very late due to personal or work reasons.
> 
> I have attended many conferences, but no other conference (with the possible 
> exception of OLS) has as many talks.  I don't think it matters if you don't 

There are confs with more talks, even the recent linuxcons have had more
tracks and more talks (however, some were specialized tracks), but I'll
also say right away that pretty much every time you get more talks, the
quality goes down.

In my opinion the very best part of LCA is that the talks get recorded,
so that if you miss some good ones, it's easy to catch up when you go
home.
Actually I'll go one step further: I have not gone to any linux
conference that records all its talks like LCA has done for ages now
(even back when it was a real pain with media on tape, digitizing later,
and so forth, including hours and hours of heroic efforts from
volunteers, sometimes weeks after the conf was over)

Marc
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From ryan.verner at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 15:31:42 2017
From: ryan.verner at gmail.com (Ryan Verner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 15:31:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Video Update
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Hi all,

The videos are all up on YouTube now, but we're waiting on a machine that's
still in transit so we can finish the WebM encodes + get it up to the LA
mirror.  I'll shoot out another email once that's done.

R

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Ryan Verner <ryan.verner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some people have asked me where the videos are going up:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/user/linuxconfau2017
>
> http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2017/
>
> Each video as it hits YouTube is tweeted by @nextdayvideo with the tag
> #lca2017
>
> If you're planning on downloading all of them, would encourage you to wait
> until they're all finished - some of the existing videos will be replaced
> with new edits.
>
>
>
> On 21 Jan 2017 13:14, "Ryan Verner" <ryan.verner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Most of the videos are done, but as we're about to pack up the van to
>> head back on the ferry the remaining videos + fixing any existing videos
>> will likely be held up until later in the week.
>>
>> There's a bunch of WebM (vp8+theora) encodes now up on the LA mirror.
>>
>> Feedback is good if you spot a video with issues (email me directly),
>> we're aware of a few talks that have incorrect edits which we'll resolve
>> and re-upload.
>>
>> I will send an email to this list once everything is finished with info.
>>
>> R
>>
>>
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From clinton.roy at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 17:08:34 2017
From: clinton.roy at gmail.com (Clinton Roy)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 06:08:34 +0000
Subject: [Chat] Hacker Public Radio recordings
Message-ID: <CALGYmurLjHhGJMYE1XmMNMUKW3mu29o-T9FuXqqyD0ehSU5eQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

during the conference I was allowed to record a bunch of interviews (thanks
organisers!) for the community run, open source friendly podcast HPR.

I've now finished publishing all these recordings and they can be found at:
http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=315

They are available now for listening, but will be airing in the podcast
stream from the fifteenth of February.

I would like to thank every one of my interviewees for their time and
patience, I hope they got something out of the experience.

I'm keen for feedback on any dimension of the interviews. Hacker Public
Radio is always keen for more stories, maybe think about recording a talk
or a discussion at your local user group and upload it :)

I have very vague plans for doing more interviews at pycon.au (and pycon.nz
?)

thanks all,
-- 
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From alastair at d-silva.org  Mon Jan 30 08:58:11 2017
From: alastair at d-silva.org (Alastair D'Silva)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:58:11 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
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Hi folks,

I've set up a forum for workshop participants to ask for help and share their projects here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/esp8266-mqtt-workshop

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From karl at kgoetz.id.au  Mon Jan 30 22:06:42 2017
From: karl at kgoetz.id.au (Karl Goetz)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:06:42 +1100
Subject: [Chat] Automate your home with MQTT (Workshop)
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On 30/1/17 08:58, Alastair D'Silva via Chat wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've set up a forum for workshop participants to ask for help and share their projects here:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/esp8266-mqtt-workshop
> 

Thanks Alastair!
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From mithro at mithis.com  Tue Jan 31 06:16:54 2017
From: mithro at mithis.com (Tim Ansell)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 11:16:54 -0800
Subject: [Chat] Video Update
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Just a random statistics for people interested;

 - Since the videos have been uploaded (so in less than 2 weeks) - Roughly
~70k people have viewed 694,889 minutes of video (on YouTube) -- that is 1
year, 117 days!
 - The top most viewed video from LCA is currently "My personal fight
against the modern laptop" by Hamish Coleman -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzmm87oVQ6c

Tim 'mithro' Ansell

On 28 January 2017 at 20:31, Ryan Verner via Chat <
chat at lists.lca2017.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The videos are all up on YouTube now, but we're waiting on a machine
> that's still in transit so we can finish the WebM encodes + get it up to
> the LA mirror.  I'll shoot out another email once that's done.
>
> R
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Ryan Verner <ryan.verner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some people have asked me where the videos are going up:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/user/linuxconfau2017
>>
>> http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2017/
>>
>> Each video as it hits YouTube is tweeted by @nextdayvideo with the tag
>> #lca2017
>>
>> If you're planning on downloading all of them, would encourage you to
>> wait until they're all finished - some of the existing videos will be
>> replaced with new edits.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 Jan 2017 13:14, "Ryan Verner" <ryan.verner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Most of the videos are done, but as we're about to pack up the van to
>>> head back on the ferry the remaining videos + fixing any existing videos
>>> will likely be held up until later in the week.
>>>
>>> There's a bunch of WebM (vp8+theora) encodes now up on the LA mirror.
>>>
>>> Feedback is good if you spot a video with issues (email me directly),
>>> we're aware of a few talks that have incorrect edits which we'll resolve
>>> and re-upload.
>>>
>>> I will send an email to this list once everything is finished with info.
>>>
>>> R
>>>
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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